Top 25 discussion

[Pat Coleman]

I pointed Massey out to him a couple of weeks ago but he wasn't interested. He's only interested in whatever group overrates GMC.

[jagluski]

Now you can understand why I think the D-3 TOP 25 is a JOKE!!! Out of the TOP 5, not one of them are in the Final 4. You would NEVER see that happen in D1 mens or womens bracket. And its because NO one can possibly see all the teams play. You can watch all of Gwynedd Mercy's home games live on the computer, why don't more schools do that? Then you might be able to judge teams better if you actually seen them play.

You mean, except for last year...right?  It seems like you've been arguing with so many people on this board, that your memory is gone.  Let's flash back to Division I Men's Pre-Tourney poll last year.  George Mason was unranked, Florida was #10/#11, UCLA was #7/#8, and LSU was #18/#19.  Plus, with the unbalanced regional bracket and home court advance, I would expect that it's more likely in D3 to have not the top four teams make the Final Four.  And, in Division I Men's, have all four #1 seeds ever made the Final Four?  Hint: The answer is no.

[jagluski]

Find ONE year that not one of the TOP 5 made it to the final 4.

How about Division I Men's last year?  Please see the post I just made and then apologize for your factual inaccuracy.  How about doing some research BEFORE going on a blind rant?

[GAVA]

It is much harder to have the accurracy of a DI poll in DIII. I think we can all agree to that and recognize the obstacles we face.
Certainly hope to see RMC crack the poll at season end given their 3rd straight Sweet 16 apperance. Poll or no poll, the school believes they can be in the tourney at the end every year.

[TC HOOPS]

Hey Pat I guess I am a WHINER because I think your CLUELESS. You continue to say GMC is overrated by other groups, I guess your talking about the ESPN coaches poll. That's not saying too much for NYU then if GMC can go into their own building and be right in the game till the end. Oh I guess they had an off night. If someone don't agree with you or Dave you put them down. I guess I am going to get kicked off again because I don't agree with the GURU. I must be CRAZY to think GMC should be ranked in the TOP 25 going 26-3 and losing to two teams in the FINAL 8, what could I be thinking?

But antnwriter did explain it in professional manor I thank him for that. My whole point was that there is NO WAY that the D3 poll is as accurate as the D1.

Pat and Dave, You ask for respect do you ever practice what you preach? I could careless if you like me but you don't have to call GMC OVERRATED because another poll has them in the TOP 25 where they belong.

[Pat Coleman]

TC -- no offense but in the last month you have used up whatever patience we have had. We have tried politeness and it hasn't worked. Why should we bother pulling punches with you anymore?

Who'd you beat?

Who'd you beat?

Who's you beat?

[newtonnancy]

Hey TC, I don't often stick up for anyone and I have take my lumps having a twinge of arrogance and obnoxiousness, but I also apologize and eat S#$( when I am wrong.

You are one major CRYBABY.

I am a huge proponent of what Pat just said....

BEAT SOMEBODY! ANYBODY! PLEASE!!!!!!!

You are one of those crybabies who whats to be compensated for what YOU consider a moral victory.

Stop already until you BEAT SOMEBODY, I mean ANYBODY WITH A PULSE


PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[TC HOOPS]

newtonnancy - Thanks for your USELESS 2 cents. So I should apologize and eat s#$ as you say when I know I am right?? All you people kiss Pat's back end it makes me sick. Its funny if you try to make a point about your team your a CRYBABY. Your another one who has never seen GMC play. They play in a bad league so I guess that makes them bad.

GMC beat Ursinus who won their league. They beat Albright who finished 2nd in their leage behind Messiah. They beat Kings who finished 2nd in their leagu behind Scranton. Its FUNNY I NEVER hear you saying how bad those 3 leagues are. But your right at 26-3 GMC played NO ONE!!! CLUELESS. Ask the NYU coach if she thinks they are a TOP 25 team, she actually seen them play.

[newtonnancy]

COME ON....you are kidding with that last post ...Right..

Come on..... REALLY its a Joke right....

Good one

They beat the 4th place team in this league and beat the 2nd place team in that conference and beat the 3 place team in that association

Oh Yea  did I mention they lost to NYU but played a good game and they lost to Genesco but played a good game and they lost to Kean but played a good game

Come on BEAT SOMEBODY and then come back next year

Hey forgot to tell you we beat Nuemann and we beat Rutgers-Camden, didn't they win the BIG EAST and boy they got some football team (wink wink)

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

TC - I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt... and give you information about why GMC isn't ranked. You keep spitting it back up and being rude when that information isn't what you want to hear.

For the record, if Ursinus didn't get hot at JUST the right time, they don't make the tournament. The other teams you mentioned didn't make the tournament. So thank you for pointing what you thought were the big wins this season... all against essentially non-tournament teams.

As for saying how bad "those three leagues are"... let me start by saying that two of the teams and leagues you mentioned got one team into the tournament. However, their top teams have been forces not only during the last few seasons, but also deep into tournaments. As for the Centennial (you know, the conference you used to reference with Ursinus)... they had THREE teams into the tourney this year and had FOUR teams this year that had a chance to make the tourney with about two weeks left in the season. You beat the fifth team - who again... won the conference tournament because they got hot at the right time and things went their way. Something that is wonderful about NCAA basketball and automatic bids.

If you reference the fact that at halftime against Kean it was close or your imagination that you were "in" the game against NYU one more time... I might lose my mind - though many would argue it won't take that much to lose my mind.
GMC to Kean - even with your best players on the bench. That tells me your team isn't that deep, so thus not that talented.
NYU was leading the Round of 32 game pretty handily for most of the game. Let me quote you this from the NYU release on the game:
"NYU appeared to have its ticket into the next round stamped after seizing a 60-43 lead with 7:25 after two free throws by McEntee." (McEntee dropped 34 on GMC and got her 17th double-double on the season, by the way.)
Granted, the Violets allowed the Griffins back into the game - in my opinion - and GMC certainly fought to do so. But don't make the arguement that GMC was in the game. They weren't. They had to fight for their lives just to close that 17 point gap. And still lost by 12.

Oh... and the Griffins shot 64% from the FT line... ouch!

I'm sorry you don't feel like your getting enough respect... but until you actually present an arguement that holds water... just stop. Nobody minds someone who disagrees and argues for their team. But we are all tired of seeing you continue to drink the cool-aid someone is handing you!

GMC made the tournament... something nearly 400 other teams can't say they did. Take that as a major accomplisment and something that will help the program improve. Be proud of that accomplisment and be proud of the ladies who played on that team. Don't sit here and tell us we are nuts and don't know what we are talking about (when so far, no one has defended your position) and embarrasing not only yourself, but also the GMC team and program. You are not representing the school, the program, or your daugther well at all!

[DPU3619]

I'm sure glad your daughter is a senior, tchoops.

I'm not sure I could handle another season of you and your homerific kool-aid.

[TC HOOPS]

DPU3619 - Yes my daughter is a senior but don't you worry I will still follow the team and come back on here just to drive you nuts.

"d-mac" - Your right about ONE thing, you are nuts. You know I wouldn't keep bringing this up if people like you didn't make such STUPID statements. You say it was my imagination that GMC was in the game against NYU. I guess you think  being down 5 with a chance to cut it to 2 on a wide open 3 with 2:20 left in the game is not in it? If so then your more clueless then I thought. And you bring up the point that GMC only shot 64% from the line, I guess if they shot 85% they would have won, what's your point? Yes it ended up 12, I guess you never seen teams foul at the end of the game and the final score dosen't show how close the game was.

As far as me EMBARRASING my daughter and GMC. AGAIN you have no clue. If you call someone embarrasing that can't figure out why a team 26-3 can't get close to being in the top 25 then your an embarrasment. And you say no one has taken my side, there is only 5 other people that post anything. And they are all your buddies. So let's just let it go, we will NEVER agree!!!!

One serious question. Do you think it's fair that NYU got to play all four games on their home court to get to the final 4? They don't even do that in HS state playoff games. And yes I know that's because they are all from the same state and it's because of money. But its not like the NCAA made big bucks off of NYU 1500 fans a game. Couldn't they get 1500 fans on any neutral site?

[bbald eagle]

NYU only got to play 4 games at home because it won each game. The other hosts of the sectional games also had paths that could have brought them to the Final Four without leaving home, but they all lost at home. The home court advantage does not guarantee a win. NYU's path was probably eased by the elimination of ranked teams from its path. Unless I missed something, it did not  play any teams ranked in the top 25 by D3Hoops (GMC is 25 in USAToday) during its march through the tournament to the Final Four. The ranked teams in its bracket lost before they would have met NYU.

[stobbe]

Wow TC is a parent ? Reading the posts from the past couple of days, I had convinced myself that TC was an immature teenager.

TC, I am a recent college graduate and if my father ever spoke the way you have, I would have been mortified. I'm certain that your daughter is embarassed by how you are acting.

[The Observation Deck]

If they went to a neutral site they'd have to pay NYU's lodging and transportation as well.

Teams earn the hosting rights by playing tough schedules and winning. It's something Gwynedd can aspire to.