Top 25 discussion

[newtonnancy]

Whoops, that was supposed to be ROCHESTER in the body not Chicago

[Balder Eagle]

Any thoughts on the above

yes ma'm, who gets the mulligans this week ......

[saratoga]

Pat: Is the women's Top 25 coming out today?

[Pat Coleman]

Waiting on the 25th vote.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (UPDATED with Tuesday scores--and postponement announcements)

#   1   Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
#   2   Calvin (21-1) hosts Olivet Wed. and plays at Alma Sat.
#   3   Howard Payne (22-1) hosts Schreiner Thu. and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
#   4   Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
#   5   Messiah (21-2) hosts Elizabethtown Tue.Wed. and hosts Widener Sat.
#   6   Scranton (21-2) plays at Lycoming Tue. and plays at DeSales Sat.
#   7   NYU (20-2) plays at Case Western Reserve Fri. and plays at Emory Sun.
#   8   Hope (19-3) hosts Alma Wed. and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
#   9   McMurry (20-3) hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Thu. and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
#   10   Mary Washington (21-2) hosts St. Mary's (MD) Wed. and plays at Catholic Sat.
#   11   DePauw (20-3) hosts Sewanee Fri. and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
#   12   Washington U. (17-5) plays at Carnegie Mellon Fri. and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
#   13   Hardin-Simmons (18-4) hosts Concordia-Austin Thu. and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
#   14   Brandeis (17-4) plays at Emory Fri. and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
#   15   Emmanuel (21-1) def. Babson 77-56, hosts Pine Manor Wed., and plays at Rivier Sat. (Tue. game vs. So. Vermont was ppd.)
#   16   Rochester (18-4) hosts Chicago Fri. and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
#   17   Lake Forest (19-2) plays at Monmouth Wed. and hosts Knox Sat.
#   18   UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
#   19   Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) plays at Augustana Tue.Wed. and hosts North Park Sat.
#   20   Wilmington (19-4) plays at Otterbein Wed. and hosts John Carroll Sat.
#   21   McDaniel (20-2) hosts Franklin & Marshall Tue., hosts Bryn Mawr Thu., and plays at Washington Coll. Sat.
#   22   Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) plays at John Carroll Wed. and hosts Marietta Sat.
#   23   Medaille (19-4) hosts La Roche Wed. and plays at Hilbert Sat.
#   24   Cortland St. (21-1) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, plays at Brockport St. Fri., and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
#   25   Fitchburg St. (22-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, hosts Massachusetts Coll. Thu., and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.

[NWFan]

No offense to any of the teams in the Top 25 but do the voters know that there are teams on the West Coast?  Is there any reason why there aren't any representatives from the SCIAC or the NWC in the poll? 

Puget Sound is 19-4 on the year with one of those losses being to the number 2 team in the country yet all they get is a couple votes.  It seems like some voters need to stay up past their bedtime once in a while and see what those of us on the left coast are up to! 

[Pat Coleman]

SCIAC -- the only team with fewer than eight losses lost to Wooster. Best non-conference win is against Whitworth (13-10). Got swept by Chapman. What are we missing with that conference exactly?

1.   La Verne   9   1   .900   641   559               16   5   .762   1413   1209
2.   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   7   3   .700   608   547               12   9   .571   1253   1170
3.   Redlands   6   4   .600   645   565               13   7   .650   1300   1133
   Occidental   6   4   .600   660   577               13   8   .619   1398   1217
5.   Cal Lutheran   5   5   .500   621   571               9   11   .450   1195   1214
6.   Whittier   3   7   .300   556   583               10   11   .476   1217   1177
7.   Pomona-Pitzer   2   8   .200   531   641               5   16   .238   1201   1353
   Caltech   2   8   .200   471   690               3   18   .143   1025   1443

Meanwhile, Puget Sound is making a great case for votes -- if you're George Fox.

[NWFan]

you weren't missing anything with the SCIAC, I just had to mention them so that they wouldn't moan about not getting respect from the NWC.  It was more of a preventative statement than anything. 

I just know from seeing the teams in person that the Loggers and Bruins are very good teams that have the potential to go far in the tournament.  I may end up eating crow in a month or so but it's worth standing up to represent our part of the country.

[David Collinge]

SCIAC -- the only team with fewer than eight losses lost to Wooster.

Hey! You say that like it's a bad thing! 

[Pat Coleman]

::shrugs::

Sorry ...

[TC HOOPS]

Pat I know Gwynedd Mercy College plays in the PAC conference which is having a down year but at 22-2 I don't get how they can't get into the Top 25. I see they FINALY got 1 vote to get into the teams to watch. They are ranked 3rd in the Mid-Atlantic behind Messiah and Scranton and Mcdaniel who is ranked 4th in the Mid Atlantic yet 21 in the D-3 poll. Gwynedd is 10th in the Nation in scoring margin so its not like they are just getting by these teams, you can only play who's on your schedule. And its the same team that lost to Scranton in the final mintutes last year in the 2nd round of the NCAA. Minus 1 starter from that team. So help me out I don't get how they are now only ranked 41 in the Nation. By the way you do a great job on this site.

[Pat Coleman]

GMC can only play who's on its schedule, but so do all the other teams. I'm not going to punish another team on my ballot to promote someone who's untested.

GMC does not have a single win against a team that got a single vote this week, and lost by 30 to a team (Kean) that is in and out of Others Receiving Votes. Seems reasonable to me.

[bbald eagle]

Some leagues start their tournaments this week, so the Week 11 poll is the last to include only regular season games. Here's a comparison of the Week 11 rankings with the preseason rankings and vice versa.

NR means not ranked.

Week 11

#  Preseason Team
        Rank
1         2       Bowdoin 
2       13       Calvin
3       18       Howard Payne
4         6       Southern Maine
5       10       Messiah 
6         1       Scranton 
7       NR       New York University 
8         4       Hope 
9       20       McMurry
10       8       Mary Washington 
11       3       DePauw 
12     12       Washington U.
13       7       Hardin-Simmons   
14     15       Brandeis 
15     NR       Emmanuel
16     14       Rochester 
17     NR       Lake Forest 
18     11       UW-Stout
19     NR       Illinois Wesleyan 
20     NR       Wilmington   
21     NR       McDaniel 
22       9       Baldwin-Wallace
23     24       Medaille 
24     NR       Cortland State 
25     NR       Fitchburg State 


PreSeason Rankings

# Week 11 Team
      Rank
1       6    Scranton
2       1    Bowdoin
3     11    DePauw 
4       8    Hope
5     NR    Wheaton (Ill.)
6       4    Southern Maine
7     13    Hardin-Simmons 
8     10    Mary Washington 
9     22    Baldwin-Wallace
10     5    Messiah 
11   18    UW-Stout 
12   12    Washington U.
13     2    Calvin 
14   16    Rochester 
15   14    Brandeis
16   NR    Pacific Lutheran 
17   NR    Williams 
18     3    Howard Payne 
19   NR    St. Benedict
20     9    McMurry 
21   NR    Bridgewater (Va.) 
22   NR    Trinity (Texas) 
23   NR    UW-La Crosse   
24   23    Medaille 
25   NR    Puget Sound

[TC HOOPS]

Pat yes GMC lost to Kean by 30 in the 2nd game of the year but were down by 2 at the half. The head coach was upset the way the starters played and benched them for the 2nd half, so that score is VERY misleading. And their other loss came in the last seconds. Messiah who was ranked #1, 5th this week played Albright twice and won by 3 and 10, GMC also played them twice and won by 2 and 12, not much diffrent. I am sure a lot of teams can compare scores like that but I am just trying to make a point that they deserve to be ranked higher then 41. There are 8 teams in the Top 25 with 4 or more losses. I know they play a tougher schedule but they lose at least 4 and pull off 1 or 2 big wins and get ranked for playing better teams. Ok I cried enough and probably did a bad job at making my point but time will tell when the NCAA start. Keep up the good work..

[jmw73]

Pat Coleman:

In the daily Dose, you forgot to mention Cortland State as a Debutante in the women's poll this week. They debuted at #24 after winning 21 straight after losing their opener. I hope you correct that oversight.