Top 25 discussion

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	16-1	LOST to #4 Trine, 62-70; 01/29 at #33 Albion
#2	592	Christopher Newport	16-0	01/29 vs. #34 Mary Washington
#3	558	Transylvania	15-0	def. Manchester, 64-36; 01/29 vs. Bluffton
#4	535	Trine	14-2	won at #1 Hope, 70-62; 01/29 at Olivet
#5	530	Simpson	16-1	def. Loras, 81-74; 01/29 at #12 Wartburg
#6	493	Whitman	17-1	def. Whitworth, 69-63; 01/29 vs. Willamette
#7	477	New York University	14-0	01/28 at Rochester; 01/30 at Emory
#8	420	Tufts	13-2	01/28 vs. #21 Bowdoin; 01/29 vs. Colby
#9	414	UW-Whitewater	17-2	def. UW-Stevens Point, 74-69 2OT; 01/30 vs. Lake Forest
#10	367	John Carroll	14-2	def. Mount Union, 77-50; 01/29 at Capital
#11	346	Amherst	11-2	won at Babson, 58-41; 01/28 vs. Wesleyan; 01/30 at Misericordia
#12	317	Wartburg	14-3	LOST to Dubuque, 62-68 OT; 01/29 vs. #5 Simpson
#13	296	DePauw	14-2	01/26 at Wittenberg postponed; 01/29 at Kenyon; 01/30 at Allegheny
#14	279	Baldwin Wallace	12-3	def. Heidelberg, 66-42; 01/29 at #19 Marietta
#15	278	Springfield	16-1	LOST at MIT, 72-76; 01/29 at Babson
#16	194	UW-Eau Claire	15-5	won at UW-Platteville, 65-56; LOST at T#41 UW-Oshkosh, 53-60
#17	193	Wisconsin Lutheran	14-0	won at Alverno, 74-30; 01/29 at Rockford
#18	190	East Texas Baptist	12-3	01/27 at LeTourneau; 01/29 vs. #29 Texas-Dallas
#19	148	Marietta	16-2	def. Otterbein, 70-55; 01/29 vs. #14 Baldwin Wallace
#20	139	Mary Hardin-Baylor	14-2	01/27 vs. #22 Hardin-Simmons; 01/29 vs. McMurry
#21	128	Bowdoin	14-3	01/28 at #8 Tufts; 01/29 at #31 Bates
#22	95	Hardin-Simmons	12-3	01/27 at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/29 at Concordia (Texas)
#23	94	St. John Fisher	14-2	LOST at Ithaca, 54-76; 01/28 at Keuka; 01/29 vs. Nazareth
#24	58	Messiah	15-2	won at Albright, 61-49; 01/29 at York (Pa.)
#25	52	Catholic	14-1	won at Goucher, 66-44; 01/29 vs. Susquehanna

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Trinity (Texas)	15-2	won at Southwestern, 80-56; 01/29 at Texas Lutheran
#27	42	Smith	13-1	def. Hamilton, 67-34; 01/27 at #32 Roger Williams; 01/29 vs. Mount Holyoke
#28	35	Scranton	16-2	def. Drew, 69-62; 01/29 at Juniata
#29	31	Texas-Dallas	9-3	01/27 at Belhaven; 01/29 at #18 East Texas Baptist
#30	22	Gettysburg	12-2	01/27 at Bryn Mawr; 01/29 vs. Muhlenberg
#31	21	Bates	11-4	01/25 vs. New England College canceled; 01/28 vs. Colby; 01/29 vs. #21 Bowdoin
#32	20	Roger Williams	16-0	def. Nichols, 89-52; 01/27 vs. #27 Smith; 01/29 at Curry
#33	17	Albion	15-4	won at Olivet, 76-41; 01/29 vs. #1 Hope
#34	16	Mary Washington	14-4	LOST at Stevenson, 60-62; 01/29 at #2 Christopher Newport
#35	15	Carroll	13-4	LOST to Augustana, 58-67; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 57-47; 01/29 at Augustana
#36	14	Augsburg	13-3	def. Bethel, 67-57; 01/29 at Carleton
T#37	5	Gustavus Adolphus	12-3	won at St. Olaf, 56-46; 01/29 at Macalester
T#37	5	WPI	14-2	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 66-48; 01/29 vs. Emerson
T#39	4	Puget Sound	14-2	01/28 at George Fox; 01/29 at Linfield
T#39	4	UC Santa Cruz	9-2	01/25 at Pacific Union postponed; 01/29 at Chapman; 01/30 at Westcliff
T#41	3	Ohio Northern	12-4	def. Wilmington, 59-41; 01/29 at Mount Union
T#41	3	UW-Oshkosh	13-4	def. #16 UW-Eau Claire, 60-53; 01/29 vs. UW-River Falls
T#43	1	Calvin	13-5	won at Adrian, 73-40
T#43	1	Redlands	12-3	won at Occidental, 83-77; 01/29 vs. Pomona-Pitzer

[hopefan]

ok ok ok....I know the SLIAC is in the bottom 20% of D3 women's basketball (heck maybe lower than that).. but it sure would be nice if the Webster ladies, at13-0, could garner 1 solitary vote for the Top 25..... they have a real shot at finishing the regular season undefeated (though Westminster and Fontbonne games could be very competitive).   A shame they didn't schedule Wash U this year allowing us to see how they would compete against an upper echelon team.

Don't get me wrong... I totally understand.... but 1 vote of recognition would be nice....

[gordonmann]

They only get a vote if one of voters thinks they are one of the best Top 25 teams in the country. The Top 25 doesn't have an honorable mention category.

Which of the Top 25 teams would you pick Webster to beat?

[Baldini]

They only get a vote if one of voters thinks they are one of the best Top 25 teams in the country. The Top 25 doesn't have an honorable mention category.

Which of the Top 25 teams would you pick Webster to beat?

This morning Massey has Webster at #47, which is ahead of some ranked teams.

Catholic is #50
Bates is #53
Wisconsin Lutheran is #54
Hardin-Simmons is #58
Mary Hardin-Baylor is #62
St. John Fisher is #63
Mary Washington is #67

I have never seen Webster play, but they appear to deserve a deeper look in the coming weeks.

Edit: On the flipside, their best win is against a 10-9 Augustana team. So, there is that little issue.   

[Pat Coleman]

On the flipside, their best win is against a 10-9 Augustana team. So, there is that little issue.   

That was what stopped me when I was looking at a Top 25 ballot recently. Augie is currently tied for seventh in the CCIW. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Today on Hoopsville - we are once again hitting the air at 1:00 PM ET.



We will try and due justice to the crazy night that was in DIII basketball. We will look back at the results from Wednesday night in men's and women's play.

Plus we continue to chat with some teams that are flying a bit under the radar. Guests include:

• Dan Roiger, St. Lawrence women's coach
• Mike Miller, No. 24 Messiah women's coach
• Kyle Brumett, Wabash men's coach
• Damion Jablonski, No. 16 Whitworth men's coach
• Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Scott Peterson and Riley Zayas

Tune into the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan27 - an On Demand version and a podcast are available after the show gets off the air.

[scottiedawg]

Of the now 51 teams I am tracking in a semi-detailed way, Webster's SOS is the worst. And not just that, it's 10% worse than the next worst.

Only 10 games against D3 opponents. As has been said, Augustana is their best win.

Terrific Point and Turnover Diffs, but assuming that's largely due to the level of competition.

I don't think I'd consider them for a top 25 vote, even if they run the tables in their remaining 8 games.

[gordonmann]

Any thoughts on who should be No. 1 following Hope's loss?

Do you still believe in a place called Hope? Does CNU move up? Does Trine leapfrog a couple teams?

Or maybe the answer is easy.

(That's a joke).

[scottiedawg]

If we're using the "eye-test" + "who does Scott think would win H2H" + being more predictive, I still think Hope is #1. I'd slot Trine, UWW, CNU next.

If we're looking at resumes/the past, I think Trine slots in 1st, followed by Hope, CNU, and maaaaaybe UWW.


I think Morehouse will go to school on the Trine loss gametape. Trine did some really interesting things:
* First couple of possessions they denied easy passes up top, which disrupted Hope's flow initially. Voskuil did not get her usual early-game touches.
* Hope heavily denied Tara B in the 1st matchup. They did a much worse job of that in the 2nd matchup.
* Trine exploited Hope's aggressive help defense from the weak side. Hope's usually so superior talent and athleticism wise, that the aggressive weak side help usually ends the possession, either by missed tough shot or turnover. Trine was able to swing the ball to an open shooter AND knock it down. I imagine future strong opponents against Hope will attempt the same thing.
* Trine also was ready to exploit Hope's steal attempts by going to backdoor passes. Savvy.
* Trine was strong with the ball (aside from their freshmen PG). Hope looks different when they're not getting fast-break points and offensive boards and have to execute in the half-court against a team that's dug in defensively.

[CNU85]

If I was a voter, I'd still have Hope #1. Then Trine at #2.

[CNU85]

CNU game on Feb 5th vs Mount Mary has been cancelled. CNU will visit Wheaton (Ill) on that day and follow up the next day at Finlandia as previously scheduled.

[Roundball999]

Posted this in response to a similar question elsewhere:

Lots of valid debate on the boards recently about the pros and cons of Massey, but fwiw after last night's games Massey still has Hope rated #1 by a wide margin, Trine at #2 also by a pretty wide margin and CNU at #3 leading a fairly tightly packed group below

4.77     Hope
3.94     Trine
3.50     CNU
3.47     UWW
3.33     Simpson
3.27     NYU

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

I believe they are flying into Green Bay and then going to Wheaton.  This will be a tough game for CNU.  I think Wheaton is better than Mary Washington & Salisbury who both gave good games to CNU.  Then the crazy long drive for the women (6+ hours) to Finlandia.  I pray no snow.  Wheaton >> Mount Mary as replacement opponent and helps SOS.

CNU game on Feb 5th vs Mount Mary has been cancelled. CNU will visit Wheaton (Ill) on that day and follow up the next day at Finlandia as previously scheduled.

[scottiedawg]

Bowdoin yikes.

[deiscanton]

Rochester leading #7 NYU 48-46 with 3:35 left in regulation at the Palestra in Rochester, NY.

9:21 PM Eastern update-- Rochester defeats NYU, 57-53, handing NYU their first loss of the season.  The 53 points scored is a season low for NYU.