Top 25 discussion

[deiscanton]

Final from St. Louis--

Wash U 57, #1 NYU 56

NYU goes 0-2 in the Midwest trip in the UAA this year after only losing 1 UAA game all of last season.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	618	New York University	11-2	LOST at #15 Chicago, 57-71; LOST at Washington U., 56-57
#2	594	Trinity (Texas)	17-0	won at Texas Lutheran, 76-65; won at Southwestern, 125-89
#3	563	Transylvania	16-0	won at Mount St. Joseph, 69-56; def. Anderson, 89-63
#4	552	Christopher Newport	16-0	01/09 at William Peace canceled; won at T#32 Mary Washington, 69-49; def. Salisbury, 86-38
#5	525	Hope	14-2	def. Adrian, 91-45; LOST at Albion, 53-69
#6	512	Scranton	15-0	def. T#30 Elizabethtown, 87-67; def. (n) Susquehanna, 64-48
#7	474	Baldwin Wallace	14-1	LOST at #18 Ohio Northern, 51-53; def. Capital, 65-50
#8	446	Smith	14-1	won at Hamilton, 68-52; def. MIT, 64-53
#9	398	DeSales	15-0	won at Delaware Valley, 68-43; def. Arcadia, 81-37
#10	377	Rochester	13-1	def. Case Western Reserve, 77-50; def. Carnegie Mellon, 90-64
#11	336	Trine	13-3	won at Alma, 66-53; won at Kalamazoo, 84-16
#12	330	Babson	12-1	def. T#27 Springfield, 75-55
#13	290	UW-Whitewater	13-4	def. UW-Oshkosh, 66-56; LOST at UW-Stout, 65-72
#14	286	UW-Eau Claire	14-3	won at UW-Platteville, 75-59; def. UW-Stevens Point, 57-38
#15	282	Chicago	13-1	def. #1 New York University, 71-57; def. Brandeis, 80-56
#16	269	Hardin-Simmons	14-2	won at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 87-78; won at Concordia (Texas), 84-78
#17	215	Trinity (Conn.)	14-1	def. Connecticut College, 56-51
#18	214	Ohio Northern	14-1	def. #7 Baldwin Wallace, 53-51; def. Muskingum, 65-47
#19	189	Puget Sound	13-2	won at T#40 Pacific, 63-51; won at Linfield, 76-44
#20	128	Mary Hardin-Baylor	12-4	LOST to #16 Hardin-Simmons, 78-87; def. McMurry, 71-60
#21	97	Amherst	12-4	won at Worcester State, 72-53; LOST to #26 Tufts, 54-56; def. Bates, 52-48
#22	76	Loras	13-3	def. Dubuque, 63-39; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 91-43
#23	51	Ithaca	12-2	won at Rochester Tech, 67-33; def. St. Lawrence, 75-60; def. Clarkson, 76-26
#24	42	Calvin	12-3	won at Adrian, 73-48
#25	39	Bowdoin	11-5	won at Southern Maine, 76-39; LOST to Middlebury, 68-84; LOST to Williams, 40-48

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	30	Tufts	11-5	won at #21 Amherst, 56-54; LOST at Hamilton, 43-59
T#27	26	Messiah	14-2	def. Alvernia, 56-48; def. Lebanon Valley, 69-47
T#27	26	Springfield	11-5	LOST at #12 Babson, 55-75; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 69-62
#29	25	Washington and Jefferson	15-1	won at Bethany, 54-51; won at Grove City, 59-48
T#30	18	Elizabethtown	13-1	won at Juniata, 78-51; LOST at #6 Scranton, 67-87
T#30	18	Gustavus Adolphus	11-2	won at St. Scholastica, 75-48; won at St. Catherine, 76-31
T#32	17	Emory	10-2	def. Carnegie Mellon, 68-66; def. Case Western Reserve, 78-58
T#32	17	Mary Washington	15-3	def. Stevenson, 91-45; LOST to #4 Christopher Newport, 49-69; def. Averett, 76-34
#34	10	UW-Oskhosh	11-5	LOST at #13 UW-Whitewater, 56-66; def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 61-53
T#35	8	East Texas Baptist	12-4	LOST to Texas-Dallas, 55-71; def. University of the Ozarks, 79-39
T#35	8	UC Santa Cruz	11-4	def. Lincoln (Calif.), 85-48
#37	6	Millikin	13-3	def. Illinois Wesleyan, 66-57; won at North Central (Ill.), 72-57
#38	5	Cortland	13-2	def. Brockport, 81-50; def. Oswego State, 75-30
#39	3	LaVerne	15-1	def. Caltech, 80-51; def. Bethesda, 107-56
T#40	2	Pacific	11-4	LOST to #19 Puget Sound, 51-63; LOST at Willamette, 57-63
T#40	2	UW-La Crosse	14-3	def. UW-Stout, 72-54; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 53-61
#42	1	Wartburg	12-4	won at Coe, 78-58; won at Buena Vista, 85-66

[Augie2020]

Nice job Darryl!Thank you for sharing!

[gordonmann]

Here are a few notes on this week's Top 25.

Trinity (Texas) ascends to the top spot in our poll for the first time since the Tigers were defending national champions back in the 2003-2004 season. That season Trinity opened the season ranked No. 2 behind the Eastern Connecticut team they beat for the national title the season before; got to the top spot before the semester break; and finished 12th.

Smith reaches its highest ranking ever, checking in at No. 5. DeSales is just one spot off its highest ranking ever at No. 6. Trinity (Conn.) stays at No. 17, which is the Bantams' highest ranking ever.

Washington & Jefferson is ranked for the first time since the 2009-10 season. The Presidents are the first PAC team not named Thomas More to reach the rankings since St. Vincent was ranked during the 2011-12 season.

Amherst drops out of the poll, ending a 208-ranking streak that goes back to January 14, 2008. The longest consecutive ranking streak now belongs to Hope (137 weeks and counting).

[scottiedawg]

# Biggest Vote Gainers
Chicago: +105
Ithaca: +95
Ohio Northern: +89
Rochester: +71
DeSales: +61
Smith: +53
Scranton: +40
Trinity (Conn): +39
Loras: +37
Calvin: +34
Christopher Newport: +33
Babson: +31
Hardin-Simmons: +31
Transylvania: +27
Trinity (Texas): +21
Messiah: +20
Cortland: +13
Millikin: +12
Washington & Jefferson: +11
La Verne: +11
Puget Sound: +9
Gustavus Adolphus: +5
Emory: +5
UW-La Crosse: +4
Trine: +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Wartburg: +2
Berea: +2
WashU: +1

# Biggest Vote Decliners
New York University: -183
Hope: -135
UW-Whitewater: -130
Baldwin Wallace: -116
Amherst: -78
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -76
Bowdoin: -37
UW-Eau Claire: -28
Tufts: -25
Springfield: -23
Mary Washington: -17
Elizabethtown: -13
UW-Oshkosh: -5
East Texas Baptist: -3
Pacific: -2

[Augie2020]

Ok voters I have a ?-So NYU gets beat twice by #15Chicago by 14 and NR WashU by 1 both away and moves from#1to#8 so 13-2,Hope already has a loss plays at NR Albion gets smacked by 16 goes from 5th to 9th,7th ranked BW goes to #18 ONU gets beat by 2 and moves from 7th to 12th.Mind you in your pt system BW -116,Hope-135,NYU -183.So why did the voters take if much harder on say BW then NYU 2 )losses and Hope 1 lose also Amherst with another loss make that 4 on the year only loses -73pts.

[scottiedawg]

As you pointed out yourself, the voters in fact did not take it harder on BW than NYU/Hope!

[Augie2020]

Well if you look at BW for a 1 game loss to #18 by 2 loses 116pts,Hope loses to an unranked team and only loses 135pts so are you saying that losing to a ranked team is worse then losing to unranked team so 17 pts separate s from a 2 pt loss to a ranked team to 16 pt blowout to unranked team?

[Roundball999]

Well if you look at BW for a 1 game loss to #18 by 2 loses 116pts,Hope loses to an unranked team and only loses 135pts so are you saying that losing to a ranked team is worse then losing to unranked team so 17 pts separate s from a 2 pt loss to a ranked team to 16 pt blowout to unranked team?

I would imagine (and expect) the voters are a little more nuanced, looking at the totality of the season, SoS etc, not just the last game results.

[Augie2020]

Okay Thanks Roundball makes more sense .Looking at the big picture!

[Pat Coleman]

It might also make sense to look at it in terms of percentage. NYU had many more points to lose.


NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%

[Augie2020]

Thanks got it !

[deiscanton]

It might also make sense to look at it in terms of percentage. NYU had many more points to lose.


NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%

Amherst lost the most of the 4 teams mentioned in the original post that set up this discussion in terms of percentage in dropping out of the top 25 completely:

Amherst lost 78 of 97:  80.4%

[Augie2020]

Thanks guys!Speaking of Amherst I can't believe they have 6'6"player  am I seeing that right?

[gordonmann]

Correct, Alix Stuart is 6'6"