Top 25 discussion

[deiscanton]

Some thoughts on NYU, in response to Scottiedawg--

As far as any potential bracketing for NYU is to be considered for Selection Monday, I believe that Emory will continue to be regionally ranked in Region 6 when the rankings come out on Wednesday-- thanks to Emory's road win over regionally ranked Piedmont followed up by a home win by Emory in UAA play over Carnegie Mellon this week-- the result vs Piedmont will count as another Emory win vs a RRO for purposes of setting up this week's regional rankings.  Therefore, NYU will probably not lose those 2 RRO wins vs Emory.

However, since NYU has already won the AQ from the UAA, the worry about losing RRO wins only affects where NYU will go for the first weekend of the DIII Women's Basketball Tournament and who NYU will play.

The regional rankings each week are supposed to be done from scratch-- each RAC as well as the national committee is supposed to "blow up" the regional rankings each round of the selection process and start over.  For purposes of setting up this round's regional rankings, the results v RRO from the previous round are used. 

Only regionally ranked teams appearing in this Wednesday's regional rankings as well as the final regional rankings used for Selection Monday count as regionally ranked teams for selection purposes.

Of course as far as the Top 25 goes, NYU definitely belongs in the top 10 going into the NCAA DIII tournament. 

[scottiedawg]

Yep, just evaluating how NYU's resume might change, as viewed via the criteria. You're right it would only be important for "seeding" as NYU is clearly a top line team.

I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Yep, just evaluating how NYU's resume might change, as viewed via the criteria. You're right it would only be important for "seeding" as NYU is clearly a top line team.

I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).

Good news is that Calvin went 2-0 last week, including a win over Albion.  I would think they hold on to their ranking, which could be huge for Hope (seeding/hosting wise).  Hope (as the #2 seed in the MIAA tournament - via tie-breaker with co-champ Trine who is #1) actually gets an advantage of another Calvin game in the semi-finals (assuming all higher ranked teams win).  Couple that wiht the potential championship game vs Trine and Hope gets 2 more RRO games this week. As long as Calvin is ranked this week, then Hope gets that advantage (since the committee uses this weeks RRO and next weeks RRO in setting up the tournament)

[scottiedawg]

Agree on everything there! Ideal for Hope hosting/seeding wise is being able to beat both Calvin and Trine, AND Calvin sticking in the Regional Rankings.

[Baldini]

Yep, just evaluating how NYU's resume might change, as viewed via the criteria. You're right it would only be important for "seeding" as NYU is clearly a top line team.

I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).

Well, you have my curiosity. Why would Chicago or Calvin fall out of the regional rankings this week? Who is bumping up that is going to knock them out?

[scottiedawg]

These are my assumptions:
(a) the teams at the bottom of regions are close together
(b) the women's committee places a high value on win%
(c) because of (b) a loss hurts


Now, it could very well be that in Region #8, whichever team is "#10" either isn't that close to the top 9, or lost themself, or other.

[scottiedawg]

St. Norbert with a win over Wisc Lutheran could be in the conversation in Region #8.

Maybe Benedictine?

WashU, North Park and Wheaton all have losses in the last week--that should help keep Chicago in the rankings.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

These are my assumptions:
(a) the teams at the bottom of regions are close together
(b) the women's committee places a high value on win%
(c) because of (b) a loss hurts


Now, it could very well be that in Region #8, whichever team is "#10" either isn't that close to the top 9, or lost themself, or other.

Right, but in Calvin's case they did not lose, and in fact beat Albion (a team on the edge of being ranked I would assume)

[WLCALUM83]

St. Norbert with a win over Wisc Lutheran could be in the conversation in Region #8.

Maybe Benedictine?

WashU, North Park and Wheaton all have losses in the last week--that should help keep Chicago in the rankings.

Wisconsin Lutheran will have to win out in the NACC tourney to get in, IMHO.

[scottiedawg]

Right, but in Calvin's case they did not lose, and in fact beat Albion (a team on the edge of being ranked I would assume)

Yah, I think I was looking ahead to Calvin potentially losing in the MIAA tourney semis? Cause you're right, Calvin had a great week, and was already 2 spots in as of 2/16.

(I know it's not relevant to the NCAA tourney, but Massey kinda loves Calvin. They're 18th!!)

[scottiedawg]

Wisconsin Lutheran will have to win out in the NACC tourney to get in, IMHO.

Iiiiinteresting.

It's on my list to put together a stack ranking for Pool C purposes, but I haven't done that. I think I assumed that any team that's #2 in their region is safe for a Pool C? Though Wisc Luth might be dropping after their loss to St. Norbert.

[MrMaus]

It's on my list to put together a stack ranking for Pool C purposes, but I haven't done that. I think I assumed that any team that's #2 in their region is safe for a Pool C? Though Wisc Luth might be dropping after their loss to St. Norbert.

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-womens-basketball-regional.html

You mean do what Matt Snyder has already done?

[scottiedawg]

It's on my list to put together a stack ranking for Pool C purposes, but I haven't done that. I think I assumed that any team that's #2 in their region is safe for a Pool C? Though Wisc Luth might be dropping after their loss to St. Norbert.

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-womens-basketball-regional.html

You mean do what Matt Snyder has already done?

Kinda, but try and incorporate what we can infer from the Top 16 and Regional Rankings. Those don't completely match up with Snyder's.

[gordonmann]

FYI, the Top 25 will get posted a little later than usual because I'm covering a game when the polls close. So look for it around 9 pm ET

[gordonmann]

Or maybe around 9 pm CST.

Here it is

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week11