Top 25 discussion

[Swish3]

It's certainly a good time to be a Captains fan. Women are #1. Men are #4.

Womens soccer just won national championship. Men finished ranked #11.
Multiple preseason all -Americans for both LAX teams...men ranked 5th, women as high as 20th.

I just hope the search committee finds a new President equally committed to athletics as Paul Trible.

Agreed!

[Baldini]

Congratulations to CNU, these are felt good moments for the program, I am sure. The one reason I didn't think they would be voted #1 is they really don't have that signature win to their credit, yet.  Everyone else at the top end of the polls has such a win and I thought that would hurt CNU in this week's voting.

It will all work itself out in the long run and a few placings one way or the other for anyone isn't going to matter come tournament time. February should be a very fun month for all of women's D3 action to follow, best of luck to everyone. 

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

It's certainly a good time to be a Captains fan. Women are #1. Men are #4.

Womens soccer just won national championship. Men finished ranked #11.
Multiple preseason all -Americans for both LAX teams...men ranked 5th, women as high as 20th.

I just hope the search committee finds a new President equally committed to athletics as Paul Trible.

Agreed!

X3
But soccer coach did say to coach B. "your turn next".  pressure.

[Augie2020]

Yes Congrats to CNU always two great programs in women's and men's basketball!Remember the men's coach very well as Scranton men played against Merchant Marine twice a year he is a very good coach if the same coach?

[ronk]

Same coach.

[saratoga]

Now that the Lady Royals are ranked, can we move them up in the "Scores" section so their games are easier to find?
At least until they lose their next one.

[Pat Coleman]

Now that the Lady Royals are ranked, can we move them up in the "Scores" section so their games are easier to find?
At least until they lose their next one.

Good catch -- we've gotten that taken care of.

[saratoga]

Thanks Pat.

[ronk]

Now that the Lady Royals are ranked, can we move them up in the "Scores" section so their games are easier to find?
At least until they lose their next one.

The unappreciated bonus of being in the top 25!

[saratoga]

I certainly appreciate that little perk.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	600	Christopher Newport	17-0	02/05 at Mount Mary canceled; 02/05 at Wheaton (Ill.); 02/06 at Finlandia
#2	579	Trine	16-2	02/03 vs. #33 Albion; 02/05 at Alma
#3	576	Hope	17-1	02/05 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 02/07 vs. Alma
#4	567	Transylvania	16-0	02/02 vs. Franklin postponed; 02/05 at Defiance
#5	531	Simpson	18-1	02/05 vs. Luther
#6	502	Whitman	18-1	02/04 at Pacific; 02/05 at Linfield
#7	455	Tufts	16-2	02/04 at Trinity (Conn.); 02/05 at Connecticut College
#8	440	UW-Whitewater	19-2	def. UW-La Crosse, 56-54; 02/03 at UW-River Falls
#9	404	John Carroll	16-2	won at Heidelberg, 105-71; 02/05 at #26 Marietta
#10	394	New York University	15-1	02/04 vs. Rochester; 02/06 vs. Emory
#11	348	Amherst	14-2	02/04 at #28 Bowdoin; 02/05 at Colby
#12	338	Baldwin Wallace	14-3	won at Mount Union, 66-51; 02/05 vs. Otterbein
#13	322	DePauw	16-2	02/04 vs. Hiram postponed; 02/05 vs. Hiram; 02/05 vs. Allegheny postponed; 02/06 vs. Allegheny
#14	261	Wisconsin Lutheran	16-0	won at Lakeland, 70-49; 02/05 vs. Aurora
#15	241	Mary Hardin-Baylor	16-2	02/03 at LeTourneau; 02/05 at T#34 Texas-Dallas
#16	238	East Texas Baptist	14-3	02/03 at Howard Payne; 02/05 at Sul Ross State
#17	203	Messiah	17-2	def. Lebanon Valley, 67-46
#18	139	Catholic	16-2	def. Juniata, 70-39; 02/05 at Drew
#19	114	Wartburg	15-4	won at Luther, 73-45; 02/05 at Nebraska Wesleyan
#20	113	UW-Eau Claire	16-5	won at UW-River Falls, 67-54; 02/05 vs. UW-La Crosse
#21	95	Scranton	18-2	def. Moravian, 60-59 OT; 02/05 vs. Goucher
#22	86	St. John Fisher	17-2	won at Houghton, 65-46; 02/04 vs. Hartwick; 02/05 vs. Sage
#23	79	Springfield	17-2	def. Clark, 87-43; 02/05 vs. T#37 WPI
#24	76	Trinity (Texas)	16-2	02/05 vs. Centenary (La.); 02/06 vs. Austin
#25	72	Smith	16-2	won at Wheaton (Mass.), 71-50; 02/05 at Coast Guard

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	68	Marietta	17-3	won at Muskingum, 91-73; 02/05 vs. #9 John Carroll
#27	63	Hardin-Simmons	13-4	02/05 at University of the Ozarks
#28	51	Bowdoin	15-4	def. Maine-Presque Isle, 87-59; 02/04 vs. #11 Amherst; 02/05 vs. Hamilton
#29	44	Gettysburg	16-2	def. Franklin and Marshall, 56-36; 02/04 vs. Ursinus; 02/05 at Ursinus
#30	28	UW-Oshkosh	15-4	won at UW-Platteville, 59-47; 02/05 at UW-Stout
#31	15	Bates	11-4	02/04 at Connecticut College; 02/05 at Trinity (Conn.)
#32	14	UC Santa Cruz	11-2	02/05 at La Verne; 02/06 vs. Lincoln (CA)
#33	13	Albion	15-5	02/03 at #2 Trine; 02/05 vs. Kalamazoo
T#34	11	DeSales	14-3	def. Stevens, 80-63; 02/05 vs. FDU-Florham
T#34	11	Texas-Dallas	10-4	02/05 vs. #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 02/07 vs. Concordia (Texas)
#36	8	Roger Williams	18-1	won at Gordon, 71-59; 02/05 vs. Endicott
T#37	7	Gustavus Adolphus	13-4	LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-67; 02/05 vs. St. Catherine; 02/07 vs. #42 Augsburg
T#37	7	WPI	16-2	won at Wellesley, 54-32; 02/05 at #23 Springfield
#39	5	Ohio Northern	13-5	LOST at Otterbein, 60-65; 02/05 vs. Capital
#40	4	Ithaca	15-3	02/04 at Union; 02/05 at Skidmore
#41	2	Redlands	13-4	LOST to Whittier, 40-43; 02/05 at Chapman; 02/07 vs. Occidental
#42	1	Augsburg	14-4	won at St. Catherine, 67-50; 02/05 vs. St. Olaf; 02/07 at T#37 Gustavus Adolphus

3 postponements
1 cancellation

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Hoopsville Marathon is here!



The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon

This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.

The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.

Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):

• Conner Delaney, Johns Hopkins men's senior
• Frank Marcinek, Susquehanna men's coach
• Dan Krikorian, Chapman men's coach and Co-Host of "Slappin' Glass" podcast
• Minority Coaches Panel:
  
• • Larry Anderson (MIT men's coach)
  • Kam Gissendanner (La Roche women's coach)
  • Jason Harris (UMass-Boston men's coach)
  • Gary Stewart (Stevenson men's coach)
• Gary Stewart, Stevenson men's coach and NABC Board member
• National Committee Chairs:
  
• • Michael Schauer, Wheaton men's coach and men's committee chair
  • Megan Wilson, Luther Associate AD and women's committee chair
• Dan Kenny, John Jay men's sophomore and volunteer firefighter
• Jina DeRubbo, Washington & Jefferson women's coach
• Cameron Hill, Trinity (Texas) women's coach
• Stephen Gabel, Nazareth men's senior
• State of DIII with Louise McCleary, Interim Vice President for Division III
• Jim Haney, Division III Men's Officiating Coordinator
• Fred Roggin, NBC4 LA Sports Anchor and AM570 LA Sports Host
• Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Gordon Mann and Scott Peterson
• "Happy Hour" with friends of Hoopsville and D3 basketball

[scottiedawg]

I put together a model that assigns a value to each game.

It uses:
* Massey Ranking (A win over Massey #1 is worth 100, a win over Massey #60 is worth 41 and wins over Massey #224 and lower are worth zero. Those are all pretty arbitrary)
* Venue (Home, Road, Neutral)
* Result (Win, Loss)
* # of days ago

It does not include whether the game was close or not, so definitely missing how competitive a matchup was.

It also doesn't include if either team was missing key players.

But so far, the highest and lowest graded results do pass the smell test:

Highest
1/26/22 Trine over Hope (100 points)
1/14/22 Amherst over Tufts (85.50)
1/29/22 Simpson over Wartburg (85.00)
1/29/22 B-W over Marietta (83.00)
1/12/22 UW-Stout over UW-Eau Claire (82.80)
1/19/22 UW-Whitewater over UW-LaCrosse (79.80)
12/18/21 Hope over Tine (79.20)


Lowest
2/2/22 Gustavus Adolphus loses to St. Mary's MN (-55.13)
12/21/21 UW-Stout loses to Finlandia (-47.80)
1/29/22 Augsburg loses to Carleton (-47.63)
1/26/22 Wartburg loses to Dubuque (-46.00)
12/30/21 Bates loses to Susquehanna (-44.20)
01/24/22 Mary Washington loses to Stevenson (-42.75)
12/30/21 DePauw loses to Piedmont (-40.80)

[Baldini]

I put together a model that assigns a value to each game.

It uses:
* Massey Ranking (A win over Massey #1 is worth 100, a win over Massey #60 is worth 41 and wins over Massey #224 and lower are worth zero. Those are all pretty arbitrary)
* Venue (Home, Road, Neutral)
* Result (Win, Loss)
* # of days ago

It does not include whether the game was close or not, so definitely missing how competitive a matchup was.

It also doesn't include if either team was missing key players.

But so far, the highest and lowest graded results do pass the smell test:

Highest
1/26/22 Trine over Hope (100 points)
1/14/22 Amherst over Tufts (85.50)
1/29/22 Simpson over Wartburg (85.00)
1/29/22 B-W over Marietta (83.00)
1/12/22 UW-Stout over UW-Eau Claire (82.80)
1/19/22 UW-Whitewater over UW-LaCrosse (79.80)
12/18/21 Hope over Tine (79.20)


Lowest
2/2/22 Gustavus Adolphus loses to St. Mary's MN (-55.13)
12/21/21 UW-Stout loses to Finlandia (-47.80)
1/29/22 Augsburg loses to Carleton (-47.63)
1/26/22 Wartburg loses to Dubuque (-46.00)
12/30/21 Bates loses to Susquehanna (-44.20)
01/24/22 Mary Washington loses to Stevenson (-42.75)
12/30/21 DePauw loses to Piedmont (-40.80)

# of days ago? Feels like the manipulation of data to get the results you want. Quality wins are quality wins.

[scottiedawg]

Do you have anything constructive to add or do you just feel like being difficult?

I have no idea what you deem a "quality win"

I am trying to move far away from any notion of a "quality win" that is binary. That's not very useful for valuing teams in a relative manner.

My model values an early November win at 76% of a late January win. Is that 76% number the "correct" one? Absolutely not. But it seems WILD and myopic to value an early November win equal to a recent win.

Seems you would hate the NCAA Tournament model, which values the most recent win at 100%, and all prior wins at 0%.