Top 25 discussion

[newtonnancy]

looks like the UAA is hurting except for Rochester and NYU, but what you are saying is that the WASH U and Chicago will have a better QWI then Brandeis and NYU because of the weak teams that they play, I think all would agree that Rochester has played the toughest schedule

[Ralph Turner]

looks like the UAA is hurting except for Rochester and NYU, but what you are saying is that the WASH U and Chicago will have a better QWI then Brandeis and NYU because of the weak teams that they play, I think all would agree that Rochester has played the toughest schedule

Newton, I have not seen the QOWI for the UAA schools. The benefit to defeating weaker teams which raises your won-loss percentage actually benefits the teams that play you.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 Schedule and Scores, Feb. 5-11 (UPDATED with Saturday afternoon scores):      

#   1   Messiah (21-2) def. Susquehanna 52-40 and lost at Moravian 66-59
#   2   Bowdoin (22-1) def. Tufts 60-41 and hosts Bates Sat.
#   3   Calvin (21-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, won at Tri-State 58-44, and def. #9 Hope 63-58 (OT)
#   4   Southern Maine (21-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and def. Rhode Island College 67-57
#   5   Howard Payne (22-1) won at Concordia-Austin 80-49 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 65-58
#   6   Rochester (18-3) lost at #11 NYU 77-54 and plays at #21 Brandeis Sun.
#   7   Scranton (21-2) won at Wilkes 82-33 and def. Delaware Valley 64-60
#   8   DePauw (20-2) won at Hendrix 73-54 and plays at Austin Sun.
#   9   Hope (19-3) def. Olivet 78-70 and lost at #3 Calvin 63-58 (OT)
#   10   Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) lost to Millikin 67-49 and lost at Wheaton (IL) 67-56
#   11   NYU (19-2) def. #6 Rochester 77-54 and hosts Carnegie Mellon Sun.
#   12   UW-Stout (19-4) def. UW-Superior 79-51 and plays at UW-Stevens Point Sat.
#   13   McMurry (20-3) won at Texas Lutheran 82-55 and won at Schreiner 85-59
#   14   Mary Washington (21-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, won at Gallaudet 75-24, and def. Goucher 82-36
#   15   Wilmington (19-4) def. Ohio Northern 60-50 and lost at Mount Union 61-55
#   16   Hardin-Simmons (18-4) won at Schriener 102-71 and won at Texas Lutheran 90-37
#   17   Washington U. (16-5) def. Emory 62-50 and hosts Case Western Reserve Sun.
#   18   Emmanuel (20-1) won at Simmons 72-51 and won at Daniel Webster 69-46
#   19   Lake Forest (19-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and won at Grinnell 58-36
#   20   Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) lost to Otterbein 93-91 and won at Muskingum 81-71
#   21   Brandeis (16-4) def. Carnegie Mellon 74-48 and hosts #6 Rochester Sun.
#   22   Maine Maritime (20-2) lost to Maine-Farmington 53-46 and won at Wheelock 76-39
#   23   Chicago (17-4) def. Case Western Reserve 71-60 and hosts Emory Sun.
#   24   Capital (17-5) def. Mount Union 72-39 and lost at Ohio Northern 55-52
#   25   McDaniel (20-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and def. Muhlenberg 55-43

[HPU75]

Could someone please explain to me why the d3hoops poll  is listed  on the ncaa website as the wbca/usatoday poll?  I was looking for the regional rankings on WED. when they came out and was upset when I saw the top 25 poll there  showed that our HPU team was #5 rather than #4 as we are on the wbca this week.  I quickly realized, however, they used the wrong(but usually right!!) poll.  I agree that d3hoops is normally much more accurate--but I will take #4!!  WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?

[Ralph Turner]

Could someone please explain to me why the d3hoops poll  is listed  on the ncaa website as the wbca/usatoday poll?  I was looking for the regional rankings on WED. when they came out and was upset when I saw the top 25 poll there  showed that our HPU team was #5 rather than #4 as we are on the wbca this week.  I quickly realized, however, they used the wrong(but usually right!!) poll.  I agree that d3hoops is normally much more accurate--but I will take #4!!  WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?

They have assigned the same intern to the Women's Top 25 that was assigned to delivering the correct mileage data to the 2006 Football Championship Selection Committee!

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WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?

Jealousy! 

[Pat Coleman]

Could someone please explain to me why the d3hoops poll  is listed  on the ncaa website as the wbca/usatoday poll?  I was looking for the regional rankings on WED. when they came out and was upset when I saw the top 25 poll there  showed that our HPU team was #5 rather than #4 as we are on the wbca this week.  I quickly realized, however, they used the wrong(but usually right!!) poll.  I agree that d3hoops is normally much more accurate--but I will take #4!!  WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?

I don't know but I haven't complained. I am glad it's listed because otherwise it would not be at all.

[Ralph Turner]

There was an interesting comment by the voter on the women's Top 25 that made for interesting reflection.

That voter made the comment about the refereeing job on a Great Lakes/Midwest team going to Oglethorpe.

I flipped the comment and wondered about the challenges that southern teams have going north.

I wondered who made the GreatLakes/Midwest regions the "Keepers of Officiating Orthodoxy".

We have had debates about the styles of play from region to region.  I thought that UW-Stout women witnessed this when they came to Southwestern to play.

I will assume that most officials really want to call the game "right".  That being said, I would enjoy a Hoopsville Roundtable amongst the Coaches, maybe a Final Four weekends about Honest and Legitmate interpretations of styles of play from coaches that have coached in different parts of the country.

Not trying to call out a coach, but Southwestern's Pam Ruder has coached in Wisconsin and now Texas (WIAC and SCAC specifically).  What has she noticed about really good officials and what they think is a correct call in different parts of the country?  Are there any other coaches who have jumped around the country?

[Pat Coleman]

There was an interesting comment by the voter on the women's Top 25 that made for interesting reflection.

That voter made the comment about the refereeing job on a Great Lakes/Midwest team going to Oglethorpe.

I flipped the comment and wondered about the challenges that southern teams have going north.

I wondered who made the GreatLakes/Midwest regions the "Keepers of Officiating Orthodoxy".

Not sure anybody did. I think it might be possible to expect a similar disparity for a team coming in from far out of region to participate in any other part of the country as well.

[HPU75]

Pat and Ralph:

Thanks for your answer  to my question about the ncaa top 25  "poll" on their website.  That is still funny and sad at the same time to me.  How can you goof that up?

[mytwocents]

Comment on Women's voter #1 in the Around the Nation segment.  I would assume that person was the voter who gave Washington the #1 vote in the previous poll based upon "15. Washington University. I rated them too high last week but I still think they can be there at the end, so I put them 15th".  The voter than rated Illinois Wesleyan #1 in this weeks poll.  Both teams picked up a losses after getting the nod at #1 from this voter. Anyone reading this post should hope that woman's voter #1 doesn't tab your team #1 on the next poll. 

[Pat Coleman]

Funny thing is that this person has been voting since the beginning and is often far ahead of the curve on teams.

Perhaps too far this time? Not sure.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Funny thing is that this person has been voting since the beginning and is often far ahead of the curve on teams.

Perhaps too far this time? Not sure.

Do you recall if this was the same voter who placed Millikin #1 3 or 4 times two years ago?  (They were several slots below anyone else receiving a #1 vote, but, of course, went on to win it all.)

[Pat Coleman]

No, unfortunately that particular voter is no longer in Division III.

He also had UW-Stevens Point's women No. 1 in the 2001-02 preseason.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 Schedule and Scores, Feb. 5-11 (FINAL):      

#   1   Messiah (21-2) def. Susquehanna 52-40 and lost at Moravian 66-59
#   2   Bowdoin (23-1) def. Tufts 60-41 and def. Bates 78-47
#   3   Calvin (21-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, won at Tri-State 58-44, and def. #9 Hope 63-58 (OT)
#   4   Southern Maine (21-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and def. Rhode Island College 67-57
#   5   Howard Payne (22-1) won at Concordia-Austin 80-49 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 65-58
#   6   Rochester (18-4) lost at #11 NYU 77-54 and lost at #21 Brandeis 65-49
#   7   Scranton (21-2) won at Wilkes 82-33 and def. Delaware Valley 64-60
#   8   DePauw (20-3) won at Hendrix 73-54 and lost at Austin 61-57
#   9   Hope (19-3) def. Olivet 78-70 and lost at #3 Calvin 63-58 (OT)
#   10   Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) lost to Millikin 67-49 and lost at Wheaton (IL) 67-56
#   11   NYU (20-2) def. #6 Rochester 77-54 and def. Carnegie Mellon 86-66
#   12   UW-Stout (19-5) def. UW-Superior 79-51 and lost at UW-Stevens Point 74-71
#   13   McMurry (20-3) won at Texas Lutheran 82-55 and won at Schreiner 85-59
#   14   Mary Washington (21-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, won at Gallaudet 75-24, and def. Goucher 82-36
#   15   Wilmington (19-4) def. Ohio Northern 60-50 and lost at Mount Union 61-55
#   16   Hardin-Simmons (18-4) won at Schriener 102-71 and won at Texas Lutheran 90-37
#   17   Washington U. (17-5) def. Emory 62-50 and def. Case Western Reserve 67-56
#   18   Emmanuel (20-1) won at Simmons 72-51 and won at Daniel Webster 69-46
#   19   Lake Forest (19-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and won at Grinnell 58-36
#   20   Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) lost to Otterbein 93-91 and won at Muskingum 81-71
#   21   Brandeis (17-4) def. Carnegie Mellon 74-48 and def. #6 Rochester 65-49
#   22   Maine Maritime (20-2) lost to Maine-Farmington 53-46 and won at Wheelock 76-39
#   23   Chicago (17-5) def. Case Western Reserve 71-60 and lost to Emory 69-63
#   24   Capital (17-5) def. Mount Union 72-39 and lost at Ohio Northern 55-52
#   25   McDaniel (20-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and def. Muhlenberg 55-43

Collectively 39-13 overall and 36-10 against unranked teams.

[newtonnancy]

I am leaning toward the point a friend made who has gone to games with me and seen not only UC but Brandeis, NYU, Chicago, Wash U and now Emory, that the UAA is DOWN this year and that as a whole the UAA is NOT better top to bottom as some people have said. His point was that the top teams Wash U, NYU, Rochester and Brandeis and also UC are not as good as their respective teams last year (I disagree as I think UC is better, but it is tough to argue the others mentioned are as good as last year). Also, he feels Emory is not as strong as last year either saying they are must weaker in the low post, since I did not see Emory last season I don't know.....

Any thoughts on the above