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scottiedawg

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
A couple of those teams aren't top of their region (not counting Babson who's behind Smith) in the new rankings. Hope is 3rd in R7 behind Ohio Northern (.870, .587, 4-2) and Baldwin Wallace (.870, .577, 4-2). Trinity (CT) is behind Tufts (.750, .655, 6-5) in R1. And just to include every region, tops in R8 and R9 are Transylvania (1.000, .530, 1-0) and UW-Whitewater (.792, .653, 7-2)

Yup, here's a new order I'm working with:
Smith
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Babson
Trinity (Texas)
Trinity (Conn)
Ithaca
Ohio Northern
Hope
Tufts
Transylvania
Chicago
Baldwin Wallace
UW-Whitewater

Augie2020

Watched the last 2 quarters of Whitwater at Plateville game.Was not impressed by Whitewater.Scottiedawg do you still have them in your top 16 teams  and why ?

scottiedawg

Quote from: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
Watched the last 2 quarters of Whitwater at Plateville game.Was not impressed by Whitewater.Scottiedawg do you still have them in your top 16 teams  and why ?

I do. I have them 15th right now.

I think both Tufts and Whitewater have very strong resumes. Even though both are likely to have the lowest Winning% among hosts, their resumes are:

Tufts: ( 750 / 655 / 8-5 )
Whitewater: ( 760 / 642 / 8-3 )

Most of the other potential hosts have either worse SOS, worse wins vRRO, or worse in both.

Tonight's top 16 reveal will be very telling as to how the National Committee will be relatively valuing this type of resume.

For me both are wildly better resumes than say Messiah: ( 917 / 519 / 3-2 ) or Rhode Island College: ( 875 / 577 / 2-3 )

FCGrizzliesGrad

Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)

9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)

9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago

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Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville (with results/schedule from this week added):

1) Smith - won vs Emerson, 2/18 @ Wellesley
2) Scranton - won @ Moravian, 2/18 vs Juniata
3) Christopher Newport - won vs Mary Washington
4) NYU - 2/17 @ Emory, 2/19 @ Rochester
5) Transylvania - won @ Hanover, 2/17 vs Earlham
6) UW-Whitewater - lost @ UW Platteville
7) Babson - won vs MIT, 2/18 @ WPI
8) Trinity (TX) - 2/17 vs Texas Lutheran, 2/18 vs Southwestern
9) Ohio Northern - won @ Heidleberg, 2/18 @ Muskingum
10) Tufts - 2/18 vs Bowdoin
11) WashU - 2/17 va CWRU, 2/19 vs CMU
12) Trinity (CT) - 2/18 vs Amherst
13) Baldwin Wallace - lost @ John Carroll, 2/18 @ Capital
14) Ithaca - 2/17 @ Bard, 2/18 @ Vassar
15) Hope - won @ Adrian, 2/18 vs Kalamazoo
16) Chicago - 2/17 vs CMU, 2/19 vs CWRU
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scottiedawg

Bard game gonna hammer Ithaca's SOS.

And unless Ithaca plays Skidmore in the Liberty tournament, Ithaca will be stuck on 4 wins vRRO (potentially less if Skidmore falls out of the rankings too).

Hope's wins vRRO are pretty safe, and we should get a chance to add 1 more.

Hope's path to moving to 12th or 11th seems decently likely. But not sure that matters. Whether 9th-11th or 14th-16th I think our geography makes being an opening weekend host very likely.

ronk

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)

9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago

My 1st pass at 2nd weekend bracket possibilities:

Smith - Chicago; Trinity(TX) - Wash U @Wash U(3rd seed) to limit airplane flights to 2
Ohio Northern - Tufts; Trinity(CT) - Scranton @ Scranton
CNU - Ithaca; Babson- NYU @ NYU
UW-Whitewater - Ohio Northern; Hope - Transylvania @ Transylvania

Complicated by Smith, Tufts, Babson, Trinity(CT) have already played each other this season.

scottiedawg

I don't have a feel for how much they will attempt to limit Sectional flights. Cause they can probably keep it to just any Texas schools.

saratoga


Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting.  ;)

Augie2020

Scottiedawg-Will the 16 come out again this week?If so will Wash U,Ithaca and Ohio Northern move out?

ronk

Quote from: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 06:29:08 PM

Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting.  ;)

Remember this is the 2nd weekend; they would be in separate pods for the 1st weekend.
With today's results, Ithaca would drop out of the top 16 and Amherst will struggle with getting a Pool C.
Will revise after this coming week's games.

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How They Fared (Complete)

UCSC @ Dominican tipped at 2:00 PST; will add that result later.

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1614Christopher Newport24-0def. Mary Washington, 74-49
#2588Transylvania25-0won at Hanover, 73-56; def. Earlham, 100-39
#3575Scranton25-0won at Moravian, 73-45; def. Juniata, 70-45
#4536Trinity (Texas)24-1def. Texas Lutheran, 61-59; def. Southwestern, 125-64
#5524Smith24-1def. Emerson, 80-45; won at Wellesley, 74-31
#6511New York University21-2won at #33 Emory, 64-60; won at T#38 Rochester, 72-62
#7481Hope23-2won at Adrian, 84-54; def. Kalamazoo, 108-41
#8440Hardin-Simmons23-2def. Concordia (Texas), 91-41; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-67
#9427DeSales24-1def. #27 Stevens, 61-50; won at Arcadia, 86-37
#10371Ithaca22-3won at Bard, 77-20; LOST at Vassar, 71-75
#11287Ohio Northern21-4won at Heidelberg, 63-47; LOST at Muskingum, 83-89 2OT
#12284Baldwin Wallace21-4LOST at John Carroll, 86-89; won at Capital, 54-50
#13276Messiah23-2def. Stevenson, 56-44; won at Lebanon Valley, 55-49
#14268Gustavus Adolphus23-2won at Hamline, 64-41; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 75-51
#15249Trine20-5won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 85-49; def. Adrian, 70-37
#16246UW-Whitewater19-6LOST at UW-Platteville, 52-61
#17240Babson21-4def. MIT, 84-60; won at WPI, 86-60
#18237Chicago20-4def. Carnegie Mellon, 84-78 OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 76-64
#19156Trinity (Conn.)21-4def. Amherst, 58-57
#20146Wartburg20-5def. Coe, 71-53; LOST at #24 Loras, 55-63
#21122Puget Sound21-4won at Pacific Lutheran, 69-45; won at Lewis and Clark, 91-57
#22115Washington U.17-7LOST to Case Western Reserve, 57-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 98-93
#2373Calvin20-5won at Kalamazoo, 82-45; won at Albion, 71-65
#2455Loras21-4won at Dubuque, 62-45; def. #20 Wartburg, 63-55
#2550Millikin21-4def. Elmhurst, 101-28; won at Carroll, 58-49


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2647Washington and Jefferson23-2def. Geneva, 87-64; def. Grove City, 65-53
#2726Stevens21-4LOST at #9 DeSales, 50-61; def. Lycoming, 74-55
T#2823Elizabethtown21-3won at Drew, 87-65; won at Goucher, 74-56
T#2823La Verne23-2def. Occidental, 71-53; won at Redlands, 82-75
#3021UW-Eau Claire18-7LOST at UW-Stout, 45-63
T#3116SUNY New Paltz22-3won at Plattsburgh State, 90-57; won at SUNY Potsdam, 67-56
T#3116Tufts19-6def. Bowdoin, 75-61
#3315Emory16-7LOST to #6 New York University, 60-64; def. Brandeis, 76-53
T#3414East Texas Baptist18-6won at University of the Ozarks, 77-55; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 51-52
T#3414UC Santa Cruz17-6LOST at Dominican (Cal.), 69-74
T#369Concordia-Moorhead21-4def. Carleton, 79-49; def. Hamline, 86-76
T#369St. John Fisher23-2won at Sage, 78-58; won at Hartwick, 64-36
T#388Rochester16-8def. Brandeis, 81-70; LOST to #6 New York University, 62-72
T#388UW-Oshkosh18-7def. UW-Stevens Point, 69-38
#403Berea23-2def. Maryville (Tenn.), 77-30; won at Belhaven, 59-54
#412Roger Williams22-3def. Endicott, 58-35; def. Nichols, 104-76

Augie2020

Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2023, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 06:29:08 PM

Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting.  ;)

Remember this is the 2nd weekend; they would be in separate pods for the 1st weekend.
With today's results, Ithaca would drop out of the top 16 and Amherst will struggle with getting a Pool C.
Will revise after this coming week's games.
Ronk on Amherst -They are 26th in the pool C.They have 25 teams in front of them the last one in as of today would be Trine #19 in pool C at 20-5 S.O.S
530, RPI .645, 4-4 versus pro overall 20-5.Amherst 17-8-S.O.S 581,RPI .636 versus pro 4-4 overall 17-8.

scottiedawg

I feel like Amherst will be just fine.  With where Tufts was ranked in the Top 16 I feel like 680 / 582 / 6-3 will get in.