Top 25 discussion

[WWWRHH]

The final top 25 poll has proved to be a good indicator of tournament success-to-date.  Given the lack of common opponents between regions the fact that the top eight ranked schools are still playing is a case of insightful voters, an indication that success breeds success in D3 or a combination of the two.

Going into the sweet 16 round the following rankings are still playing:

@ Thomas More:  2, 3, 5, 7

@IWU: 1,4,6  (St. Benedict would be number 26 based on vote totals)

@ Rochester: 8, 12, 20

@Amherst: 11,14,18,25


Only 2 of the top four teams have a chance to reach the finals.

There have been very few real upsets other than unranked TCNJ's victories over #19 DeSalles and #16 Tufts, and St. Benedict over Whitewater.

It looks like the eventual tourney champ will come from the IWU or Thomas More regional - if the poll results remain true to form.

Of, course I am HOPEing for a mild upset in the finals  .

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm also hoping for the finals match-up you hint at (minus the upset, of course)!

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm also hoping for the finals match-up you hint at (minus the upset, of course)!

Alas, we both lost one game short of Holland.

[Scottatlga]

Just saw the Final D3hoops Top 25 Poll - how can Oglethorpe drop below Thomas More?  They both lost in the Sweet 16 on Thomas More's floor...OU lost to George Fox, the eventual National Champion and Thomas More lost to Hope - OU falls 4 spots & TM falls only 1?  Oglethorpe also beat Thomas More in their head-to-head meeting in December (and in the 2nd round of the 2008 NCAA Tournament).  Outrageous!

[Wydown Blvd.]

Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. 

[sunny]

Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. 

I sort of thought of the men's poll released first as being the opening act.  After all, there is a lot more intrigue in the women's poll, since it was sort of a no-brainer that Wash U would be No. 1.

[Ralph Turner]

Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. 

I understand that they are a separate set of voters.

I do not accept the premise that it is because of "secondary concern".

[Pat Coleman]

Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. 

Otherwise the women could share the front page and the spotlight with the men's poll. This way, they get a separate slot of time on the front page and they get their own notice, independent of the men's poll.

[Wydown Blvd.]

Pat, glad there was thought to having the women's poll come out second. I thought it was just because of the separate set of voters which I see as more of an excuse than a reason.

[Ralph Turner]

The "Texas Sub-bracket" is back.

I don't know how much separation that the teams in this part of the country can get, but Trinity, Hardin-Simmons, McMurry, and Howard Payne look loaded.

#15 Trinity beat McMurry at home in OT last night 91-90.

On Friday night, Trinity beat HSU, 79-69, but HSU picked up ASC-East All-Division and 2009 Preseason All-American Becky Taylor who transferred from UT-Tyler.  HSU only has 3 upperclasswomen in the playing corps.

[Mr. Ypsi]

In case anyone missed it, yesterday #6 IWU dropped # 1 WashU (58-53).

This raises my hopes that IWU can be present when the Final Four comes to Shirk.   On the other hand, we beat WashU in the regular season last year, too, only to have them knock us out in the Elite Eight.

[Darryl Nester]

Here is the first "How They Fared" report of the 2009-10 season; the list is so large (57 teams) that it might be too much to take in, but I wanted to make sure the program I wrote last season was still working ....  Scores in italics had not yet been posted to the scoreboard; I hope I got all of those correct (and also adjusted the records of those teams).

Edited to strike out the Howard Payne loss in an exhibition game.  Please let me know if there are other exhibition games included in this list.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	588	Washington U.	2-1	def. Augustana, 71-36; def. #12 DePauw, 57-52; LOST at #6 Illinois Wesleyan, 53-58
#2	579	Amherst	2-0	def. FDU-Florham, 80-37; def. T#54 Western Connecticut, 85-71
#3	577	Hope	3-0	def. Madonna, 82-70; def. Rochester (Mich.), 86-38; def. Wittenberg, 80-49
#4	509	George Fox	3-0	def. Corban, 74-41; def. Concordia (Ore.), 58-46; def. Oregon Tech, 82-64
#5	492	Scranton	3-0	def. Montclair State, 71-65; def. Alvernia, 57-47; def. #10 Muhlenberg, 62-42
#6	441	Illinois Wesleyan	3-0	def. Blackburn, 95-43; def. Central, 85-60; def. #1 Washington U., 58-53
#7	394	Bowdoin	2-0	def. Springfield, 88-60; def. #47 Eastern Connecticut, 63-56
#8	385	UW-Whitewater	1-0	def. Loras, 85-69
#9	359	Brandeis	4-0	def. Worcester Polytech, 66-32; def. T#56 Babson, 68-58; def. Wentworth, 56-49; def. Bates, 63-41
#10	331	Muhlenberg	1-1	def. Pitt-Bradford, 93-50; LOST to #5 Scranton, 42-62
#11	294	Kean	2-1	LOST at Rutgers, 49-85; def. Husson, 82-49; def. Ithaca, 65-52
#12	261	DePauw	1-1	LOST to (n) #1 Washington U., 52-57; def. Central, 86-61
#13	238	Southern Maine	2-1	LOST at University of New England, 55-72; def. Curry, 74-50; def. Maine-Farmington, 64-34
#14	222	Chicago	3-0	def. Olivet, 66-50; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 76-34; def. Coe, 64-57
#15	216	Moravian	3-1	def. Elizabethtown, 79-44; def. #21 New Jersey, 72-68; def. St. Vincent, 83-65; LOST at Dickinson, 65-67
#16	205	Howard Payne	2-0	LOST at Texas-Arlington, 46-58; def. Texas-Tyler, 75-48; def. #17 Texas-Dallas, 69-56
#17	184	Texas-Dallas	2-1	def. Austin, 51-48; def. Dallas Christian, 82-33; LOST to #16 Howard Payne, 56-69
#18	175	Trinity (Texas)	2-0	def. T#54 Hardin-Simmons, 79-69; def. McMurry, 91-90 OT
#19	147	New York University	3-1	def. Oswego State, 71-65; LOST to Mount St. Mary, 52-58; def. Mount St. Vincent, 59-49; def. SUNY-Purchase, 59-56
#20	144	Marymount	4-0	def. Gallaudet, 68-59; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 93-38; def. King's, 64-51; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 69-59
#21	141	New Jersey	2-2	LOST to T#42 Stevens, 46-48; LOST to #15 Moravian, 68-72; def. Swarthmore, 69-43; def. Haverford, 68-44
#22	119	Capital	1-1	LOST at #38 Washington and Jefferson, 48-56; def. Westminster (Pa.), 68-38
#23	110	UW-Stevens Point	3-0	def. Viterbo, 68-48; def. Rockford, 75-49; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 69-67
#24	107	St. Benedict	1-0	def. #30 UW-Eau Claire, 74-67
#25	104	UW-Stout	0-3	LOST at St. Cloud St., 79-90; LOST at Cardinal Stritch, 42-65; LOST at Carroll, 71-85

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	93	Rochester	2-0	def. Oneonta State, 58-40; def. #41 Baldwin-Wallace, 78-62
#27	87	Tufts	1-1	LOST at New Paltz State, 78-80 2OT; def. York (N.Y.), 68-60
#28	76	Randolph-Macon	2-0	def. T#51 Greensboro, 77-51; def. Methodist, 74-50
#29	70	Messiah	3-0	def. Susquehanna, 73-72; def. Washington College, 77-54; def. McDaniel, 76-62
#30	49	UW-Eau Claire	0-1	LOST to #24 St. Benedict, 67-74
#31	41	DeSales	3-0	def. Cedar Crest, 97-72; def. Juniata, 71-70 OT; def. Wesley, 67-46
#32	39	St. Norbert	2-0	def. Dubuque, 74-48; def. UW-La Crosse, 54-35
#33	38	Centre	2-1	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 64-54; def. LaGrange, 84-43; LOST to T#35 Thomas More, 72-77
#34	33	Mary Washington	3-0	def. Washington and Lee, 64-55; def. Richard Stockton, 59-44; def. Johns Hopkins, 54-49
T#35	30	Cortland State	2-1	def. Elmira, 66-37; LOST to (n) Ithaca, 52-55; def. Husson, 72-58
T#35	30	Thomas More	2-0	def. LaGrange, 90-60; def. #33 Centre, 77-72
#37	26	Roanoke	2-0	def. St. Mary's (Md.), 59-54; def. Widener, 59-54
#38	23	Washington and Jefferson	3-0	def. Case Western Reserve, 70-65; def. #22 Capital, 56-48; def. Albion, 55-42
#39	22	Transylvania	2-1	def. Spalding, 80-69; LOST to (n) Ohio Northern, 62-65; def. Kalamazoo, 74-54
#40	19	William Paterson	3-0	def. Manhattanville, 63-54; def. Clark, 85-47; def. Bridgewater State, 77-68
#41	17	Baldwin-Wallace	1-1	def. Williams, 70-59; LOST at #26 Rochester, 62-78
T#42	16	Baruch	2-0	def. Castleton State, 77-45; def. Plattsburgh State, 110-81
T#42	16	Stevens	2-1	def. #21 New Jersey, 48-46; def. New Jersey City, 71-47; LOST to T#56 Babson, 56-66
T#42	16	Whitman	1-1	def. Macalester, 62-59; LOST to Lewis-Clark St., 64-74
#45	15	Simpson	2-0	def. Olivet, 92-56; def. North Central (Ill.), 95-71
#46	10	Emmanuel	3-0	def. Lesley, 72-58; def. Roger Williams, 74-58; def. Mount St. Mary, 59-53
#47	8	Eastern Connecticut	1-1	def. Manhattanville, 65-55; LOST to #7 Bowdoin, 56-63
T#48	5	Calvin	3-0	def. Cornerstone, 69-50; def. Marian (Ind.)  @ Wilmington, OH, 68-50; def. Wilmington, 67-59
T#48	5	Keene State	3-0	def. Nichols, 83-52; def. Regis (Mass.), 73-64; def. University of New England, 84-47
#50	4	Pitt-Greensburg	1-1	LOST at Allegheny, 57-58; def. Westfield State, 67-49
T#51	3	Greensboro	1-2	LOST to Guilford, 69-81; LOST at #28 Randolph-Macon, 51-77; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 61-59
T#51	3	Mount Union	3-0	def. Westminster (Pa.), 65-60; def. Notre Dame (Ohio)  @ Nan Nicholls TS, 83-74; def. Wooster, 64-55
T#51	3	Puget Sound	2-1	def. Northwest (Wash), 70-45; LOST at Evergreen St., 45-46; def. Menlo, 78-42
T#54	2	Hardin-Simmons	1-1	LOST at #18 Trinity (Texas), 69-79; def. St. Olaf, 66-50
T#54	2	Western Connecticut	2-1	def. Hunter, 88-73; def. Staten Island, 87-59; LOST at Amherst, 71-85
T#56	1	Babson	2-1	LOST to #9 Brandeis, 58-68; def. Wesleyan, 66-37; def. T#42 Stevens, 66-56
T#56	1	Occidental	1-1	def. La Sierra, 94-36; LOST at Westmont, 75-89

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks Darryl.

The Howard Payne game with UT-Arlington on Nov 10th was an exhibition.

Thanks again, and +1! 

[Darryl Nester]

Ralph -- thanks for the message about the UT-Arlington game; I'll remove that game from the results.  (My program automatically pulled it out of the schedule posted at d3hoops.com; I didn't look through the list to check for exhibition games.)

[ronk]

  If all games against D1 opponents are exhibitions, then Kean's loss to Rutgers would qualify.