Top 25 discussion

[Pat Coleman]

Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?

And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?

Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.

I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.

How many Top 25 teams have you seen?

[wonder_woman]

Well said ROAR

Poll rankings are OPINIONS and opinions are like a**h*les, everyone's got one!

AND - as we see every year...anyone can lose a game they shouldn't and anyone can win a game they shouldn't. That's why we play the game instead of just calling in the score.

[gobombers15]

Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?

And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?

Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.

I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.

How many Top 25 teams have you seen?

Pat, is Ithaca their most difficult opponent to date (based on the numbers)?

[TC HOOPS]

Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.

I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.

How many Top 25 teams have you seen?

Pat : Yes I have seen 3 TOP 25 teams play in person and I am sure you seen a lot more. I have seen #3 Scranton, #4 Messiah and #22 McDaniel. We have played about 5 common opponents of all 3 teams and have beat them by as many points as they have.

So that being said I know we can play with those 3 teams I would think we can hang in there with NYU, that's if we get passed Ithaca.

[saratoga]

TC: I think you need to let it go & let the kids sort it all out on the court. Your recent statement is misleading & not factually accurate. You state, "We have played about 5 common opponents of all 3 teams(Scranton,McDaniel & Messiah) and have beaten them by as many points as they have". Not true...Scranton played at Kean & won by 2pts...Gwynned played at Kean & LOST by 30. Scranton played SUNY Geneseo in Fla. and won by 9...Gwynned played them the next evening & LOST by 4. I'm not sure of any common opponents with the other schools...but, all the talk from moms & dads, sisters & brothers & the local mailman are worthless at this point...it's up to the kids. Gwynned needs to take a real hard look at their schedule & start playing quality teams out of conference...until then, gaining respect from those very coaches that face both IN & OUT of conference battles all season long will be very slow in coming.

[gobombers15]

TC, if GMC somehow beats NYU, I'm sure they will be in the poll next week (if there is one). That said, I think whoever wins the GMC/Ithaca game will be a 12-16 point underdog against NYU, and if either does beat NYU, it's going to be on the front page of D3hoops.com. It would be that big of an upset. But, hey, it's a great opportunity.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?

And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?

Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.

I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.

How many Top 25 teams have you seen?

Pat, is Ithaca their most difficult opponent to date (based on the numbers)?

According to Massey, Ursinus (No. 81, I believe) was.

Ithaca is below GMC in Massey.

[TC HOOPS]

Saratoga : What I said was not misleading, well maybe just a little. The Kean game was the 2nd game of the year and GMC was down 2 at the half when the coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because of the way they played in the first half, great move because they learned a lesson from it.  So that score is VERY misleading. And Geneseo we lost on a last second shot. We beat Kings by 15 at Kings who played Scranton tough and finshed 2nd in your league, so that's not saying much for your league either. We beat  Albright twice who gave Messiah 2 VERY tough games. And we beat Ursinus by 21 who won their Championship in McDaniel's league. So it's not like we played no one.

But your right, enough talk the girls will just have to prove it this weekend. And GMC does need to play a stronger schedule.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Someone get me updated.  I have seen that this board has been fairly active.  Is a new member to d3sports complaining that their team should be represented in the top 25.  If that is the case leave it to rest. 

I was one of those new members at one time complaining about my college should be ranked. Get over it.  d3hoops does a good job considering how many schools there are in d3 basketball.  Now I said good job, not great  .  I do feel there are some teams that do see a little bit of undercoverage. Key word a little bit.  I would say there are about 6% of teams are undercovered. That 6% what I mean is the place they are located in the top 25.  I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.

[Pat Coleman]

I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.

Out of curiosity -- how does this work? Wouldn't basically an equal number of teams need to be higher and lower?

[TC HOOPS]

gobombers15 : No question your right, both GMC and Ithaca will be a BIG underdog against NYU. And your right it will be a big opportunity for either team. I am sure both teams would love that chance.

For now I am worried about getting past you guy's, should be a great game. Have fun.

Pat : Can you please send out the Massey rankings? Thanks.

[Pat Coleman]

Google tends to work for that sort of thing but I'll spoon-feed you, sure.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1

GMC 43rd, oddly similar to their D3hoops.com rank. Strength of schedule No. 262.

[bbald eagle]

Here's some fuel for the fire

Gwynedd Mercy is ranked 25th in yesterday's WBCA USAToday ESPN poll

http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.

Out of curiosity -- how does this work? Wouldn't basically an equal number of teams need to be higher and lower?

Wrong choice of words  Your right. Equal

In the case of the guys poll.  Take a look at it the preseason 7-11 over the last couple of years, they have been undercovered as one of those teams tend to be in the running for the National Championship at the end of the year. Or end of the season last poll #1


Tend is a wrong word too.  Could be.

[David Collinge]

Saratoga : What I said was not misleading, well maybe just a little. The Kean game was the 2nd game of the year and GMC was down 2 at the half when the coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because of the way they played in the first half, great move because they learned a lesson from it.  So that score is VERY misleading.

Wow, really?  Just down by two at the half?  Why, that's practically a win right there, almost!  And the coach benched the players to prove a point?  Well, that game should be erased from the record, especially since it had such a positive effect in the long run!

This is the first I've heard of this incredible story.  Well, okay, not the first, but each of the 87 times you've mentioned it seems like the first.  I'm sure if you bring it up five more times, it'll suddenly become a good argument.