Top 25 discussion

bbald eagle · January 03, 2007, 08:25:03 PM

Quote from: nescac hoops on January 02, 2007, 02:46:32 PM
28% shooting from the field and 20% from the 3pt. land

If those numbers are right the proper description of Sarah Barton's shooting percentage is closer to embarassing than to great. Bates website has her at 38.1% FG and 41.9% for threes last season. Very respectable percentages. This season, the website says 31% FG and 24.4% from 3 pt. land, not quite as low as 28% and 20%, but still weak.

Ralph Turner · January 04, 2007, 09:26:48 AM

Symbri Tuttle's stats thru the first 10 games.

30.9 min/game FG 23-49 46.9% 3FG 11-18 55.5% FT 11-14 78.6% 23 Rebs 84 assists 14 turnovers 1 block 22 steals 6.7 pts per game.

The assist to turnover ratio is 6:1.

Ralph Turner · January 07, 2007, 05:22:03 PM

Oglethorpe 63, DePauw 61 in Atlanta.

martin · January 09, 2007, 10:40:39 AM

Some scores voters might want to keep in mind -

#11 Calvin's only lost was at Wheaton (IL) 49-46

#12 Wilmington's only loss was at Wittenberg 77-68

#13 Chicago (no losses) beat Wheaton (IL) 57-36, beat Wittenberg 80-58. Both wins were at home, both by 20+ points. Comparative scores can be misleading but they also might indicate that Chicago should be ranked ahead of both Calvin and Wilmington.

Pat Coleman · January 10, 2007, 02:16:39 AM

I think the fact that Chicago jumped past two teams that did not lose this week -- including one that beat a ranked team -- might be something you'd want to keep in mind as well.

Last year Chicago started 10-0, got into the Top 20, and burned the voters, essentially, by finishing 16-9. A No. 13 ranking is pretty impressive considering that recent history.

martin · January 10, 2007, 10:55:08 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:16:39 AM
I think the fact that Chicago jumped past two teams that did not lose this week -- including one that beat a ranked team -- might be something you'd want to keep in mind as well.

Last year Chicago started 10-0, got into the Top 20, and burned the voters, essentially, by finishing 16-9. A No. 13 ranking is pretty impressive considering that recent history.

Very good point Pat - and it is also on my mind. But this year's Chicago team seems to be much tougher. They played a much stronger non-conference schedule this year than they did last year - and seemed to have an easier time with it. It appears that the players have made the mental transition from hoping to win to expecting to win.

David Collinge · January 10, 2007, 11:07:20 AM

Chicago also made the biggest gain of any team in the poll this week, a fact I pointed out in my Daily Dose post.

atn alum · January 21, 2007, 05:06:45 PM

Alright folks...this board's pretty dead, but maybe we can liven it up over next 24 hours...

If you're out there and think your team should be #1 in the country, state your case...give us some hard facts to support it, not trash talk...

I vote, and I have no idea which way I'm gonna go...

Should I give Bowdoin a mulligan?? Should I bump up Calvin, Howard Payne or Chicago?? Should I follow standard op procedure and pick Scranton...And what to do with Maine Maritime??

Anyone out there with a thought?

roaring0506 · January 21, 2007, 06:24:11 PM

Well atnwriter...
I'm not going to put my stake on the #1 spot in the poll... however, I am going to put my case in to get DePauw back into the top 10 (5th or 6th would be okay... shoot they at least deserve to be 7th).

Here are my points:

-->DePauw's two losses have come at the hands of #19 Illinois Wesleyan (15-1) and RV SCAC conference foe Oglethorpe. (Illinois Wesleyan's only loss was to Oglethorpe.) DPU's loss to OU was on a last second shot - DePauw didn't play well for the first 30 minutes of the game. They will get a little revenge when the Petrels come to Indiana Feb 18.

-->DePauw leads the country in 2pt FG% and are second in 3pt FG% (49.5% and 42.6%). They are 3rd in scoring margin at 25.5... with the 34th toughest strength of schedule (Massey Rating).

-->They are an extremely deep team, who can hurt you in so many ways...

-->They have one of the finest coaches in the country in Kris Huffman.

-->They pride themselves on defense and fundamentals.

-->They have a constant rotation of 10 players, and will even go to 12 if they need to. (Twelve players play 10 minutes or more a game)

-->They're led by Pre-Season All-American Liz Bondi (senior), who averages 14.9 points and 5.9 rebounds in 23 minutes of play.

-->If you can stop Bondi, can you stop sophomore Cassie Pruzin (9.8 pts, 46.3% 3FG, 3.3 asst, 4.6 reb), senior Caitlin McGonigal (8.2 pts, 40.8% 3FG), 6-3 senior Bridget Bailey (7.2 pts, 4 reb, 1.3 bpg), junior Kalei Lowes (7.1 pts, 48.7% 3FG), senior Suzy Doughty (7.0 pts, 6.2 asst, 2.83 spg), or junior Gretchen Haehl (6.7 pts, 46.5% 3FG)? Not to mention the talented freshman trio of 6-1 Emily Marshall (6.5 pts, 5.4 reb), 5-11 Jenna Fernandez (6.4 pts, 2.4 reb), and 6-0 Meghan Warner (5.5 pts, 3.5 reb).

I could make several other points to get them into the top 5, 6, 7 position... but the voters are going to vote how they want to vote. Maybe DePauw will keep winning.. and keep slipping in the poll - kinda like they did last week. That way, once they get into the tournament... people will wonder where they came from. Sarcasm... maybe a little bit. This team is the real deal... and is in my opinion worthy of a top 6 position.

bbald eagle · January 21, 2007, 06:35:15 PM

Quote from: atnwriter on January 21, 2007, 05:06:45 PM

Should I give Bowdoin a mulligan?? ... And what to do with Maine Maritime??

Anyone out there with a thought?

The Maine referees give Bowdoin enough mulligans, there is no need or reason for you to do the same.

Maine Maritime? Give them a well-deserved congratulatory placement in the 8 - 12 range, probably right above Bowdoin, and the opportunity to move up.

atn alum · January 21, 2007, 06:48:57 PM

Good to see that there's no lingering bitterness, Balder Eagle

Believe me, I am well aware of your point of view...no need to repeat it here. Please stick to the questions asked...

Pat Coleman · January 21, 2007, 07:04:52 PM

Before this week the best team, by far, that Maine Maritime had played was Keene State.

I saw Keene State yesterday. This is not a Top 75 opponent.

David beat Goliath somehow but that isn't a bye to the Top 10 in my mind. They will absolutely be on my Top 25 ballot, however. That's deserved.

martin · January 21, 2007, 07:14:12 PM

Some thoughts about Chicago -

I don't want to see them ranked #1 - maybe next weekend after they play Brandeis and NYU.

Scranton's loss was to Rochester 69-51. Rochester just had a bad weekend - lost to Chicago and Washington. Wash should be back in the top 15. Should Scranton be that many spots ahead of Chicago?

Two one loss teams that were ranked ahead of Chicago lost to teams that Chicago beat badly - Wilmington (lost to Wittenberg) and Calvin (lost to Wheaton (IL)).

I know some voters think they were burned by the Maroons last year. It may be time to realize how good this Chicago team is. It is the quickest team I have seen in some time.

newtonnancy · January 21, 2007, 07:44:18 PM

Well AWESOME performance, period

They may not want it but at least in the WBCA Poll with Bowdoin, Rochester, Hope going down and Scranton squeaking out a 1 point victory, it will be a first, THE MAROONS WILL BE #1 IN THE COUNTRY

HPU75 · January 21, 2007, 07:57:36 PM

atnwriter: I gave my logic for my school HOWARD PAYNE on the ASC board--move us up but even I can't argue #1 yet!! If we beat HSU and McMurry twice each in the next 2 weeks I will be making a plea!! As I said over there, I think maybe the ASC teams need another FINAL FOUR to solidify our national rep--however, I do think our top teams can play with anyone!