Top 25 discussion

[scottiedawg]

Whew that is NOT a loss I would ding NYU that much for.  On the road, in the conference, versus a very solid opponent, very narrow loss.

I would not want to face NYU in the tourney.

I currently have NYU 5th, and I'd probably drop them below my 6-8. Simpson IA, Whitman, Transylvania. (because of how tightly grouped I view all of them)

But personally I'd keep them ahead of: DePauw, John Carroll, Marietta, Tufts.

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

CNU should have replace mount mary game with UWW.  They  are in the area ....

[Pat Coleman]

UWW has 25 games scheduled and is playing on Sunday.

[hopefan]

I just noticed the slight conversation that followed my Comment (plea?) regarding Webster.... like I Said, I get it...but I'm hoping that light conversation gave some player , or parent, or Webster admin, a little lift for the day.   I'm sure a little recognition on this site is very much appreciated!!

[gordonmann]

Understood. I've been working them into the Saturday recaps more because I do want to recognize what they are doing. It's a magical season for the Gorlocks.

[Baldini]

Understood. I've been working them into the Saturday recaps more because I do want to recognize what they are doing. It's a magical season for the Gorlocks.

I believe they are one of only 4 unbeatens left. Am I missing anyone?

[scottiedawg]

I think just Christopher Newport, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Webster at this point?

[Baldini]

I think just Christopher Newport, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Webster at this point?

And Transylvania.

[scottiedawg]

I think just Christopher Newport, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Webster at this point?

And Transylvania.

ah right right

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

(Amherst/Misericordia is not yet final, but I feel like a 30-point lead with 4 minutes left is pretty safe.)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	17-1	LOST to #4 Trine, 62-70; won at #33 Albion, 51-38
#2	592	Christopher Newport	17-0	def. #34 Mary Washington, 72-50
#3	558	Transylvania	16-0	def. Manchester, 64-36; def. Bluffton, 63-36
#4	535	Trine	15-2	won at #1 Hope, 70-62; won at Olivet, 76-33
#5	530	Simpson	17-1	def. Loras, 81-74; won at #12 Wartburg, 78-73 OT
#6	493	Whitman	18-1	def. Whitworth, 69-63; def. Willamette, 67-61
#7	477	New York University	15-1	LOST at Rochester, 53-57; won at Emory, 77-44
#8	420	Tufts	15-2	def. #21 Bowdoin, 69-47; def. Colby, 89-75
#9	414	UW-Whitewater	18-2	def. UW-Stevens Point, 74-69 2OT; def. Lake Forest, 99-49
#10	367	John Carroll	15-2	def. Mount Union, 77-50; won at Capital, 74-41
#11	346	Amherst	13-2	won at Babson, 58-41; def. Wesleyan, 61-54; won at Misericordia, 64-34*
#12	317	Wartburg	14-4	LOST to Dubuque, 62-68 OT; LOST to #5 Simpson, 73-78 OT
#13	296	DePauw	16-2	01/26 at Wittenberg postponed; won at Kenyon, 78-51; won at Allegheny, 76-41
#14	279	Baldwin Wallace	13-3	def. Heidelberg, 66-42; won at #19 Marietta, 74-48
#15	278	Springfield	16-2	LOST at MIT, 72-76; LOST at Babson, 51-56
#16	194	UW-Eau Claire	15-5	won at UW-Platteville, 65-56; LOST at T#41 UW-Oshkosh, 53-60
#17	193	Wisconsin Lutheran	15-0	won at Alverno, 74-30; won at Rockford, 70-39
#18	190	East Texas Baptist	14-3	won at LeTourneau, 72-59; def. #29 Texas-Dallas, 61-47
#19	148	Marietta	16-3	def. Otterbein, 70-55; LOST to #14 Baldwin Wallace, 48-74
#20	139	Mary Hardin-Baylor	16-2	def. #22 Hardin-Simmons, 74-72; def. McMurry, 72-48
#21	128	Bowdoin	14-4	LOST at #8 Tufts, 47-69
#22	95	Hardin-Simmons	13-4	LOST at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-74; won at Concordia (Texas), 84-56
#23	94	St. John Fisher	16-2	LOST at Ithaca, 54-76; won at Keuka, 61-36; def. Nazareth, 78-73
#24	58	Messiah	16-2	won at Albright, 61-49; won at York (Pa.), 74-49
#25	52	Catholic	15-1	won at Goucher, 66-44; def. Susquehanna, 64-39

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Trinity (Texas)	16-2	won at Southwestern, 80-56; won at Texas Lutheran, 69-56
#27	42	Smith	15-1	def. Hamilton, 67-34; won at #32 Roger Williams, 67-63; def. Mount Holyoke, 85-27
#28	35	Scranton	17-2	def. Drew, 69-62; won at Juniata, 59-29
#29	31	Texas-Dallas	10-4	won at Belhaven, 65-57; LOST at #18 East Texas Baptist, 47-61
#30	22	Gettysburg	14-2	won at Bryn Mawr, 73-34; def. Muhlenberg, 68-35
#31	21	Bates	11-4	01/25 vs. New England College canceled
#32	20	Roger Williams	16-1	def. Nichols, 89-52; LOST to #27 Smith, 63-67
#33	17	Albion	15-5	won at Olivet, 76-41; LOST to #1 Hope, 38-51
#34	16	Mary Washington	14-5	LOST at Stevenson, 60-62; LOST at #2 Christopher Newport, 50-72
#35	15	Carroll	13-5	LOST to Augustana, 58-67; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 57-47; LOST at Augustana, 56-67
#36	14	Augsburg	13-4	def. Bethel, 67-57; LOST at Carleton, 49-59
T#37	5	Gustavus Adolphus	13-3	won at St. Olaf, 56-46; won at Macalester, 70-41
T#37	5	WPI	15-2	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 66-48; def. Emerson, 76-46
T#39	4	Puget Sound	15-3	LOST at George Fox, 49-72; won at Linfield, 81-50
T#39	4	UC Santa Cruz	12-2	01/25 at Pacific Union postponed; won at Chapman, 96-76; won at Westcliff, 63-54
T#41	3	Ohio Northern	13-4	def. Wilmington, 59-41; won at Mount Union, 66-54
T#41	3	UW-Oshkosh	14-4	def. #16 UW-Eau Claire, 60-53; def. UW-River Falls, 79-42
T#43	1	Calvin	13-5	won at Adrian, 73-40
T#43	1	Redlands	13-3	won at Occidental, 83-77; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 66-53

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[scottiedawg]

I expect we'll see slides for these teams in the polls:
Mary Washington: 2 more losses. Have now lost 4 of their last 5 (albeit 2 to CNU). Loss @ Stevenson is not a good one. They could lose all votes.
Carroll: 2 losses to Augustana
Wartburg: 2 losses, both in OT, but both at home. Currently #12 with 317 votes, they could be the biggest vote decliner this week.
Springfield: or maybe it'll be Springfield. 2 road losses to decent teams, but I'd say these two losses are worse in sum than Wartburg's 2. Revised: I think Springfield will be the biggest vote decliner this week.
Puget Sound: They'd been trending up but I think the loss @ George Fox will remove a vote or 2, maybe all 4.
Augsburg: loss at Carleton is a bad one. Could be enough to remove the bulk of their votes.

And the potential risers!:
Trine with the massive win. They don't have much room to climb, but I expect them to add to their vote total.
CNU: took care of business against MWU. Will get a small bump I bet.
Amherst: polarizing team with a 3-win week, including a road win against a very solid Babson team.
Smith: my biggest sleeper right now. Win @ Roger Williams. Lone loss is a while ago. They could jump up near #20.
Simpson: Wins vs Loras and @ Wartburg are mighty impressive. Teams are tightly grouped in the top 5, but not sure how you keep Simpson below Transylvania anymore.
Baldwin-Wallace: dominant win @ Marietta

Some of the biggest deviations in the current poll from my amatuer/unofficial one:
I don't have any of these teams in my top 25:
Hardin-Simmons
Wartburg
Bowdoin
St. John Fisher
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Catholic

I don't think these teams should be receiving any top 25 votes: (quibbling over small potatoes here)
UT Dallas
Mary Washington
Augsburg
Albion
Calvin
Bates
Ohio Northern
WPI

Not sure what to do with Marietta. Their resume is strong. They pass the eye test. But wow did they get demolished at home by BW.
UW-Oshkosh is a top 25 team for me.
Smith as well
and BARELY in (Scranton, UC Santa Cruz)
and I wouldn't be shocked to see Webster sneak in with a point or two

[CNU85]

Good stuff Scottie.

I still see Hope as #1. Maybe Trine slipping in at #2. CNU is really good in a lot of aspects of their game. It's their schedule that is suspect. Even if they had a tough schedule they're a top 5 team in my opinion. Year in and year out, they have been strong under Broderick.  I wish they would get better tested before tourney time. At least the road trip coming up will seem like tournament travel.


NCAA stats...CNU in top 10 in......Scoring Offense (3rd), Scoring Margin (2nd), FG% (3rd), Turnover Margin (1st), Assist/Turnover Ratio (9th), Blocked Shots per game (9th), Steals per game (5th) and Assists per game (6th). Pretty solid on both ends of the court.

[scottiedawg]

It's really hard to know how to value/discount those underlying statistics in light of strong/weak opponents.

For example, Webster's underlying stats are SPARKLING. But how much of that is due to opponent strength?

(Same could be said, to a much lesser extent, about Hope and CNU, both of whom have tremendous underlying stats, but whose SOSs are roughly middle of the pack when compared to the other ~top 50 teams).

That's why I will push up Whitewater, Simpson, Trine, Whitman, Tufts, John Carroll--higher than most. Very solid underlying stats + strong SOS.

[CNU85]

Scottie...so true. Good comments.

so many variables to consider in figuring things out. In the end, it's all figured out on the court. But it's fun to discuss.