Top 25 discussion

[scottiedawg]

A couple of those teams aren't top of their region (not counting Babson who's behind Smith) in the new rankings. Hope is 3rd in R7 behind Ohio Northern (.870, .587, 4-2) and Baldwin Wallace (.870, .577, 4-2). Trinity (CT) is behind Tufts (.750, .655, 6-5) in R1. And just to include every region, tops in R8 and R9 are Transylvania (1.000, .530, 1-0) and UW-Whitewater (.792, .653, 7-2)

Yup, here's a new order I'm working with:
Smith
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Babson
Trinity (Texas)
Trinity (Conn)
Ithaca
Ohio Northern
Hope
Tufts
Transylvania
Chicago
Baldwin Wallace
UW-Whitewater

[Augie2020]

Watched the last 2 quarters of Whitwater at Plateville game.Was not impressed by Whitewater.Scottiedawg do you still have them in your top 16 teams  and why ?

[scottiedawg]

Watched the last 2 quarters of Whitwater at Plateville game.Was not impressed by Whitewater.Scottiedawg do you still have them in your top 16 teams  and why ?

I do. I have them 15th right now.

I think both Tufts and Whitewater have very strong resumes. Even though both are likely to have the lowest Winning% among hosts, their resumes are:

Tufts: ( 750 / 655 / 8-5 )
Whitewater: ( 760 / 642 / 8-3 )

Most of the other potential hosts have either worse SOS, worse wins vRRO, or worse in both.

Tonight's top 16 reveal will be very telling as to how the National Committee will be relatively valuing this type of resume.

For me both are wildly better resumes than say Messiah: ( 917 / 519 / 3-2 ) or Rhode Island College: ( 875 / 577 / 2-3 )

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)

9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)

9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville (with results/schedule from this week added):

1) Smith - won vs Emerson, 2/18 @ Wellesley
2) Scranton - won @ Moravian, 2/18 vs Juniata
3) Christopher Newport - won vs Mary Washington
4) NYU - 2/17 @ Emory, 2/19 @ Rochester
5) Transylvania - won @ Hanover, 2/17 vs Earlham
6) UW-Whitewater - lost @ UW Platteville
7) Babson - won vs MIT, 2/18 @ WPI
8) Trinity (TX) - 2/17 vs Texas Lutheran, 2/18 vs Southwestern
9) Ohio Northern - won @ Heidleberg, 2/18 @ Muskingum
10) Tufts - 2/18 vs Bowdoin
11) WashU - 2/17 va CWRU, 2/19 vs CMU
12) Trinity (CT) - 2/18 vs Amherst
13) Baldwin Wallace - lost @ John Carroll, 2/18 @ Capital
14) Ithaca - 2/17 @ Bard, 2/18 @ Vassar
15) Hope - won @ Adrian, 2/18 vs Kalamazoo
16) Chicago - 2/17 vs CMU, 2/19 vs CWRU

[scottiedawg]

Bard game gonna hammer Ithaca's SOS.

And unless Ithaca plays Skidmore in the Liberty tournament, Ithaca will be stuck on 4 wins vRRO (potentially less if Skidmore falls out of the rankings too).

Hope's wins vRRO are pretty safe, and we should get a chance to add 1 more.

Hope's path to moving to 12th or 11th seems decently likely. But not sure that matters. Whether 9th-11th or 14th-16th I think our geography makes being an opening weekend host very likely.

[ronk]

Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)

9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago

My 1st pass at 2nd weekend bracket possibilities:

Smith - Chicago; Trinity(TX) - Wash U @Wash U(3rd seed) to limit airplane flights to 2
Ohio Northern - Tufts; Trinity(CT) - Scranton @ Scranton
CNU - Ithaca; Babson- NYU @ NYU
UW-Whitewater - Ohio Northern; Hope - Transylvania @ Transylvania

Complicated by Smith, Tufts, Babson, Trinity(CT) have already played each other this season.

[scottiedawg]

I don't have a feel for how much they will attempt to limit Sectional flights. Cause they can probably keep it to just any Texas schools.

[saratoga]

Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting. 

[Augie2020]

Scottiedawg-Will the 16 come out again this week?If so will Wash U,Ithaca and Ohio Northern move out?

[ronk]

Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting. 

Remember this is the 2nd weekend; they would be in separate pods for the 1st weekend.
With today's results, Ithaca would drop out of the top 16 and Amherst will struggle with getting a Pool C.
Will revise after this coming week's games.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

UCSC @ Dominican tipped at 2:00 PST; will add that result later.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	614	Christopher Newport	24-0	def. Mary Washington, 74-49
#2	588	Transylvania	25-0	won at Hanover, 73-56; def. Earlham, 100-39
#3	575	Scranton	25-0	won at Moravian, 73-45; def. Juniata, 70-45
#4	536	Trinity (Texas)	24-1	def. Texas Lutheran, 61-59; def. Southwestern, 125-64
#5	524	Smith	24-1	def. Emerson, 80-45; won at Wellesley, 74-31
#6	511	New York University	21-2	won at #33 Emory, 64-60; won at T#38 Rochester, 72-62
#7	481	Hope	23-2	won at Adrian, 84-54; def. Kalamazoo, 108-41
#8	440	Hardin-Simmons	23-2	def. Concordia (Texas), 91-41; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-67
#9	427	DeSales	24-1	def. #27 Stevens, 61-50; won at Arcadia, 86-37
#10	371	Ithaca	22-3	won at Bard, 77-20; LOST at Vassar, 71-75
#11	287	Ohio Northern	21-4	won at Heidelberg, 63-47; LOST at Muskingum, 83-89 2OT
#12	284	Baldwin Wallace	21-4	LOST at John Carroll, 86-89; won at Capital, 54-50
#13	276	Messiah	23-2	def. Stevenson, 56-44; won at Lebanon Valley, 55-49
#14	268	Gustavus Adolphus	23-2	won at Hamline, 64-41; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 75-51
#15	249	Trine	20-5	won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 85-49; def. Adrian, 70-37
#16	246	UW-Whitewater	19-6	LOST at UW-Platteville, 52-61
#17	240	Babson	21-4	def. MIT, 84-60; won at WPI, 86-60
#18	237	Chicago	20-4	def. Carnegie Mellon, 84-78 OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 76-64
#19	156	Trinity (Conn.)	21-4	def. Amherst, 58-57
#20	146	Wartburg	20-5	def. Coe, 71-53; LOST at #24 Loras, 55-63
#21	122	Puget Sound	21-4	won at Pacific Lutheran, 69-45; won at Lewis and Clark, 91-57
#22	115	Washington U.	17-7	LOST to Case Western Reserve, 57-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 98-93
#23	73	Calvin	20-5	won at Kalamazoo, 82-45; won at Albion, 71-65
#24	55	Loras	21-4	won at Dubuque, 62-45; def. #20 Wartburg, 63-55
#25	50	Millikin	21-4	def. Elmhurst, 101-28; won at Carroll, 58-49

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	47	Washington and Jefferson	23-2	def. Geneva, 87-64; def. Grove City, 65-53
#27	26	Stevens	21-4	LOST at #9 DeSales, 50-61; def. Lycoming, 74-55
T#28	23	Elizabethtown	21-3	won at Drew, 87-65; won at Goucher, 74-56
T#28	23	La Verne	23-2	def. Occidental, 71-53; won at Redlands, 82-75
#30	21	UW-Eau Claire	18-7	LOST at UW-Stout, 45-63
T#31	16	SUNY New Paltz	22-3	won at Plattsburgh State, 90-57; won at SUNY Potsdam, 67-56
T#31	16	Tufts	19-6	def. Bowdoin, 75-61
#33	15	Emory	16-7	LOST to #6 New York University, 60-64; def. Brandeis, 76-53
T#34	14	East Texas Baptist	18-6	won at University of the Ozarks, 77-55; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 51-52
T#34	14	UC Santa Cruz	17-6	LOST at Dominican (Cal.), 69-74
T#36	9	Concordia-Moorhead	21-4	def. Carleton, 79-49; def. Hamline, 86-76
T#36	9	St. John Fisher	23-2	won at Sage, 78-58; won at Hartwick, 64-36
T#38	8	Rochester	16-8	def. Brandeis, 81-70; LOST to #6 New York University, 62-72
T#38	8	UW-Oshkosh	18-7	def. UW-Stevens Point, 69-38
#40	3	Berea	23-2	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 77-30; won at Belhaven, 59-54
#41	2	Roger Williams	22-3	def. Endicott, 58-35; def. Nichols, 104-76

[Augie2020]

Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting. 

Remember this is the 2nd weekend; they would be in separate pods for the 1st weekend.
With today's results, Ithaca would drop out of the top 16 and Amherst will struggle with getting a Pool C.
Will revise after this coming week's games.

Ronk on Amherst -They are 26th in the pool C.They have 25 teams in front of them the last one in as of today would be Trine #19 in pool C at 20-5 S.O.S
530, RPI .645, 4-4 versus pro overall 20-5.Amherst 17-8-S.O.S 581,RPI .636 versus pro 4-4 overall 17-8.

[scottiedawg]

I feel like Amherst will be just fine.  With where Tufts was ranked in the Top 16 I feel like 680 / 582 / 6-3 will get in.