Top 25 discussion

saratoga · November 02, 2022, 12:54:13 PM

I'm looking at Trinity (Conn.) as a team that can be really good by mid-season.
Virtually their entire team back plus a third D-1 transfer.
Sleep on the Bantoms at your own peril.

E-town out of the Landmark also has the inside/outside game that will make them highly effective as the season progresses.

CNU85 · November 02, 2022, 02:40:44 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2022, 01:05:41 PM

The argument is there for NYU for sure. I don't think Transylvania was a top team last year and I'd personally like to see improvement, before I push them into the #1 conversation. As for Whitewater and Hope - Hope sure lost more, but they're also returning a ton. I'm not sure the difference between what each team has coming back is super stark.

For me, though, the team no one's talking about is UC Santa Cruz. They return the entire roster, plus an all-conference caliber player who missed last season due to injury. Their schedule was weird last year, which prevented a Pool C bid, but they've got a killer schedule this season with 15 d3 games, including ETBU, UMHB, CNU, and Whitewater (not to mention D1 Santa Clara). They've obviously got a lot to prove as well, given the lack of context, but they're a VERY good team, even if most of the voters are unsure. I'm a believer.

Santa Cruz is a very good team. Of course, having a very different conference makes it a little more difficult to see them as much as I would like. The one time they played CNU, it was a tough game. CNU landed a good transfer at Guard. Hopefully she can mesh instantly with All-American Sondra Fan. If so, this could be a very scary tandem.

Roundball999 · November 02, 2022, 06:14:32 PM

WBCA Coach's preseason poll is out, with a decidedly different Top 10 look than the D3 Hoops poll. Hope also at #1, with 7 of 10 #1 votes. But WBCA has Trine at 2 and Amherst at 3, neither with any 1st place votes. Then comes CNU at #4, they garner the other 3 #1 votes. UWW all the way down at #8. Not sure what to make of the differences other than concluding it will sort out on the court.

Darryl Nester · November 17, 2022, 02:24:36 PM

How They Fared (So Far)

This lists games through Sunday, 11/26 (after which, I assume, we'll have the first in-season poll).

edit[11/20]: Oops, this is through Saturday, 11/26, so next Sunday's games are not included here ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	586	Hope	2-0	def. Geneva, 143-57; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 99-73; 11/18 vs. Finlandia; 11/19 vs. #13 UW-Eau Claire; 11/22 vs. #42 Wisconsin Lutheran
#2	567	Transylvania	0-0	11/18 vs. Concordia (Texas); 11/19 at Texas-Dallas; 11/26 vs. Wilmington
#3	548	New York University	2-0	def. Alvernia, 101-58; def. Haverford, 85-74; 11/18 at Vassar; 11/19 vs. Kean; 11/23 vs. Colby
#4	531	UW-Whitewater	3-0	def. Carroll, 56-52; def. #14 Millikin, 79-69; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 70-61; 11/19 at Ripon; 11/22 at Edgewood; 11/26 vs. Calvin
#5	507	Trinity (Texas)	2-0	won at Birmingham-Southern, 140-87; def. (n) Millsaps, 80-58; 11/18 at Howard Payne; 11/20 vs. Sul Ross State; 11/22 at #18 Hardin-Simmons; 11/26 vs. #18 Hardin-Simmons
#6	470	Christopher Newport	4-0	def. Averett, 92-39; won at #35 East Texas Baptist, 63-53; def. (n) LeTourneau, 94-48; won at Mary Baldwin, 86-36; 11/19 vs. Goucher; 11/22 at William Peace
#7	462	Smith	2-0	def. University of New England, 76-63; def. T#39 Rhode Island College, 76-41; 11/18 vs. Maine Maritime; 11/19 at T#43 Bowdoin
#8	456	Trine	1-1	def. Benedictine, 77-34; LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 70-75 2OT; 11/18 vs. Edgewood; 11/19 vs. Otterbein; 11/26 vs. Ohio Northern
#9	393	Amherst	3-0	def. #16 Springfield, 54-50; def. Rowan, 57-50; won at Gordon, 52-41
#10	336	Scranton	3-0	def. (n) William Paterson, 68-52; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 70-56; def. Marywood, 67-51; 11/19 vs. King's; 11/20 at Wilkes
#11	321	Tufts	2-0	won at #34 Bates, 79-55; def. #45 Roger Williams, 57-48; 11/18 at WPI; 11/19 at Brandeis
#12	285	Baldwin Wallace	2-0	def. #8 Trine, 75-70 2OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 81-58; 11/18 at Wittenberg; 11/19 vs. Hanover; 11/22 at La Roche
#13	237	UW-Eau Claire	3-0	def. #28 Wartburg, 94-83; def. Bethel, 55-52; def. Minnesota-Morris, 66-45; 11/18 vs. Denison; 11/19 at #1 Hope; 11/22 vs. St. Norbert; 11/25 vs. Northland
#14	222	Millikin	2-2	won at Beloit, 91-51; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 61-64; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 69-79; def. Illinois College, 69-50; 11/18 vs. TBD; 11/18 vs. Coe; 11/19 vs. TBD
#15	204	Mary Hardin-Baylor	0-0	11/19 at Emory; 11/20 vs. Lynchburg
#16	174	Springfield	3-1	def. Western New England, 56-48; LOST at #9 Amherst, 50-54; def. (n) Rowan, 58-53; won at Endicott, 62-56; 11/19 vs. Gordon; 11/22 vs. Williams
#17	157	St. John Fisher	3-0	def. Buffalo State, 80-49; def. (n) Hiram, 68-61; def. (n) Allegheny, 70-48; 11/17 at Rochester; 11/19 at Rochester Tech; 11/22 vs. Hamilton
#18	155	Hardin-Simmons	2-0	def. Texas Lutheran, 66-41; def. Schreiner, 81-77; 11/18 vs. Austin; 11/22 vs. #5 Trinity (Texas); 11/26 at #5 Trinity (Texas)
#19	153	Marietta	2-1	LOST to Washington and Jefferson, 53-67; won at St. Vincent, 51-38; won at Penn State-Behrend, 76-68; 11/22 vs. Case Western Reserve
#20	140	Ithaca	3-0	def. #33 Cortland, 64-55 OT; won at Montclair State, 72-48; won at SUNY Geneseo, 57-50; 11/19 at #32 Catholic
#21	127	Messiah	1-1	def. (n) T#36 Johns Hopkins, 48-47; LOST at Rochester, 44-57; 11/18 vs. Lycoming; 11/19 vs. TBD
#22	119	UW-Oshkosh	4-0	won at Lakeland, 60-43; def. (n) Bethel, 78-71; def. (n) #28 Wartburg, 71-58; def. Edgewood, 81-71; 11/18 vs. #30 DePauw; 11/19 vs. TBA
#23	113	Whitman	1-1	LOST at Lewis-Clark St., 60-66; def. (n) Montana Tech, 72-62; 11/18 at T#43 Redlands; 11/19 vs. Chapman; 11/22 at Pomona-Pitzer; 11/23 at Caltech
#24	110	Puget Sound	2-0	won at Warner Pacific, 75-55; won at Multnomah, 76-72; 11/19 vs. Wheaton (Ill.); 11/25 vs. Chapman; 11/26 vs. Whittier
#25	105	Babson	2-0	won at Eastern Connecticut, 77-69; won at T#39 Rhode Island College, 62-34; 11/19 vs. #45 Roger Williams; 11/22 at Brandeis

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	96	DeSales	3-0	def. (n) Penn State-Hazleton, 90-37; def. (n) Penn State-Schuylkill, 85-41; def. Muhlenberg, 58-49; 11/22 vs. Moravian
#27	90	Simpson	1-2	LOST to (n) Augustana, 62-74; def. (n) Marian, 96-39; LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 73-76; 11/19 vs. UW-Superior; 11/22 vs. Loras
#28	81	Wartburg	2-2	won at Edgewood, 101-68; LOST at #13 UW-Eau Claire, 83-94; LOST to (n) #22 UW-Oshkosh, 58-71; def. Cornell, 65-41; 11/22 vs. Dubuque
#29	61	UC Santa Cruz	2-0	won at Caltech, 78-60; won at Whittier, 67-63; 11/17 at Pacific Union; 11/19 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 11/20 at Cal St. Maritime; 11/22 at Menlo
#30	55	DePauw	1-1	def. (n) Bethany Lutheran, 73-42; LOST at #42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 56-64; 11/18 vs. #22 UW-Oshkosh; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/26 vs. #38 Illinois Wesleyan
#31	46	Trinity (Conn.)	2-0	def. Mitchell, 64-39; def. Eastern Connecticut, 59-54; 11/18 at Connecticut College
#32	41	Catholic	4-0	def. Dickinson, 55-47; def. (n) Stevens, 66-58; won at York (Pa.), 67-54; def. Salisbury, 71-46; 11/19 vs. #20 Ithaca; 11/22 at St. Mary's (Md.)
#33	26	Cortland	1-1	LOST at #20 Ithaca, 55-64 OT; def. Hartwick, 79-43; 11/19 at Hamilton; 11/22 vs. SUNYIT
#34	25	Bates	0-1	LOST to #11 Tufts, 55-79; 11/19 vs. Brooklyn; 11/20 vs. Medgar Evers; 11/22 at Southern Maine
#35	21	East Texas Baptist	1-1	LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 53-63; def. Centenary (La.), 68-53; 11/18 at Rhodes; 11/19 vs. Fontbonne; 11/22 at Austin
T#36	18	Gettysburg	1-1	won at Randolph-Macon, 68-59; LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 49-53; 11/22 vs. T#36 Johns Hopkins
T#36	18	Johns Hopkins	2-1	def. York (Pa.), 68-54; LOST to (n) #21 Messiah, 47-48; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 67-42; 11/19 vs. Muhlenberg; 11/22 at T#36 Gettysburg
#38	15	Illinois Wesleyan	1-2	def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 86-38; LOST at #1 Hope, 73-99; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; 11/19 vs. Capital; 11/22 at Eureka; 11/26 at #30 DePauw
T#39	13	John Carroll	2-0	def. Allegheny, 67-64; def. Hiram, 79-63; 11/19 at Albion
T#39	13	New Jersey City	0-1	LOST at Monmouth (N.J.), 70-79; 11/21 at Delaware St.; 11/22 vs. Montclair State
T#39	13	Rhode Island College	1-2	def. (n) TCNJ, 78-68; LOST at #7 Smith, 41-76; LOST to #25 Babson, 34-62; 11/19 vs. Endicott; 11/22 at Bridgewater State
#42	8	Wisconsin Lutheran	2-1	LOST to Calvin, 57-65; def. #30 DePauw, 64-56; def. Carthage, 71-51; 11/22 at #1 Hope
T#43	3	Bowdoin	2-0	def. (n) St. Lawrence, 58-47; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 77-61; 11/18 vs. Framingham State; 11/19 vs. #7 Smith
T#43	3	Redlands	1-0	def. (n) Macalester, 79-72 OT; 11/18 vs. #23 Whitman; 11/25 at Linfield; 11/26 at Pacific
#45	1	Roger Williams	1-1	def. MIT, 71-47; LOST at #11 Tufts, 48-57; 11/19 at #25 Babson; 11/22 vs. Mass-Dartmouth

D3Navy · November 20, 2022, 11:48:54 AM

This took a lot of work! Thanks Darryl.

gordonmann · November 20, 2022, 05:11:33 PM

Quick note -- Our first poll of the regular season will come out a week from tomorrow (November 28).

Enjoy your holiday!

Darryl Nester · November 27, 2022, 05:57:04 PM

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	586	Hope	5-0	def. Geneva, 143-57; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 99-73; def. Finlandia, 92-40; def. #13 UW-Eau Claire, 89-77; def. #42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 84-52
#2	567	Transylvania	4-0	def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 66-45; won at Texas-Dallas, 57-43; def. Wilmington, 63-46; def. Denison, 73-56
#3	548	New York University	5-0	def. Alvernia, 101-58; def. Haverford, 85-74; won at Vassar, 80-44; def. Kean, 71-50; def. Colby, 80-37
#4	531	UW-Whitewater	5-1	def. Carroll, 56-52; def. #14 Millikin, 79-69; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 70-61; won at Ripon, 67-53; won at Edgewood, 69-57; LOST to Calvin, 64-66
#5	507	Trinity (Texas)	7-0	won at Birmingham-Southern, 140-87; def. (n) Millsaps, 80-58; won at Howard Payne, 72-59; def. Sul Ross State, 91-56; won at #18 Hardin-Simmons, 76-69; def. #18 Hardin-Simmons, 81-68; def. LeTourneau, 93-55
#6	470	Christopher Newport	6-0	def. Averett, 92-39; won at #35 East Texas Baptist, 63-53; def. (n) LeTourneau, 94-48; won at Mary Baldwin, 86-36; def. Goucher, 120-23; ~~11/22 at William Peace~~ postponed; def. Lynchburg, 96-28
#7	462	Smith	5-0	def. University of New England, 76-63; def. T#39 Rhode Island College, 76-41; def. (n) Maine Maritime, 66-60 OT; won at T#43 Bowdoin, 59-54; won at #31 Trinity (Conn.), 71-68 OT
#8	456	Trine	3-2	def. Benedictine, 77-34; LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 70-75 2OT; def. Edgewood, 66-51; def. Otterbein, 66-54; LOST to Ohio Northern, 50-53
#9	393	Amherst	3-0	def. #16 Springfield, 54-50; def. Rowan, 57-50; won at Gordon, 52-41
#10	336	Scranton	5-0	def. (n) William Paterson, 68-52; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 70-56; def. Marywood, 67-51; def. (n) King's, 80-42; won at Wilkes, 70-32
#11	321	Tufts	5-0	won at #34 Bates, 79-55; def. #45 Roger Williams, 57-48; won at WPI, 60-57; won at Brandeis, 84-70; def. University of New England, 69-55
#12	285	Baldwin Wallace	5-0	def. #8 Trine, 75-70 2OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 81-58; won at Wittenberg, 56-43; def. (n) Hanover, 71-48; won at La Roche, 68-44
#13	237	UW-Eau Claire	6-1	def. #28 Wartburg, 94-83; def. Bethel, 55-52; def. Minnesota-Morris, 66-45; def. (n) Denison, 82-56; LOST at #1 Hope, 77-89; def. St. Norbert, 78-56; def. Northland, 83-41
#14	222	Millikin	3-3	won at Beloit, 91-51; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 61-64; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 69-79; def. Illinois College, 69-50; def. (n) Coe, 66-57; LOST at Washington U., 66-72 OT
#15	204	Mary Hardin-Baylor	2-0	won at Emory, 63-59; def. (n) Lynchburg, 75-53
#16	174	Springfield	5-1	def. Western New England, 56-48; LOST at #9 Amherst, 50-54; def. (n) Rowan, 58-53; won at Endicott, 62-56; def. Gordon, 68-57; def. Williams, 72-58
#17	157	St. John Fisher	4-2	def. Buffalo State, 80-49; def. (n) Hiram, 68-61; def. (n) Allegheny, 70-48; LOST at Rochester, 55-68; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 70-48; LOST to Hamilton, 64-70
#18	155	Hardin-Simmons	3-2	def. Texas Lutheran, 66-41; def. Schreiner, 81-77; def. Austin, 77-38; LOST to #5 Trinity (Texas), 69-76; LOST at #5 Trinity (Texas), 68-81
#19	153	Marietta	3-1	LOST to Washington and Jefferson, 53-67; won at St. Vincent, 51-38; won at Penn State-Behrend, 76-68; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-56
#20	140	Ithaca	4-0	def. #33 Cortland, 64-55 OT; won at Montclair State, 72-48; won at SUNY Geneseo, 57-50; won at #32 Catholic, 67-65
#21	127	Messiah	3-1	def. (n) T#36 Johns Hopkins, 48-47; LOST at Rochester, 44-57; def. Lycoming, 70-42; def. SUNY New Paltz, 65-58
#22	119	UW-Oshkosh	6-0	won at Lakeland, 60-43; def. (n) Bethel, 78-71; def. (n) #28 Wartburg, 71-58; def. Edgewood, 81-71; def. (n) #30 DePauw, 56-48; won at Augustana, 64-49
#23	113	Whitman	5-1	LOST at Lewis-Clark St., 60-66; def. (n) Montana Tech, 72-62; won at T#43 Redlands, 68-49; def. (n) Chapman, 73-60; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 68-52; won at Caltech, 60-38
#24	110	Puget Sound	4-1	won at Warner Pacific, 75-55; won at Multnomah, 76-72; LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 56-62; def. Chapman, 93-58; def. Whittier, 84-49
#25	105	Babson	3-0	won at Eastern Connecticut, 77-69; won at T#39 Rhode Island College, 62-34; def. #45 Roger Williams, 61-53; ~~11/22 at Brandeis~~ postponed

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	96	DeSales	4-0	def. (n) Penn State-Hazleton, 90-37; def. (n) Penn State-Schuylkill, 85-41; def. Muhlenberg, 58-49; def. Moravian, 63-52
#27	90	Simpson	2-3	LOST to (n) Augustana, 62-74; def. (n) Marian, 96-39; LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 73-76; def. UW-Superior, 77-70; LOST to Loras, 41-45
#28	81	Wartburg	3-2	won at Edgewood, 101-68; LOST at #13 UW-Eau Claire, 83-94; LOST to (n) #22 UW-Oshkosh, 58-71; def. Cornell, 65-41; def. Dubuque, 78-72 OT
#29	61	UC Santa Cruz	7-0	won at Caltech, 78-60; won at Whittier, 67-63; won at Pacific Union, 71-36; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 79-66; won at Cal St. Maritime, 77-46; won at Menlo, 67-60; def. Whitworth, 58-57
#30	55	DePauw	3-3	def. (n) Bethany Lutheran, 73-42; LOST at #42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 56-64; LOST to (n) #22 UW-Oshkosh, 48-56; def. (n) Dubuque, 74-49; LOST to #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-71; def. Rose-Hulman, 79-41
#31	46	Trinity (Conn.)	3-1	def. Mitchell, 64-39; def. Eastern Connecticut, 59-54; won at Connecticut College, 52-44; LOST to #7 Smith, 68-71
#32	41	Catholic	5-1	def. Dickinson, 55-47; def. (n) Stevens, 66-58; won at York (Pa.), 67-54; def. Salisbury, 71-46; LOST to #20 Ithaca, 65-67; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 63-34
#33	26	Cortland	3-1	LOST at #20 Ithaca, 55-64 OT; def. Hartwick, 79-43; won at Hamilton, 77-76 OT; def. SUNYIT, 76-64
#34	25	Bates	2-2	LOST to #11 Tufts, 55-79; def. (n) Brooklyn, 74-59; def. (n) Medgar Evers, 89-36; ~~11/22 at Southern Maine~~ postponed; LOST to WPI, 54-56
#35	21	East Texas Baptist	4-1	LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 53-63; def. Centenary (La.), 68-53; won at Rhodes, 88-67; def. (n) Fontbonne, 74-67; won at Austin, 75-46
T#36	18	Gettysburg	2-1	won at Randolph-Macon, 68-59; LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 49-53; def. T#36 Johns Hopkins, 63-48
T#36	18	Johns Hopkins	3-3	def. York (Pa.), 68-54; LOST to (n) #21 Messiah, 47-48; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 67-42; def. Muhlenberg, 54-53; LOST at T#36 Gettysburg, 48-63; LOST at Marymount, 51-56
#38	15	Illinois Wesleyan	5-2	def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 86-38; LOST at #1 Hope, 73-99; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; def. Capital, 73-62; won at Eureka, 87-55; won at #30 DePauw, 71-58; def. (n) Washington U., 67-52
T#39	13	John Carroll	2-1	def. Allegheny, 67-64; def. Hiram, 79-63; LOST at Albion, 56-89
T#39	13	New Jersey City	1-2	LOST at Monmouth (N.J.), 70-79; LOST at Delaware St., 48-88; def. Montclair State, 66-48
T#39	13	Rhode Island College	4-2	def. (n) TCNJ, 78-68; LOST at #7 Smith, 41-76; LOST to #25 Babson, 34-62; def. Endicott, 66-47; won at Bridgewater State, 85-78; def. Wesleyan, 72-43
#42	8	Wisconsin Lutheran	2-2	LOST to Calvin, 57-65; def. #30 DePauw, 64-56; def. Carthage, 71-51; LOST at #1 Hope, 52-84
T#43	3	Bowdoin	3-1	def. (n) St. Lawrence, 58-47; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 77-61; def. Framingham State, 62-51; LOST to #7 Smith, 54-59
T#43	3	Redlands	3-1	def. (n) Macalester, 79-72 OT; LOST to #23 Whitman, 49-68; won at Linfield, 66-50; won at Pacific, 67-66
#45	1	Roger Williams	2-2	def. MIT, 71-47; LOST at #11 Tufts, 48-57; LOST at #25 Babson, 53-61; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 81-56

scottiedawg · November 29, 2022, 03:47:06 PM

Vote Gainers:
Calvin: +207
Rochester: +187
Ithaca: +129
Baldwin-Wallace: +114
UW-Eau Claire: +91
Babson: +86
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +85
Scranton: +75
Tufts: +70
Amherst: +62
UW-Oshkosh: +60
Chris Newport: +58
Trinity Texas: +41
UC Santa Cruz: +38
UW-LaCrosse: +38
NYU: +34
Hope: +29
Springfield: +28
Smith: +23
Whitman: +19
Gustavus Adolphus: +14
Illinois Wesleyan: +11
E Tx Baptist: +10
Washington & Jefferson: +10
Transylvania: +6
Chicago: +5
Augustana: +1
Mary Washington: +1
Ohio Northern: +1
Stevens: +1

Vote Decliners:
Trine: -295
Millikin: -211
St. John Fisher: -147
UW-Whitewater: -125
Marietta: -121
Simpson: -90
Messiah: -87
Wartburg: -78
Puget Sound: -75
Hardin-Simmons: -71
DePauw: -55
Catholic: -36
Trinity Conn: -28
Bates: -25
Gettysburg: -18
Johns Hopkins: -18
John Carroll: -13
Carroll: -13
RI College: -13
Cortland St.: -9
Wisconsin Lutheran: -8
DeSales: -4
Redlands: -3
Roger Williams: -1

Voters responded with some big changes, which makes total sense to me. I wish every week's poll could be conducted after administering voters with the "Men in black eye blinky memory eraser things"

Multiple or bad losses from every team that lost a lot of votes.

Impressive wins from every team that gained a bunch.

And sleeper teams snuck into the back end of polls. Talking about the #25 spot is splitting nits, but very hard to take any issue with any of the four teams that got one #25 vote each.

11/45 teams receiving votes on the preseason poll received 0 in the week 1 poll.

10 teams entered the week 1 poll.

RogK · November 29, 2022, 04:01:34 PM

The initial poll was based on 0 games played, so it should be quickly forgotten. It was predictions, not rankings.

scottiedawg · November 29, 2022, 04:02:34 PM

Quote from: RogK on November 29, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
The initial poll was based on 0 games played, so it should be quickly forgotten. It was predictions, not rankings.

100% agreed.

RogK · November 29, 2022, 07:19:00 PM

That's more than I even agree with on what I wrote. I'm at 97%! (ha)
I see on the ncaa pages that there are 424 D3 WBB teams listed for various team stats.
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
To be among the top 40 or so in the D3hoops poll is a noteworthy accomplishment, so it's nice that you mention each team that gets votes.

scottiedawg · November 29, 2022, 08:20:04 PM

I hear the D3hoops.com folks when they say that there's no "26th team" since the voters aren't picking more than 25. But I'm not sure it's much more than semantics. "25th and 26th most points received via top 25 votes" seems sensible to me. Maybe there's a difference between "#26 team" and "the team that received the 26th most 'vote points' via top 25 votes." idk.

It's all the same to me! You had some nonzero # of "vote points" and that went up or down.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · November 29, 2022, 09:32:38 PM

Quote from: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 08:20:04 PM
I hear the D3hoops.com folks when they say that there's no "26th team" since the voters aren't picking more than 25. But I'm not sure it's much more than semantics. "25th and 26th most points received via top 25 votes" seems sensible to me. Maybe there's a difference between "#26 team" and "the team that received the 26th most 'vote points' via top 25 votes." idk.

It's all the same to me! You had some nonzero # of "vote points" and that went up or down.

It's just recognizing that if we did vote for 26 teams the team in 26th might get 0 additional points while another team does and moves into 26th place.

scottiedawg · November 29, 2022, 09:51:57 PM

It's a mathematical possibility but surely a team that got a top 25 vote has a higher probability of accruing more points if > than 25 were ranked than a team that didn't get a top 25 vote.

I can see the teams that got a single, #25 vote, getting passed. But other than that seems like the vast majority of teams would stay in the same order.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · November 30, 2022, 01:47:31 AM

Quote from: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
It's a mathematical possibility but surely a team that got a top 25 vote has a higher probability of accruing more points if > than 25 were ranked than a team that didn't get a top 25 vote.

I can see the teams that got a single, #25 vote, getting passed. But other than that seems like the vast majority of teams would stay in the same order.

But it's not about in or out. We're talking about multiple teams who got votes in the Top 25 with just a few (usually single digit) points separating them. This week there's just three points separating LaCrosse in 26th and Puget Sound in 27th. If you all of a sudden make 25 more points possible, it's certainly not a given that LAX stays ahead. That's why we say "26th most points" rather than "26th place."