Top 25 discussion

[saratoga]

TC: As I mentioned to you before, Gwynned-Mercy has my vote right now at #20. Unfortunately, my vote doesn't count...so it's all nothing more than fairly educated assumptions and conjecture at this point. Gwynned will be invited to the Ball, then it's up to them to do something once there. I think that depending on where they are placed in a bracket...they certainly have the experience & talent to win a few games. On the other hand, your coach does need to schedule some tougher non-conference games to remedy the fears many voters have that are a result of the really inferrior quality of play that historically takes place in the PAC.

[TC HOOPS]

Saratoga - Your right on with everything you said. They are just going to have to prove it when the BIG dance starts. Thanks for your opinion.

[Dark Knight]

I am not saying they should be ranked in the Top 20 YET but being ranked at 41 in last weeks TOP 25 is a JOKE. Looking foward to the NCAA playoffs, goodluck to everyone.

Let's compare Gwenydd-Mercy's results with one of those teams you think you should be passing up, Puget Sound.

Results vs. Massey's	Puget Sound	Gwenydd-Mercy
Top 10	0-1	0-0
11..25	1-2	0-0
26..50	3-0	0-0
51..100	6-0	3-1
101..200	7-0	2-1
>200	2-0	16-0

Now I'm sure Gwenydd-Mercy has a fine team, and a 21-2 record is excellent, but you're right, you'll probably have to let your post-season play do your talking if you don't have any top-50 games in your schedule.

Puget Sound, on the other hand, has a perfect record against teams ranked >25 and a win against a top-25 team. I think they'd have a pretty good case to make for a top-25 ranking.

[Pat Coleman]

If I'm going to vote for someone new this week (and I didn't have Fitchburg or Cortland State on my ballot so I don't have those spots open), it's going to be Puget Sound or Mount St. Mary well ahead of Gwynedd-Mercy.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (FINAL)

#   1   Bowdoin (24-1) def. Trinity (CT) 61-50 (NESCAC quarterfinal)
#   2   Calvin (23-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and won at Alma 59-53
#   3   Howard Payne (24-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and won Texas Lutheran 83-36
#   4   Southern Maine (22-2) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and lost at Keene St. 62-50
#   5   Messiah (23-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and def. Widener 97-51
#   6   Scranton (23-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and won at DeSales 78-71
#   7   NYU (22-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and won at Emory 69-67
#   8   Hope (21-3) def. Alma 63-48 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 79-71
#   9   McMurry (22-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and def. Concordia-Austin 99-57
#   10   Mary Washington (23-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and won at Catholic 58-43
#   11   DePauw (22-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and def. Oglethorpe 95-58
#   12   Washington U. (19-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and won at #16 Rochester 66-51
#   13   Hardin-Simmons (20-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 89-61
#   14   Brandeis (19-4) won at Emory 58-51 and won at Case Western Reserve 74-61
#   15   Emmanuel (24-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and won at Rivier 89-63
#   16   Rochester (19-5) def. Chicago 64-59 and lost to #12 Washington U. 66-51
#   17   Lake Forest (21-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and def. Knox 98-55
#   18   UW-Stout (20-5) def. UW-La Crosse 72-68
#   19   Illinois Wesleyan (21-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and def. North Park 64-63
#   20   Wilmington (21-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and def. John Carroll 70-44
#   21   McDaniel (23-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, won at Washington Coll. 83-69, and def. Franklin & Marshall 86-72
#   22   Baldwin-Wallace (19-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and def. Marietta 84-39
#   23   Medaille (21-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and won at Hilbert 70-41
#   24   Cortland St. (22-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and def. Fredonia St. 72-49
#   25   Fitchburg St. (23-2) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and lost at Bridgewater St. 60-52

[TC HOOPS]

Pat Coleman??? WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy at 23-2. Can't wait till the NCAA starts only time will tell. You can't be that clueless then. You have at least 8 teams in the TOP 25 that have at least 4 losses and 5 of those teams have lost to sub 500 teams.

[Pat Coleman]

I think our rankings will hold up fine in the tournament. And if they don't, it will be because GMC didn't play a schedule worthy of its talent, not because I personally was "that clueless."

[Pat Coleman]

I get the impression you think this is one giant list of standings, ordered by winning percentage. It's not. Teams that play a significantly tougher schedule than GMC are likely to lose more games because of it. If they have quality wins, they are going to be rewarded. Whereas, if you play nobody in the Top 50, you're not going to be rewarded.

[TC HOOPS]

Gwynedd is the SAME team minus 1 starter from last year that took Scranton to the final seconds in the 2nd round of the NCAA last year on their home court. That didn't seem to help them in the pre season Top 25 this year, they couldn't even make it into the teams to watch. So at 23-2 they still can't, no BIG deal, lets just see what happenes in the dance. After they win their first 2 games then tell me they didn't play anyone.

[David Collinge]

Maybe the Gwynedd-Mercy women should get together with the Lake Erie men....

[TC HOOPS]

Pat and you also said that you would put Mount Saint Mary WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy. They played one common opponent and that would be Kings College who beat Mount Saint Mary by 10 on a netural court while GMC beat Kings by 15 on their home court. So I don't see how you can put them WAY ahead. And I KNOW you are FAR from " Clueless"

[ichouse]

Mount Saint Mary played that game without league MVP Lasheena Brown.

[TC HOOPS]

ichouse, ok thanks that would make a big diffrence. Meant no disrespect to Mount Saint Mary. I would just like to know how many teams in D-3 have a record of 23-2 and can't get into the Top 25.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat and you also said that you would put Mount Saint Mary WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy. They played one common opponent and that would be Kings College who beat Mount Saint Mary by 10 on a netural court while GMC beat Kings by 15 on their home court. So I don't see how you can put them WAY ahead. And I KNOW you are FAR from " Clueless"

Perhaps I can put them far ahead because they not only played Scranton, they beat them.

The question you should really be asking is how many teams would have a 23-2 record against the schedule that GMC has played. Many, many, many teams would.

[GAVA]

ichouse, ok thanks that would make a big diffrence. Meant no disrespect to Mount Saint Mary. I would just like to know how many teams in D-3 have a record of 23-2 and can't get into the Top 25.

Norwich?