Top 25 discussion

[TC HOOPS]

Dave see you made my point. You said MAYBE they would be looked at it they made it to the sweet 16, that means their record would be 27-2 and would have won 2 games in the NCAA and then just MAYBE they might get a look at being in the TOP 25. WOW thanks. MAYBE if they win it all they might be ranked 2nd. Great show last night by the way. You had a coach on from the mens side going thru the same problem, strenght of schedule and you seemed to take his side that you can only play who's on your schedule. Keep up the good work. Can't wait till they prove you and your sidekick wrong.

[GAVA]

He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville.   

So what was Pat's opinion?

Found it. Thanks. I agree.

Gava -- really, you should listen to Hoopsville. It's worth your time.

[saratoga]

Should it be the Mid-Atlantic vs. the Atlantic matchup this year...I think a great game would be Gwynned-Mercy vs. Mt.St.Mary's...assuming of course that opportunity presents itself.

[TC HOOPS]

Dave and enough with GMC losing to Kean by 30 in the 2nd game of the year, I heard that one from Pat. It was a 2 point game at the half and the GMC coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because he was pissed at the way they played the first half. It seems he got his message across to them since they went on to win their next 22 of 23 games. And could you tell me how they do the regional ranking? Because after the first regional rankings came out Gwynedd was raked 3rd behind Messiah and Scranton in the Mid-Atlantic. Then the 2nd ranking came out and they were 4th behind Mcdaniel even though both teams went 4-0 after the first ranking and played the same type teams. Is that done by a point system? Or does Pat have that much pull that he droped us? Thanks.

[David Collinge]

Hey, I wanna know why nobody gives any love to the Wooster women's team.  I mean, come on, if you think there's a better 14-11 team out there then you are just CLUELESS.  Yeah, they lost to Westminster, and Wittenberg, and Denison (twice), and Kenyon (twice), and Case and Whittier and Olivet and Allegheny and Ohio Wesleyan, but that's only because our best players all graduated during the past 20 years!  We only lost to Westminster by 5, and they only lost to Defiance by 12, and Defiance BEAT Capital, who is almost ranked!!!  And we got jacked by the officials, and our coach decided to bench our best players just because she's mean and vindictive, and besides, when we played at Denison the moon was on the cusp of Aquarius and all auspices were unfavorable!  Plus Pat hates us, of course.  If we had played anyone in the the top 25, we'd have beaten them for sure!  Just wait until the NCAA tournament, and we'll show you...if the HATERS let us play, that is!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

TC Hoop... while I agree you have to play who is on your schedule... I also asked the Lake Erie coach if he had plans to make his schedule stronger to get more respect. I will say the same to GMC... make your schedule stronger... and you will get more respect.

And I didn't prove your point by saying MAYBE. I was saying... if you go and show you are a good team by possibly getting to the Elite 8... then you will have proven your point. But right now, that point is extremely difficult to prove or gather any respect for. And I will bring up the 30 point example... because it proves two things. 1) Outside of the starters, GMC doesn't have much of a team... and 2) GMC has obviously had trouble playing as a team.

2 points at half time counts as much as leading a horse race on the back-stretch. Unless you are in the lead at the end... it doesn't matter!

Do us a favor... win out... get deep into the tournament... do more than almost beat Scranton in the tourney (like you keep refering to last year) and then let the voters come around. It's not going to happen anytime before that!

[saratoga]

Pat or Dave: Any idea how the Sectional matchups are expected to play out this year? Two years ago it was the Mid-Atlantic vs. the Northeast, last season it was Mid-Atlantic vs. the East...this year Mid-Atl. vs. Atlantic? Thanks.

[Pat Coleman]

This year's championships handbook doesn't list the regional rotation but if I go back to last year's, it says for 2007: Mid-Atlantic vs. Atlantic, Northeast vs. East, Great Lakes vs. South and West vs. Central.

I think what Dave is saying about winning a couple games in the tournament is something you should take to heart, TC Hoops, not yell at and bash. In a 63-team tournament, you could win a couple games and still not have beaten a ranked team.

[TC HOOPS]

Dave give me a BREAK. " GMC has obviously had trouble playing as a team " You have to be kidden me, it was one half in the 2nd game of the year. I guess if they played as a TEAM they would be 25-0 instead of 23-2. I know you haven't seen them play because they play as a TEAM. And you also said a " 2 points at the half counts as much as leading a race on the back-stretch. Unless you lead at the end it dosen't matter " So I guess then the same can be said if you loss by 30 its like losing by 1, please. And I keep going back to last years 2nd round loss in the NCAA to Scranton because its the same GMC team as last year but with one more year experience. And David Collinge your sence of humor is 2nd to none I couldn't stop laughing, another CLOWN. I guess at 23-2 I shouldn't be arguing that GMC shouldn't be ranked in the TOP 25, my bad. Lets just wait and see what happenes in the NCAA, then we can see who gets the last laugh. Its SCRAEY when Pat starts making the most sence of you two.

[LA RAMS]

Pat,

I'm still firmly believing that Gustavus belongs in the Top 25.  Assuming that St. Ben's does win the MIAC, shouldn't GAC at least get an at-large bid if they make it to the MIAC Championship game?  Also, if they do, any idea of how the tourney brackets would shape up for West region teams?  

[Dark Knight]

Hey, I wanna know why nobody gives any love to the Wooster women's team.  I mean, come on, if you think there's a better 14-11 team out there then you are just CLUELESS.  Yeah, they lost to Westminster, and Wittenberg, and Denison (twice), and Kenyon (twice), and Case and Whittier and Olivet and Allegheny and Ohio Wesleyan, but that's only because our best players all graduated during the past 20 years!  We only lost to Westminster by 5, and they only lost to Defiance by 12, and Defiance BEAT Capital, who is almost ranked!!!  And we got jacked by the officials, and our coach decided to bench our best players just because she's mean and vindictive, and besides, when we played at Denison the moon was on the cusp of Aquarius and all auspices were unfavorable!  Plus Pat hates us, of course.  If we had played anyone in the the top 25, we'd have beaten them for sure!  Just wait until the NCAA tournament, and we'll show you...if the HATERS let us play, that is!

Ha, +k. But you forgot an important point in Wooster's favor:

2007-01-25   Wooster                 77  @ Allegheny               71  O1     
2006-12-13   Allegheny               66  @ Grove City              50         
2006-12-07   Grove City              69  @ Carnegie Mellon         66         
2007-01-26 @ Carnegie Mellon         77    Emory                   66         
2007-02-11   Emory                   69  @ Chicago                 63         
2007-01-21 @ Chicago                 67    Rochester NY            60         
2006-11-18 @ Rochester NY            69    Scranton                51         

Transitivity proves that Wooster is better than Scranton.
This 7 game conquering path predicts: Wooster over Scranton by 67 points.

[TC HOOPS]

WOW another CLOWN has entered the building. Thanks for that Dark Knight. Hey Dave and Pat I have a serious question for you. IF GMC dosen't win the PAC would they get an at large bid?

[Pat Coleman]

I'm not going to answer any more questions from you until you start treating other posters with some respect.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

This year's championships handbook doesn't list the regional rotation but if I go back to last year's, it says for 2007: Mid-Atlantic vs. Atlantic, Northeast vs. East, Great Lakes vs. South and West vs. Central.

I think what Dave is saying about winning a couple games in the tournament is something you should take to heart, TC Hoops, not yell at and bash. In a 63-team tournament, you could win a couple games and still not have beaten a ranked team.

Whoa so the south has the great lakes this year.  I don't know if that is going to be good for the south.  You talked 8 or 9 teams from the south coming in if the great lakes are so strong I don't know if that is even a possibility then.  Maybe 5-6.  There could be quite a few southern teams disappointed.

It was West vs South last year wasn't it?

[Pat Coleman]

It was indeed West/South last year.