Top 25 discussion

[jagluski]

Allen,

Wash U is in the same situation as Salem State.  There were no Saturday finals at Wash U.  This is also why Wash U didn't play all last week(reading week) and is done until 2006(finals).

[bbald eagle]

17 of the top 25 in the preseason poll remain in the Top 25 in the Week 4 poll.

[deiscanton]

Joel--

Then again, the Fontbonne team of the 2000-2001 season in their prime is probably better than the Fontbonne team of today, although I have never seen Fontbonne in action, it is just my guess.

That is to say, if Wash U were to play the Fontbonne team of the 2000-2001 season in their prime-- i.e. the one that beat Wash U at Mabee Gym to end Wash U's legendary winning streak, I would not play that game during finals. 

Although the Wash U/Fontbonne match last Saturday was not an ideal situation for Wash U-- Wash U was not exactly playing a WIAC team over the weekend, either.

[jagluski]

Allen,

Definitely true.  I was thinking that as I posted, but didn't want to say anything talking about how Fontbonne isn't a great team.  And it's not ideal, but at least the game was across the street.  Literally.

The 2000-2001 Fontbonne game was my freshman year at Wash U.  That one occurred during Winter Break, not finals.  I was already home.  And I'm still bitter about that game; that's one that Wash U should have won...if I remember, Fontbonne wasn't that great then either(although better than now).

And yes....while I know nothing about WU scheduling, I don't think they're going to be scheduling WIAC teams during finals.  Now scheduling a WIAC team to begin with, I've got nothing on...

[digs]

Joel--

Although the Wash U/Fontbonne match last Saturday was not an ideal situation for Wash U-- Wash U was not exactly playing a WIAC team over the weekend, either.

Allen,

And yes....while I know nothing about WU scheduling, I don't think they're going to be scheduling WIAC teams during finals. Now scheduling a WIAC team to begin with, I've got nothing on...

You guys are giving a lot of credit to teams from a conference that is 3-4 against the MWC. 

[bbald eagle]

USA Today/ESPN/WBCA's Top 25 week three poll released yesterday includes 21 of the teams that are in D3hoops top 25.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

[Snowman]

Re: Little East
« Reply #39 on: Today at 01:57:31 AM » 

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Quote from: uofs on Yesterday at 11:10:17 PM
pat your topic just doesn`t justify your theory of being ranked.Sure S.Maine lost to a good team on the road but didn`t Millikin also lose on the road when they where ranked #1?


Yes. And there was a clear-cut No. 1 to take Millikin's place, right?

It's nice to take a couple days off around the holidays. Glad you understand. Not that I fully understand your incredible run-on sentence but I think I got the drift.


Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
This is the first time I remember a team holding on to #1 position.


It has happened before.


Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
Fact is if it was a ranked team that beat us, we would be out of the #1 slot.


I'm not sure you can state that as fact, no. If you'd lost to Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1, then I would say yes, definitely.

[Snowman]

Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
Fact is if it was a ranked team that beat us, we would be out of the #1 slot.


Quote From Pat Coleman: I'm not sure you can state that as fact, no. If you'd lost to Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1, then I would say yes, definitely. 

What difference does it make if USM was beaten by
" Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1". That is team is capable of "being ranked No.1" should not make a difference on if the current #1 team should be dropped out of that spot. I would think that being beaten by a team NOT RANKED would be worse then being beaten by a team that is "capable of being ranked number #1. In BOTH cases the ranking should change.

[Pat Coleman]

Because if they were beaten by a team that could have logically jumped into the No. 1 slot, that team WOULD have jumped into the No. 1 slot.

There was no clear-cut No. 1 this week. Who's the logical choice? Explain in 25 words or less why your selected is the one and only possible No. 1 team.

[Snowman]

From the LEC Board:

Pat,

Ok so USM gets a 1st place vote from their voter as does Bowdoin from theirs... Does the UAA a voter in the mix?

Now when you look at it, Brandeis their votes are more impressive considering the above, I would "assume" Wash U's votes would mean more as well.

ANSWERING IN 25 WORDS OR LESS WHO SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, CONSIDERING WHAT I WAS TOLD (BY A USM ATTENDEE) ABOUT THE BRANDEIS/USM SCRIMMAGE, SINCE USM BEAT BOWDOIN AND THEN LOST TO SALEM STATE, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO MAKE EITHER #1. BRANDEIS OR WASH U WOULD BE LOGICAL, BUT SINCE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFO THAT THE VOTERS BASE THEIR DECISION ON, THATS A TOUGH CALL. EACH HAS A BIG TIME SCORER, WASH U HAS THE CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR, BRANDEIS THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. BRANDEIS RETURNS MULTIPLE ALL CONFERENCE RECEIPIENTS FROM LAST YEAR, WASH U DOES NOT. WASH U HAS HISTORY (AS DOES USM & BOWDOIN), BRANDEIS DOES NOT...Interesting to say the least

[Pat Coleman]

There is one UAA voter but not in the Northeast Region. Further defining that voter would likely reveal that person's identity or narrow it down much too far for the anonymity I have promised voters.

You can't assume that the LEC voter voted USM No. 1 and that the NESCAC voter voted Bowdoin No. 1. In fact, of course, nobody voted Bowdoin No. 1 this week.

[Snowman]

Ok, I would assume that the vote for the UAA comes from either Wash U or NYU, only logical give history (probably NYU based on your regional comment). I will also assume that the vote that didn't go to Bowdoin went most likely to USM. Boy the UAA vote would be a key vote in providing info as to whether Wash U or Brandeis is more highly regarded.

Pat, is there another vote today??? that would be interesting to see how/if anything changed in the top 5 considering the lack of play last week.

[Pat Coleman]

No poll this week because of the lack of games that you cited.

[Ralph Turner]

Snowman, I believe that Pat Coleman has selected a very knowledgeable group of voters.  Combined with the near plethora of information that goes with each week's ballot and the history of relative accuracy that this poll has demonstated, I would not be surprised by a UAA voter ranking UAA teams with less hyperbole than the usual clamoring pundit.

[Pat Coleman]

Women's poll finishes first this week:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/