Top 25 discussion

[Mr. Ypsi]

My bad Mr.Ypsi please  accept my apology.

No problem - no harm, no foul.

Or as sometimes seems the case with refs in the midwest: no ambulance, no foul!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

My bad Mr.Ypsi please  accept my apology.

No problem - no harm, no foul.

Or as sometimes seems the case with refs in the midwest: no ambulance, no foul!

Must be some of the same refs who have taken the ferry across to the Great Lakes

[Ralph Turner]

In the Southwest...

I see five teams worth watching after the first three weeks of games.

ASC-East -- UTDallas has beaten Austin College and HPU.  The win over HPU came today (77-55).  (Sorry that I didn't get to the game, but work and football and McMurry UT-Tyler...so many distractions,  so little time.)  UT-Dallas beat UT-Platteville in Tyler last week but lost to CSB in OT.

UT-Tyler lost in the final minute as they hosted McMurry, 66-65.  UT-Tyler picked up senior (ASC-East 2007 POTY) Marzeta Shepard from ETBU.  (That shakes up the balance of power.  I doubt there will be even less love between the private school and the new public school with the new facilities and cheap tuition.)  UT-Tyler beat CSB at home last weekend, but lost to UWP.

ASC-West

HPU has two wins over Colorado College, but lost at UT-Dallas.

McMurry is edging by.  They have cliffhanger wins over UT-Tyler, Mississippi College and Louisiana College.  They lost by 6 at NAIA-1 Wayland Baptist in the first weekend.

HSU and UMHB are still unknown quantities.

Trinity TX (SCAC) beat Colorado College 70-65 in the Springs on Friday night.  TU has wins over Chapman and PP but lost to Redlands. 

[Hoosier Titan]

I've been missing the updates on the top 25 which David Collinge did so reliably last year.  So, since someone had to do it, here's a first effort.  I may not be able to keep up every week, so if anyone is interested in helping out, please let me know!

Thanks, David, for getting this started, and to scottiedawg for taking it up on the men's board.

For the week of 1-7 December:

#1  UW-Whitewater ( 4-1) lost at #24 UW-Stevens Point   84-76
#2  Oglethorpe (6-1)  lost at Emory 85-84, def. #23 DePauw 84-81, and def. Centre 83-67
#3  Kean  (6-0) won at Richard Stockton 88-80 and won at Rutgers Newark 59-41
#4  Rochester (6-0) def. Rochester Tech 93-47 and def. Carnegie Mellon 60-46
#5  Illinois Wesleyan (5-0) def. Missouri Baptist 86-59 and def. Maryville (Mo.) 92-82
#6  Thomas More (7-0) def. Bethany 86-59 and def. Thiel 69-46
#7  Hope (5-0) Won at Albion 80-54 and def. Alma 63-46
#8  Messiah (5-0) Won at Scranton 79-62
#9  Washington U. (4-3) lost  to Whitworth 73-68 and lost  to Whitman 72-60
#10  Howard Payne (6-1) def. East Texas Baptist 70-46, def. University of the Ozarks 67-49, and lost  to Texas-Dallas 77-55.    
#11  Simpson (7-0) def. Buena Vista 65-52 and def. Cornell 70-33
#12  Brandeis (8-0) def. Emmanuel 94-52, def. Wheaton (MA) 69-54, and def. Babson 81-57
#13  Amherst (8-0) def. Keene State 54-47, def. Western New England 69-38, and def. Westfield State 80-59
#14  Baldwin-Wallace (3-2) def. Wittenberg 77-57 and lost  at Capital 51-42.
#15  UW-Eau Claire (7-0) def. Minn. Duluth 67-52 and def. UW-Stout 73-68.
#16  Marymount (5-0) def. Gallaudet 80-42 and def. St. Mary's (MD) 89-66.
#17  DeSales (5-1) def. FDU-Florham 78-72 and def. Misericordia 58-49.
#18  Chicago (6-1) def. Wheaton (IL) 66-55 and def. Elmhurst 61-48.
#19  Mary Washington (7-0) def. Salisbury 80-46 and def. Hood 88-35.
#20  Tufts (5-1) def. Salem State 66-62 and def. Colby Sawyer 68-43.
#21  Muhlenberg (6-0) def. Haverford 68-55, def. Swarthmore 83-70, and def. Franklin and Marshall 62-54.
#22  Bowdoin (4-2) lost to #25 Southern Maine 75-72 and def. Colby 71-61.
#23  DePauw (4-3) lost at #2 Oglethorpe 84-81 and def. Sewanee 59-46.
#24  UW-Stevens Point (6-1) def. North Central (IL) 89-55 and def. #1 UW-Whitewater  84-76.
#25  Southern Maine (6-0) def. #22 Bowdoin 75-72 and def. Keene State 61-47.

[Ralph Turner]

+1!  Thanks Hoosier Titan!  Great job!   

[Hoosier Titan]

Thanks, Ralph!  Anything to avoid more grading! 

Movers in the poll this week (in votes)

Rising:

UW-Stevens Point +197
UW-Eau Claire +159
NYU +97
Amherst +88
Brandeis +84
Mary Washington +79
S. Maine +77
Muhlenberg +59
Whitman +58
Simpson +56
Rochester +53
Illinois Wesleyan +51
Kean +46
Emory +46
Hope +43
Messiah +38
Marymount +36
George Fox +23
Tufts +17
Thomas More +16
Chicago + 13

Falling:

DeSales -26
Bowdoin -94
DePauw -103
Howard Payne -199
UW-Whitewater -200
Baldwin Wallace -205
Oglethorpe -214
Wash. U. -351

[Darryl Nester]

I've been missing the updates on the top 25 which David Collinge did so reliably last year.  So, since someone had to do it, here's a first effort.  I may not be able to keep up every week, so if anyone is interested in helping out, please let me know!

Well done, Hoosier Titan.  I also needed a distraction from grading this week, so I thought I would take you up on your request for help.  I wrote a program to automate this process, so if you spot any inaccuracies in this list, please point them out so I can figure out what went wrong.  I know that the week is not over, but here is how things have gone since the last poll (including all teams receiving votes):

#1 Kean (7-0): def. #6 Messiah, 59-50; 12/13 at #15 Mary Washington
#2 Rochester (7-0): def. William Smith, 50-37; 12/12 vs. Union
#3 Illinois Wesleyan (5-0): 12/13 at #17 Chicago
#4 Hope (5-0): 12/13 vs. Cornerstone
#5 Thomas More (7-0): IDLE
#6 Messiah (5-1): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; 12/13 at #18 DeSales
#7 UW-Whitewater (6-1): def. Wheaton (Ill.), 88-56; def. Cornell, 79-50; 12/13 at UW-Superior
#8 UW-Eau Claire (8-0): def. UW-Platteville, 59-47; 12/13 vs. T#40 UW-La Crosse
#9 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#10 Simpson (7-0): 12/13 vs. William Penn
#11 Oglethorpe (6-1): IDLE
#12 Amherst (9-0): def. Clark, 77-55
#13 UW-Stevens Point (7-1): def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 58-56; 12/12 at Luther
#14 Marymount (5-0): 12/14 at New Jersey
#15 Mary Washington (7-0): 12/13 vs. #1 Kean
#16 Muhlenberg (6-0): IDLE
#17 Chicago (6-1): 12/13 vs. #3 Illinois Wesleyan
#18 DeSales (6-1): def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 72-51; 12/13 vs. #6 Messiah
#19 Howard Payne (6-1): 12/13 vs. Sul Ross State
#20 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#21 Southern Maine (7-0): def. Salem State, 59-32; 12/13 at Mass-Dartmouth
#22 New York University (8-0): def. Drew, 81-49
#23 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#24 Whitman (7-0): def. Walla Walla, 89-42; 12/12 at Eastern Ore.; 12/13 vs. Col. of Idaho
#25 George Fox (4-0): 12/12 vs. Northwest (Wash); 12/13 vs. Chapman
#26 McMurry (4-1): IDLE
#27 Baldwin-Wallace (3-2): 12/13 at Ohio Northern
#28 St. Norbert (4-2): IDLE
#29 Moravian (6-1): def. East Stroudsburg, 73-68 OT
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): def. Husson, 77-59; def. Colby-Sawyer, 54-45
#31 Wilmington (5-1): LOST at #35 Capital, 43-74; 12/13 at Marietta
T#32 Texas-Dallas (6-1): IDLE
T#32 Washington U. (4-3): 12/13 vs. Fontbonne
#34 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#35 Capital (4-1): def. #31 Wilmington, 74-43; 12/13 at John Carroll
#36 St. Benedict (6-1): def. St. Catherine's, 66-59; def. Macalester, 66-61
#37 York (Pa.) (8-1): def. Salisbury, 85-49
#38 DePauw (4-3): 12/13 at Augustana
#39 Scranton (3-3): IDLE
T#40 Eastern Connecticut (5-1): def. Mount Holyoke, 59-26; 12/13 at Mass-Boston
T#40 UW-La Crosse (5-2): LOST (at home) to #13 UW-Stevens Point, 56-58; 12/13 at #8 UW-Eau Claire

[Hoosier Titan]

Hey, Darryl, you got yourself a job!  Well done, indeed!   Although writing a program would (for me) feel as much like work as, well, grading!  But I'm really glad you did it, and I don't see anything amiss.  Thanks for doing this!

[Hoosier Titan]

How they fared through Dec. 14:

#1 Kean (7-1): def. #6 Messiah, 59-50; LOST at #15 Mary Washington 67-58
#2 Rochester (8-0): def. William Smith, 50-37; def. Union 79-73 OT
#3 Illinois Wesleyan (6-0): def. #17 Chicago 64-47
#4 Hope (6-0): def. Cornerstone 76-69
#5 Thomas More (7-0): IDLE
#6 Messiah (5-2): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; LOST at #18 DeSales 70-64
#7 UW-Whitewater (7-1): def. Wheaton (Ill.), 88-56; def. Cornell, 79-50; def. UW-Superior 76-53
#8 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): def. UW-Platteville, 59-47; def. T#40 UW-La Crosse 66-52
#9 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#10 Simpson (8-0): def. William Penn 95-57
#11 Oglethorpe (6-1): IDLE
#12 Amherst (9-0): def. Clark, 77-55
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 58-56; def. Luther 68-39
#14 Marymount (5-1): LOST at New Jersey 66-49
#15 Mary Washington (8-0): def. #1 Kean 67-58
#16 Muhlenberg (6-0): IDLE
#17 Chicago (6-2): LOST to #3 Illinois Wesleyan 64-47
#18 DeSales (7-1): def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 72-51; def. #6 Messiah 70-64
#19 Howard Payne (7-1): def. Sul Ross State 71-53
#20 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#21 Southern Maine (8-0): def. Salem State, 59-32; def. Mass-Dartmouth 61-48
#22 New York University (8-0): def. Drew, 81-49
#23 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#24 Whitman (8-1): def. Walla Walla, 89-42; def. Eastern Oregon 80-74;  LOST to Col. of Idaho 65-62
#25 George Fox (6-0): def. Northwest (Wash) 71-55; def. Chapman 82-52
#26 McMurry (4-1): IDLE
#27 Baldwin-Wallace (3-3): LOST at Ohio Northern 67-60
#28 St. Norbert (4-2): IDLE
#29 Moravian (6-1): def. East Stroudsburg, 73-68 OT
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): def. Husson, 77-59; def. Colby-Sawyer, 54-45
#31 Wilmington (6-1): LOST at #35 Capital, 43-74; def. Marietta 72-59
T#32 Texas-Dallas (6-1): IDLE
T#32 Washington U. (5-3): def. Fontbonne 81-28
#34 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#35 Capital (5-1): def. #31 Wilmington, 74-43; def. John Carroll 74-60
#36 St. Benedict (6-1): def. St. Catherine's, 66-59; def. Macalester, 66-61
#37 York (Pa.) (8-1): def. Salisbury, 85-49
#38 DePauw (5-3): def. Augustana 58-43
#39 Scranton (3-3): IDLE
T#40 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): def. Mount Holyoke, 59-26; def. Mass-Boston 66-37
T#40 UW-La Crosse (5-3): LOST (at home) to #13 UW-Stevens Point, 56-58; LOST at #8 UW-Eau Claire 80-7466-52

[Hoosier Titan]

I know I said I was turning this over to Darryl, but with a few more losses  this week I was charting them for myself, and it just got done.  Any formatting mishaps are mine!

[Darryl Nester]

Hoosier Titan, you beat me to it ... only one correction (though I confess I didn't read through everything you wrote):

#6 Messiah (5-1): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; LOST at #18 DeSales 70-64

Messiah now sits at 5-2.

[Hoosier Titan]

Thanks, Darryl! 

[Ralph Turner]

I hope that the two of you will collaborate.

It is nice to have an extra sets of eyes and a back-up poster to handle scheduling difficulties.

[hoop junkie]

New to the top 25 discussion, was trying to find out, are these accurate rankings of the top 40 teams, or are these just teams that you feel should be the top teams. Missing quite a few schools if it is accurate, would like to shed some info on some teams from the Atlantic region if possible.

[Ralph Turner]

New to the top 25 discussion, was trying to find out, are these accurate rankings of the top 40 teams, or are these just teams that you feel should be the top teams. Missing quite a few schools if it is accurate, would like to shed some info on some teams from the Atlantic region if possible.

The Atlantic Region is one of the smaller regions, only 44 teams.  That is a little less than 1/9th of D3.  In the Top 25, we find Kean NJ, Marymount and Mary Washington.

From the Mid-Atlantic Region, we have Messiah, Scranton, Muhlenberg  and DeSales in the Top 25 and Moravian receiving votes.

That is a very healthy representation from the area.

Who do you think is missing that should be on the radar?