Top 25 discussion

Started by Pat Coleman, February 02, 2005, 12:01:07 AM

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deiscanton

Final from St. Louis--

Wash U 57, #1 NYU 56

NYU goes 0-2 in the Midwest trip in the UAA this year after only losing 1 UAA game all of last season.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1618New York University11-2LOST at #15 Chicago, 57-71; LOST at Washington U., 56-57
#2594Trinity (Texas)17-0won at Texas Lutheran, 76-65; won at Southwestern, 125-89
#3563Transylvania16-0won at Mount St. Joseph, 69-56; def. Anderson, 89-63
#4552Christopher Newport16-001/09 at William Peace canceled; won at T#32 Mary Washington, 69-49; def. Salisbury, 86-38
#5525Hope14-2def. Adrian, 91-45; LOST at Albion, 53-69
#6512Scranton15-0def. T#30 Elizabethtown, 87-67; def. (n) Susquehanna, 64-48
#7474Baldwin Wallace14-1LOST at #18 Ohio Northern, 51-53; def. Capital, 65-50
#8446Smith14-1won at Hamilton, 68-52; def. MIT, 64-53
#9398DeSales15-0won at Delaware Valley, 68-43; def. Arcadia, 81-37
#10377Rochester13-1def. Case Western Reserve, 77-50; def. Carnegie Mellon, 90-64
#11336Trine13-3won at Alma, 66-53; won at Kalamazoo, 84-16
#12330Babson12-1def. T#27 Springfield, 75-55
#13290UW-Whitewater13-4def. UW-Oshkosh, 66-56; LOST at UW-Stout, 65-72
#14286UW-Eau Claire14-3won at UW-Platteville, 75-59; def. UW-Stevens Point, 57-38
#15282Chicago13-1def. #1 New York University, 71-57; def. Brandeis, 80-56
#16269Hardin-Simmons14-2won at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 87-78; won at Concordia (Texas), 84-78
#17215Trinity (Conn.)14-1def. Connecticut College, 56-51
#18214Ohio Northern14-1def. #7 Baldwin Wallace, 53-51; def. Muskingum, 65-47
#19189Puget Sound13-2won at T#40 Pacific, 63-51; won at Linfield, 76-44
#20128Mary Hardin-Baylor12-4LOST to #16 Hardin-Simmons, 78-87; def. McMurry, 71-60
#2197Amherst12-4won at Worcester State, 72-53; LOST to #26 Tufts, 54-56; def. Bates, 52-48
#2276Loras13-3def. Dubuque, 63-39; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 91-43
#2351Ithaca12-2won at Rochester Tech, 67-33; def. St. Lawrence, 75-60; def. Clarkson, 76-26
#2442Calvin12-3won at Adrian, 73-48
#2539Bowdoin11-5won at Southern Maine, 76-39; LOST to Middlebury, 68-84; LOST to Williams, 40-48


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2630Tufts11-5won at #21 Amherst, 56-54; LOST at Hamilton, 43-59
T#2726Messiah14-2def. Alvernia, 56-48; def. Lebanon Valley, 69-47
T#2726Springfield11-5LOST at #12 Babson, 55-75; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 69-62
#2925Washington and Jefferson15-1won at Bethany, 54-51; won at Grove City, 59-48
T#3018Elizabethtown13-1won at Juniata, 78-51; LOST at #6 Scranton, 67-87
T#3018Gustavus Adolphus11-2won at St. Scholastica, 75-48; won at St. Catherine, 76-31
T#3217Emory10-2def. Carnegie Mellon, 68-66; def. Case Western Reserve, 78-58
T#3217Mary Washington15-3def. Stevenson, 91-45; LOST to #4 Christopher Newport, 49-69; def. Averett, 76-34
#3410UW-Oskhosh11-5LOST at #13 UW-Whitewater, 56-66; def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 61-53
T#358East Texas Baptist12-4LOST to Texas-Dallas, 55-71; def. University of the Ozarks, 79-39
T#358UC Santa Cruz11-4def. Lincoln (Calif.), 85-48
#376Millikin13-3def. Illinois Wesleyan, 66-57; won at North Central (Ill.), 72-57
#385Cortland13-2def. Brockport, 81-50; def. Oswego State, 75-30
#393LaVerne15-1def. Caltech, 80-51; def. Bethesda, 107-56
T#402Pacific11-4LOST to #19 Puget Sound, 51-63; LOST at Willamette, 57-63
T#402UW-La Crosse14-3def. UW-Stout, 72-54; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 53-61
#421Wartburg12-4won at Coe, 78-58; won at Buena Vista, 85-66

Augie2020

Nice job Darryl!Thank you for sharing!

gordonmann

Here are a few notes on this week's Top 25.

Trinity (Texas) ascends to the top spot in our poll for the first time since the Tigers were defending national champions back in the 2003-2004 season. That season Trinity opened the season ranked No. 2 behind the Eastern Connecticut team they beat for the national title the season before; got to the top spot before the semester break; and finished 12th.

Smith reaches its highest ranking ever, checking in at No. 5. DeSales is just one spot off its highest ranking ever at No. 6. Trinity (Conn.) stays at No. 17, which is the Bantams' highest ranking ever.

Washington & Jefferson is ranked for the first time since the 2009-10 season. The Presidents are the first PAC team not named Thomas More to reach the rankings since St. Vincent was ranked during the 2011-12 season.

Amherst drops out of the poll, ending a 208-ranking streak that goes back to January 14, 2008. The longest consecutive ranking streak now belongs to Hope (137 weeks and counting).


scottiedawg

# Biggest Vote Gainers
Chicago: +105
Ithaca: +95
Ohio Northern: +89
Rochester: +71
DeSales: +61
Smith: +53
Scranton: +40
Trinity (Conn): +39
Loras: +37
Calvin: +34
Christopher Newport: +33
Babson: +31
Hardin-Simmons: +31
Transylvania: +27
Trinity (Texas): +21
Messiah: +20
Cortland: +13
Millikin: +12
Washington & Jefferson: +11
La Verne: +11
Puget Sound: +9
Gustavus Adolphus: +5
Emory: +5
UW-La Crosse: +4
Trine: +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Wartburg: +2
Berea: +2
WashU: +1

# Biggest Vote Decliners
New York University: -183
Hope: -135
UW-Whitewater: -130
Baldwin Wallace: -116
Amherst: -78
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -76
Bowdoin: -37
UW-Eau Claire: -28
Tufts: -25
Springfield: -23
Mary Washington: -17
Elizabethtown: -13
UW-Oshkosh: -5
East Texas Baptist: -3
Pacific: -2

Augie2020

#2885
Ok voters I have a ?-So NYU gets beat twice by #15Chicago by 14 and NR WashU by 1 both away and moves from#1to#8 so 13-2,Hope already has a loss plays at NR Albion gets smacked by 16 goes from 5th to 9th,7th ranked BW goes to #18 ONU gets beat by 2 and moves from 7th to 12th.Mind you in your pt system BW -116,Hope-135,NYU -183.So why did the voters take if much harder on say BW then NYU 2 )losses and Hope 1 lose also Amherst with another loss make that 4 on the year only loses -73pts.

scottiedawg

As you pointed out yourself, the voters in fact did not take it harder on BW than NYU/Hope!

Augie2020

Well if you look at BW for a 1 game loss to #18 by 2 loses 116pts,Hope loses to an unranked team and only loses 135pts so are you saying that losing to a ranked team is worse then losing to unranked team so 17 pts separate s from a 2 pt loss to a ranked team to 16 pt blowout to unranked team?

Roundball999

Quote from: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 12:29:18 PM
Well if you look at BW for a 1 game loss to #18 by 2 loses 116pts,Hope loses to an unranked team and only loses 135pts so are you saying that losing to a ranked team is worse then losing to unranked team so 17 pts separate s from a 2 pt loss to a ranked team to 16 pt blowout to unranked team?

I would imagine (and expect) the voters are a little more nuanced, looking at the totality of the season, SoS etc, not just the last game results.

Augie2020

Okay Thanks Roundball makes more sense .Looking at the big picture!

Pat Coleman

It might also make sense to look at it in terms of percentage. NYU had many more points to lose.


NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%
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deiscanton

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2023, 04:50:58 PM
It might also make sense to look at it in terms of percentage. NYU had many more points to lose.


NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%

Amherst lost the most of the 4 teams mentioned in the original post that set up this discussion in terms of percentage in dropping out of the top 25 completely:

Amherst lost 78 of 97:  80.4%

Augie2020

Thanks guys!Speaking of Amherst I can't believe they have 6'6"player  am I seeing that right?

gordonmann

Correct, Alix Stuart is 6'6"