Top 25 discussion

[TC HOOPS]

Caz : The PAC has 12 teams in it and the bottom teams STINK. One team went 1-19 and the other 3-22. That's kills the league. A bad HS team could beat both of them. But there are some good teams at the top, I said good not great. But they are on GMC schedule so they had to play them, going 18-0 in the league and winning by a scoring margin of 28 points a game. So will that help them in the NCAA against good competition? NOT at all. Trust me I know its not going to be easy but GMC is a VERY good team in a weak league.

BachDog : Thank's for the info on places to go, looking foward to it. Nothing better then a cold one after a win. If they lose you will see me laying in the gutter with egg on my face.

gobombers : Sorry I don't know either if there is coverage on the game. And TRUST me I know its going to be a tough game. GOODLUCK to everyone's team. GO GMC!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ralph Turner]

I did not realize that D3hoops also had coach voters. I'd never seen a list of voters. I agree that the coach voters would lend some bias to the D3hoops poll as well but as D3hoops in not exclusively coaches I don't think as much as ESPN. I also don't believe that SIDs are as biased. Their jobs are not directly tied to their success on the court like a coach's job is so while they might show slight bias, I don't think it would be to the same degree as coaches might would be. I won't even start in on if the media is bias. I just think that D3hoops has a little less bias involved then the ESPN because it has more voters and more diversity of background of voters.

This is what D3Hoops says about its voters:
"The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly."  http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

The SIDs jobs aren't as directly to a team's success on the court as a coach's, but their jobs are to publicize the school and its sports teams.  I have a hard time thinking SIDs inherently impartial or inherently less biased than coaches.

Your and Pat C's observation that more voters should neutralize bias or smooth out local interest makes some sense. Others have suggested that making the names of D3Hoops voters public as does the WBCA would have the same effect. I don't know about that. The counterargument has been that being named can subject the voters to pressure.

I have known Pat since 2003.  I respect him for his journalistic integrity.  His name is on the bannerhead, and he takes his "web-newspaper" seriously.  It is becoming more respected every year.

There must be an incredible sense of pride to asked by Pat to serve on his panel.  He has raised the quality of D3 reporting to unparalleled heights, and the professionals, who want to make their profession and their livelihood better than when they joined it, must take that extra pride.  They also realize that this is the platform from which they can accomplish that.

When Mr Ypsi asked me to serve on his Posters' Poll, I understood that this was my opportunity to do it "right".  I want to give my fellow fans my best assessment of what I see in the teams and games that I follow.  Anything less than my best is unsatisfactory.  I think that is even more accurate description of the professionals who contribute to his various sites.

Their votes will stand out and are either an accurate assessment of a trend that shall be borne out or undesired hucksterism.  I am sure that the waiting list of people who would jump at the opportunity to be a contributor is longer than we can imagine.

I think that Pat will take ownership of the polling process and if a contributor is not contributing, then that person will not be around very long.

[saratoga]

TC: Good luck & remember to pack the V for Tony... & I'm not referring to Grey Goose. As someone mentioned, there are hundreds of pubs, bars & restaurants all around NYU...try them all out.

[TC HOOPS]

Saratoga : Thanks a lot. I will take care of Tony, and I am sure we will hit almost every bar. GOOLUCK to Scranton, represent the Mid-Atlantic like you always do.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 Tournament Glance, Rounds 1-2      

#   1   Bowdoin (26-1) hosts Mt. Holyoke (21-7) Fri.
#   2   Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
#   3   Scranton (25-2) hosts Lehman (19-9) Fri.
#   4   Messiah (25-2) hosts Westminster (PA) (22-6) Fri.
#   5   Hope (24-3) plays Denison (24-4) Fri. at DePauw
#   6   NYU (23-2) hosts Ursinus (19-9) Fri.
#   7   Calvin (25-2) plays Thomas More (22-4) Fri. at Wilmington
#   8   Southern Maine (25-2) hosts Williams (20-6) Fri.Sat.
#   9   DePauw (25-3) hosts Transylvania (19-8) Fri.
#   10   Mary Washington (26-2) hosts Notre Dame (MD) (18-6) Fri.
#   11   Washington U. (20-5) plays Manchester (21-6) Fri. at Lake Forest
#   12   McMurry (24-4) plays Puget Sound (21-6) Fri. at George Fox
#   13   Emmanuel (27-1) hosts Salve Regina (22-6) Fri.
#   14   Lake Forest (23-2) hosts Maryville (MO) (22-5) Fri.
#   15   UW-Stout (23-5) hosts Simpson (21-6) Fri.
#   16   Wilmington (24-4) hosts Oglethorpe (21-7) Fri.
#   17   Brandeis (19-5) plays #21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) Fri. at Emmanuel
#   18   Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
#   19   Rochester (20-5) plays St. Lawrence (24-3) Fri. at Cortland St.
#   20   Medaille (23-4) plays at Cortland St. (25-2) Fri.
#   21   Maine-Farmington (25-3) plays #17 Brandeis (19-5) Fri. at Emmanuel
#   22   McDaniel (23-3) plays William Paterson (22-5) Fri. at Randolph-Macon
#   23   Wheaton (IL) (19-7) plays St. Benedict (22-5) Fri. at UW-Stout
#   24   Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) plays Carroll (21-4) Fri. at Luther
#   25   Luther (22-4) hosts Concordia (WI) (23-3) Fri.

Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day

[Pat Coleman]

Yes, D3hoops.com will be broadcasting the entire NYU regional.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

[BachDog]

Thanks for that David, I was trying to figure it out on the printable bracket, and it wasn't fun!

I think the game to watch tonight is the Ithaca GMC game...Looking forward to some opening round action. Any other games people think will be ones to watch??? Brandeis, aside...

[gobombers15]

Yes, D3hoops.com will be broadcasting the entire NYU regional.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

Thanks, Pat. I have to ask any questions that aren't addressed in the FAQ. 

[gobombers15]

Bonus: Former IC-grad Seth Cantor will be the play-by-play guy for the D3hoops.com feed. I love it. Though I'm sure Seth is going to bend over backwards to appear objective and will probably succeed.

[BachDog]

Has anyone ever listened to the D3hoops feed?? Is it reliable? How do they cover it, are there D3 casters or are they affiliated with the schools playing??

[gobombers15]

Has anyone ever listened to the D3hoops feed?? Is it reliable? How do they cover it, are there D3 casters or are they affiliated with the schools playing??

1) Good feed for an internet broadcast. I've never had issues with the audio from d3hoops.com. I can't say the same for Ithaca's student radio station which will also be broadcasting the game. For that reason, I'll be tuning into the d3hoops.com feed.

2) Sometimes there is an affiliation with the schools, sometimes there isn't. For instance, Seth Cantor, who will be calling the game, is an Ithaca grad. That said, he's done a ton of stuff for this site, in years past. He is very objective and will not any bias come through. I worked with him on several occasions when we went to school together, he always did a good job in the objectivity department. Seth is an exciteable guy and you'll know what's going on in the game based on how he sounds. In other words, if GMC goes on a run today, it won't sound like somebody just shot his dog like it possibly would if you listened to a school station's broadcasters.

[BachDog]

Thanks gobombers! I will be listeining to the NYU feed, but good to know for other games...Unfortunately I am NOT going to the game tonight, traffic is backed up on the Hutch, I'm not out of work until later and so, the feed it is!!

Good luck!!!

[gobombers15]

Ithaca up four at half, 40-36. Bombers lead by as many as ten, GMC rallies to go up one, Ithaca closes well. Ithaca had leads of ten and eight at two separate points, will have to do better to deliver the knockout blow. Been a frenetic game so far.

[gobombers15]

IC chokes the game away. Up 11 in the second half but gets complacent and lazy with the basketball. GMC closes the season on 36-16 run. Bombers miss two straight front-ends while the game sits at 79-74 with the opportunity to potentially cut it to one. Good game for GMC. Will have to play far better if they have any chance against NYU. Congrats to the Griffs.

Ithaca leads for 80% of the game, but not when it counts. Final: GMC 83, Ithaca 74. IC has nothing to hang their heads about, they'll be back.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 Tournament Glance, Rounds 1-2      

#   1   Bowdoin (27-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; hosts Keene St. (22-6) Sat.
#   2   Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
#   3   Scranton (26-2) def. Lehman 64-43; hosts Hamilton (20-7) Sat.
#   4   Messiah (26-2) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; hosts Kean (25-3) Sat.
#   5   Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
#   6   NYU (24-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; hosts Gwynedd-Mercy (26-2) Sat.
#   7   Calvin (26-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; plays at #16 Wilmington (25-4) Sat.
#   8   Southern Maine (26-2) def. Williams 68-62; hosts Fitchburg St. (26-2) Sun.*
#   9   DePauw (26-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; hosts Denison (25-4) Sat.
#   10   Mary Washington (27-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; hosts Christopher Newport (21-8) Sat.
#   11   Washington U. (21-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; plays at #14 Lake Forest (24-2) Sat.
#   12   McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
#   13   Emmanuel (28-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; hosts #17 Brandeis (20-5) Sat.
#   14   Lake Forest (24-2) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; hosts #11 Washington U. (21-5) Sat.
#   15   UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
#   16   Wilmington (25-4) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; hosts #7 Calvin (26-2) Sat.
#   17   Brandeis (20-5) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; plays at #13 Emmanuel (28-1) Sat.
#   18   Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
#   19   Rochester (21-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; plays at Cortland St. (26-2) Sat.
#   20   Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
#   21   Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
#   22   McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
#   23   Wheaton (IL) (20-7) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; plays Simpson (22-6) Sat. at UW-Stout
#   24   Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
#   25   Luther (23-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; hosts Carroll (22-4) Sat.

*Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day