Top 25 discussion

[Pat Coleman]

Some of our voters are in the tourney and need extra time. Waiting until the morning, most likely.

[Rick Akins]

Thanks, Pat.  I can certainly understand that for the poll.  I agree with another poster--when do you ever sleep?  As a graduate(along with my wife) of one DIII (HPU) and with my children grads or soon to be of another(UMHB) I appreciate everything you and all the other d3 people on this site and elsewhere do to publicize and give credibility to our schools and especially d3 sports.  THANKS!! There may not be national TV coverage or 20,000+ in the seats, but it is still a lot of fun and great competition.  3850 on Sunday in Brownwood, Texas was plenty exciting, however--I can promise you that.

[Pat Coleman]

Only two and a half hours last night. Adrenaline is a big thing this time of year.

[TC HOOPS]

Pat : You do a GREAT job on here but I STILL think the TOP 25 is a JOKE!!!! It seems like once you get in the TOP 25 you stay there even if you lose. Chicago was in the TOP 25 untill the last poll, it ONLY took them going 2-7 in their last 9 games to FINALLY get removed. Gwynedd Mercy is ranked 3rd in the Mid-Atlantic behind Scranton and Messiah but can't even get close to being in the TOP 25 while Mcdaniel is ranked 4th in the Mid-Atlantic behind Gwynedd and losses to Ursinus by 10 in the playoffs while GMC beat Ursinus by 21 yet McDaniel is ranked 22nd. I give up even looking at the TOP 25. Teams that play these so called TOUGHER schedules but LOSE, they prove one thing. They play tough schedules and lose.

[Pat Coleman]

Yawn.

[TC HOOPS]

Yawn : I think that's what you and the rest of the voters do when you cast your votes for the TOP 25!!!! It's ok keep on not voting for them, it just wants to make them prove you and the rest of the voters wrong.

Ithica is a much better team then their record, so when GMC beats them you will say WOW you beat a 16-11 team. But IF GMC beats NYU at NYU would they have FINALLY gotten your vote  if there was another poll next week? I think I know the answer.

[sunny]

Yawn : I think that's what you and the rest of the voters do when you cast your votes for the TOP 25!!!! It's ok keep on not voting for them, it just wants to make them prove you and the rest of the voters wrong.

Ithica is a much better team then their record, so when GMC beats them you will say WOW you beat a 16-11 team. But IF GMC beats NYU at NYU would they have FINALLY gotten your vote  if there was another poll next week? I think I know the answer.

Calm down.  Yeah, don't expect a win over Ithaca to do GMC any favors.  Ithaca has 11 losses in what is considered by the weakest overall region year in and year out (sure the East has NYU and Rochester, but most of the Violets' schedule is played against UAA and Atlantic Region teams and Rochester plays better than half its games against UAA schools).

Yes, a win over NYU would put GMC in my top 25, no doubt, but they don't belong there yet.  By the way, even if they do make a great run in the tournament, it doesn't mean the poll was a "joke" for not having them ranked earlier.  On any given week, there are probably 50-60 schools who could make a case for being ranked; only 25 are.  The difference between the actual 20th-best team in Division III and the actual 45th-best team in Division III is small enough that 45 beating 20 isn't much of an upset. 

I really don't know why you keep getting so worked up.  GMC is unranked and in the tournament; Hardin-Simmons is ranked and not in.  I'm sure H-S would MUCH rather be GMC at this point ...

[TC HOOPS]

Sunny : All good points, I just like getting Pat all worked up.

[bbald eagle]

Why?

[farmingtonfan]

Top 25 huh?  Why did it take UMF so long to finally be ranked higher than MMA they only beat them 3 times this year.  Three loses for UMF have come at the hands of Bowd. (1) USM (8) and Bates how also had a really good year and is usually a top 25 team.  Just wondering when a good team from Maine other than USM or Bowdin is going to get some respect.  It will probably take a win or two in the tourney then maybe they will turn some heads.

[sunny]

Top 25 huh?  Why did it take UMF so long to finally be ranked higher than MMA they only beat them 3 times this year.  Three loses for UMF have come at the hands of Bowd. (1) USM (8) and Bates how also had a really good year and is usually a top 25 team.  Just wondering when a good team from Maine other than USM or Bowdin is going to get some respect.  It will probably take a win or two in the tourney then maybe they will turn some heads.

I'm actually with you on this one.  I've had UMF above Maine Maritime since at least after the second win. 

[BachDog]

   Just to address the notion that ANYONE, let alone GM, will beat NYU: FAT CHANCE. D3hoops.com has NEVER been behind the NYU squad this year and you know what?? NYU will win this tournament hands down. Three girls averaging double figures, two more with eight a piece, nationally ranked shot blocker in Bachman (my sis, yes, I am biased), player of the year in McEntee. They get better and better each game and still haven't peaked...GM winning, no way.

   And when NYU wins it will be vindication and I'll remember it...And so will d3hoops.

[Pat Coleman]

Wow -- No. 6 and you're complaining? I came out personally to see you guys twice, we broadcast one of your games nationally?

We're never going to be "behind" a team because it's not our job to be cheerleaders -- we're here to report. But I think NYU has gotten respect.

[BachDog]

I know, it's sounds like insolent griping, but I've followed the polls the entire year, and I know everyone remembers the U. of Chicago #1 fiasco, and the subsequent Chicago meltdown. Well, U. of Chicago is a good club regardless of implosion (as was demonstarted in the overtime loss to Wash. U.), and when NYU beat them, how was it reported?? No props to NYU, just that Chicago lost. Was there any coverage when NYU beat Wash. U. by the most points they've ever been beaten by?

Some teams peak at this point of the season, or in Rochester's and U. of Chicago's case, earlier. NYU has yet to peak and D3hoops has yet to recognize it. That's all, I'm done complaining

[Pat Coleman]

I know, it's sounds like insolent griping, but I've followed the polls the entire year, and I know everyone remembers the U. of Chicago #1 fiasco, and the subsequent Chicago meltdown.

D3hoops.com never ranked Chicago No. 1. I know you didn't specifically say that but I'm repeating it for the record in case you or others don't know.

Was there any coverage when NYU beat Wash. U. by the most points they've ever been beaten by?

Yes. We were there. We broadcast the game. It was the front page story.
http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?item=875

How closely were you following?