Top 25 discussion

[Roundball999]

What's the link for Massey D3 women's basketball? I've seen it for the men but not a way to get to the women's rankings.

https://masseyratings.com/cbw/ncaa-d3/ratings

[scottiedawg]

Click on the Massey logo.

[ronk]

Thanks - I finally got there.

[Jester1390]

Thanks cnu

[saratoga]

I fully agree that if games are cancelled a team may stay in the same spot if teams around them are losing but they should also be dropped if teams around them are winning.
However, moving teams up when they haven't played in nearly a month???
That's just lazy.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I fully agree that if games are cancelled a team may stay in the same spot if teams around them are losing but they should also be dropped if teams around them are winning.
However, moving teams up when they haven't played in nearly a month???
That's just lazy.

I don't use my previous ballot when filling out the new one. I try to start from scratch as much as possible, so I'm not beholden to my previous ideas. I don't know, from week to week, if I've moved a team up or down, unless I go back to check.

Not saying every voter works that way, but some do.

[scottiedawg]

I don't use my previous ballot when filling out the new one. I try to start from scratch as much as possible, so I'm not beholden to my previous ideas. I don't know, from week to week, if I've moved a team up or down, unless I go back to check.

Not saying every voter works that way, but some do.

That is a WONDERFUL way to do it. Takes a lot more work for sure. Kudos to you for doing that work and not being biased by what you thought last week!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I don't use my previous ballot when filling out the new one. I try to start from scratch as much as possible, so I'm not beholden to my previous ideas. I don't know, from week to week, if I've moved a team up or down, unless I go back to check.

Not saying every voter works that way, but some do.

That is a WONDERFUL way to do it. Takes a lot more work for sure. Kudos to you for doing that work and not being biased by what you thought last week!

If there are only a handful of losses, I'll probably just adjust last week's ballot, but before mid January, we don't actually know how good a win or loss really is, and those values change from week to week until we understand how good teams actually are. There's always a team that doesn't live up to expectations, so early wins over them look better than they do towards the end of the season. (And vice versa for surprisingly successful teams. )

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Once again, COVID dominates this mid-week report, with 17 cancelled or postponed games so far (with quite a few more among those scheduled for the rest of the week), plus two results listed here as 2-0 forfeit wins.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	11-0	01/05 at Alma canc/ppd; 01/06 vs. Illinois College; 01/08 vs. Olivet
#2	570	Christopher Newport	13-0	01/04 at Mary Baldwin canc/ppd; 01/08 at St. Joseph's (Bklyn.); 01/09 at Pratt
#3	563	Amherst	7-0	01/07 vs. Middlebury; 01/08 vs. Williams
#4	514	Transylvania	11-0	01/05 vs. Earlham canc/ppd; 01/08 vs. Defiance
#5	490	Whitman	10-1	01/07 vs. Linfield; 01/08 vs. Pacific
#6	484	Simpson	12-1	def. Buena Vista, 86-38; 01/08 at Luther
#7	469	Trine	10-2	01/08 at St. Mary's (Ind.)
#8	436	UW-Whitewater	12-1	def. #18 UW-Oshkosh, 67-63 OT; 01/08 vs. #10 UW-Eau Claire
#9	432	Tufts	8-1	01/05 vs. #28 Smith canc/ppd; 01/07 at Wesleyan; 01/09 at Babson
#10	369	UW-Eau Claire	11-2	01/05 at UW-Platteville canc/ppd; 01/08 at #8 UW-Whitewater
#11	348	New York University	9-0	01/08 at Brandeis
#12	336	John Carroll	9-2	def. Heidelberg, 2-0; 01/08 at Ohio Northern
#13	253	Bowdoin	10-2	01/07 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/08 vs. Connecticut College
#14	241	Wartburg	9-2	def. Central, 58-35; 01/08 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan
#15	237	East Texas Baptist	9-2	01/03 vs. Belhaven canc/ppd; 01/08 at University of the Ozarks
#16	234	DePauw	11-2	01/08 at Allegheny; 01/09 at Hiram
#17	210	Baldwin Wallace	8-2	def. Mount Union, 70-57; 01/08 vs. Muskingum
#18	174	UW-Oshkosh	11-3	LOST at #8 UW-Whitewater, 63-67 OT; 01/08 vs. UW-River Falls
#19	157	St. John Fisher	9-0	def. Alfred, 69-58; 01/07 at Sage; 01/08 at Hartwick
#20	139	Springfield	12-0	01/08 vs. #28 Smith
#21	138	Hardin-Simmons	9-2	01/06 vs. LeTourneau; 01/08 vs. #23 Texas-Dallas; 01/08 vs. McMurry
#22	88	Mary Washington	13-1	def. (n) Widener, 64-61
#23	82	Texas-Dallas	6-3	01/03 vs. Austin canc/ppd; 01/06 at McMurry; 01/08 at #21 Hardin-Simmons
#24	77	Marietta	11-1	def. Muskingum, 94-72; 01/08 vs. Wilmington
#25	75	Wisconsin Lutheran	8-0	01/04 at MSOE canc/ppd; 01/08 vs. Rockford

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	60	Gettysburg	7-2	01/04 at T#30 Catholic canc/ppd; 01/08 vs. Bryn Mawr
#27	55	Wheaton (Ill.)	10-3	LOST to North Park, 71-82
#28	52	Smith	9-1	01/05 at #9 Tufts canc/ppd; 01/08 at #20 Springfield
#29	45	Messiah	10-2	def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-48; 01/05 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg canc/ppd; 01/08 vs. Alvernia
T#30	29	Catholic	9-1	01/04 vs. #26 Gettysburg canc/ppd; 01/08 at Susquehanna
T#30	29	Mary Hardin-Baylor	9-2	def. Concordia (Texas), 66-59; 01/06 vs. Sul Ross State; 01/08 vs. Howard Payne
T#30	29	Trinity (Texas)	8-2	01/07 vs. University of Dallas; 01/08 vs. Texas Lutheran
#33	20	Roger Williams	8-0	01/04 vs. Gordon canc/ppd; 01/06 at Western New England; 01/08 at Nichols
#34	18	Bates	7-3	01/06 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 01/09 at Wesleyan
#35	16	Scranton	8-2	01/08 vs. Juniata
#36	11	UC Santa Cruz	8-2	01/05 vs. Pomona-Pitzer canc/ppd; 01/08 at Lincoln (CA)
T#37	6	Roanoke	9-2	01/05 at Bridgewater (Va.) canc/ppd; 01/08 at Randolph
T#37	6	St. Lawrence	9-0	01/04 at Cortland canc/ppd; 01/07 at Bard; 01/08 at Vassar
#39	5	Augsburg	7-3	def. St. Catherine, 2-0; 01/08 vs. Macalester
#40	2	Puget Sound	9-1	01/07 vs. Willamette; 01/08 vs. Lewis and Clark
#41	1	Drew	10-0	01/03 vs. Kean canc/ppd

[Flying Dutch Fan]

FYI - the 01/06 contest between Hope and Illinois College has also been postponed

[Darryl Nester]

FYI - the 01/06 contest between Hope and Illinois College has also been postponed

Thanks. I saw that on Hope's schedule, but decided I was not going to edit the results to include that - because if I did, I would feel obliged to do that for all of the other schools!

When my program finds a missing score from a game that should be completed, it prompts me for an action (enter a missing score, delete the game, mark as cancelled/postponed, flag for follow-up, etc.) With a total of 24 such prompts on this run, I just defaulted to the same action (cancelled/postponed) for everything. To save time, I might have to modify my program to auto-detect those.

[Jester1390]

In the Transylvania vs earlham. It's not postponed it's a 1-0 victory for Transy

[Flying Dutch Fan]

FYI - the 01/06 contest between Hope and Illinois College has also been postponed

Thanks. I saw that on Hope's schedule, but decided I was not going to edit the results to include that - because if I did, I would feel obliged to do that for all of the other schools!

When my program finds a missing score from a game that should be completed, it prompts me for an action (enter a missing score, delete the game, mark as cancelled/postponed, flag for follow-up, etc.) With a total of 24 such prompts on this run, I just defaulted to the same action (cancelled/postponed) for everything. To save time, I might have to modify my program to auto-detect those.

Darryl - totally makes sense and thanks for all you do!!!

[Darryl Nester]

In the Transylvania vs earlham. It's not postponed it's a 1-0 victory for Transy

My program copies what's in the d3hoops database. If it gets updated there, it'll automatically transfer to my report. Ordinarily, I check on the details of any missing score, but I don't have time to do that these days; there are too many postponements/cancellations, and (it seems) a variety of policies about forfeiting vs. rescheduling.

In any case, as far as the voters are concerned, I would assume that they don't care much either way, beyond "the game never happened." (Although I could imagine that they might consider a loss by forfeit to be reason to drop a team in the standings, for the same reason they might drop a team because of an injury to a key player.)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

We don't have a great way, in the database, for recording a game in conference standings that doesn't actually count for NCAA selection.  We're still working out the best way to do that.  Also, unless the schools are fixing their schedules in our system (which they all have the ability to do), or we happen to catch it, we're going to be missing a lot of postponed games.

Typically, when the first regional rankings come out, we get the list of all official records for all schools and then we can match them up with what we have and make corrections (or suggest corrections to the NCAA).  This year is just going to be a bit of a mess, in terms of getting correct info in a timely manner.

If a postponed game has a makeup date, we usually catch those.  If it's a TBA situation, that's a lot tougher.  Hopefully we'll be past the Omicron surge by regional ranking time and we can all get on the same page.