Top 25 discussion

[Mr. Ypsi]

  If all games against D1 opponents are exhibitions, then Kean's loss to Rutgers would qualify.

Some are, some aren't.  I don't know about that one specifically.

[Ralph Turner]

  If all games against D1 opponents are exhibitions, then Kean's loss to Rutgers would qualify.

Some are, some aren't.  I don't know about that one specifically.

I think that a game on Nov 15th forward must count towards the 25-game schedule. 

[Laserty]

So what do we think this weeks poll will bring. Amherst? Hope? Ill. Wesleyan? One of them has to be #1...

[saratoga]

It has to be IWU or Scranton based upon who they've played & where. Amherst simply has not played a schedule thus far that warrents the honor.
I'm certainly not saying they won't be there at the end...just not at this time with such uneventful early season bookings.

[Hoosier Titan]

Here's a plug for IWU.  In the past week they've defeated #1 Wash U and # 23 UW-Stevens Point, both tough and well-coached teams, with NAIA DI Olivet Nazarene playing a run-and-gun Loyola Marymount style in between.  The Titans defeated ON 108-83, setting a school record for rebounds with 64. 

[sumfun]

Amherst has only played Western Connecticut, top 50 in D3 Hoops.  This week plays Keene State which is a WBCA top 25 and also are undefeated.  That will be a good barometer for them.  Certainly nothing the caliber of IWU beating Wash U, but they have starting 5 back and the sophomores really seem to be contributing after their Final 4 run last year.  I go with Amherst, but certainly it's a tossup.

[Ralph Turner]

Louisiana College hung the worst defeat ever by a D3 school on the McMurry women (LIB) yesterday, 70-40.  They totally controlled the game.

LaCollege lost to D-1 Northwestern (LA) State 75-65 in an exhibition.  The Lady Wildcats beat NAIA-1 William Carey (MS) 79-67 on November 19th.

They also play HSU on Monday night, Millsaps on Dec 12th and then catch Howard Payne at home on December 19th.

Lady Wildcats are coached by former D-1 (San Jose State) coach Janice Joseph-Richards, who was Western Athletic Conference Coach of the Year in 2002. 

http://www.lcwildcats.net/staff.aspx?staff=10

A breast cancer survivor, Coach Joseph-Richard has come home to her alma mater, Louisiana College, to continue coaching.  She may be establishing a dynasty.  Let's see what she can put together.  If she goes 21-3 in the regular season, I believe that she should be getting votes by the end of the regular season.

The other non-conference games are at Wiley (TX) College (NAIA-1) on January 2nd and Dillard (NOLA) University (NAIA-1) on Jan 18th.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

Women's games:
Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	588	Washington U.	4-1	def. Rose-Hulman, 75-37; def. Rhodes, 82-62
#2	579	Amherst	3-0	def. Mount Holyoke, 71-24
#3	577	Hope	4-0	def. Defiance, 83-60
#4	509	George Fox	4-1	def. Chapman, 59-46; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 48-54
#5	492	Scranton	4-0	def. Cabrini, 49-44
#6	441	Illinois Wesleyan	5-0	def. Olivet Nazarene, 108-83; def. #23 UW-Stevens Point, 84-80
#7	394	Bowdoin	3-0	def. University of New England, 78-51
#8	385	UW-Whitewater	4-0	def. Coe, 69-63 OT; def. Buena Vista, 83-68; def. #45 Simpson, 83-70
#9	359	Brandeis	5-1	def. Wellesley, 64-52; LOST to #27 Tufts, 50-60
#10	331	Muhlenberg	2-1	def. McDaniel, 70-64
#11	294	Kean	3-1	def. John Jay, 104-30
#12	261	DePauw	3-2	def. Anderson, 66-46; LOST at T#35 Thomas More, 67-70 OT; def. Manchester, 57-43
#13	238	Southern Maine	4-1	def. Bates, 71-52; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 67-50
#14	222	Chicago	4-1	def. Carroll, 62-49; LOST to Carthage, 62-64
#15	216	Moravian	4-1	def. #31 DeSales, 51-48
#16	205	Howard Payne	3-0	def. LeTourneau, 58-51
#17	184	Texas-Dallas	3-1	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 61-46
#18	175	Trinity (Texas)	3-0	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 77-67
#19	147	New York University	4-1	def. Polytechnic, 78-51
#20	144	Marymount	4-0	IDLE
#21	141	New Jersey	2-2	IDLE
#22	119	Capital	2-1	def. Wittenberg, 55-49 OT
#23	110	UW-Stevens Point	4-1	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 93-66; LOST at #6 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-84
#24	107	St. Benedict	2-1	def. Wartburg, 78-70; LOST at #25 UW-Stout, 76-85
#25	104	UW-Stout	3-3	def. Northwestern (Minn.), 81-67; def. St. Scholastica, 90-52; def. #24 St. Benedict, 85-76

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	93	Rochester	3-1	LOST at Nazareth, 55-69; def. Oswego State, 66-45
#27	87	Tufts	3-1	def. Endicott, 75-64; def. #9 Brandeis, 60-50
#28	76	Randolph-Macon	3-0	def. Virginia Wesleyan, 76-58
#29	70	Messiah	3-0	IDLE
#30	49	UW-Eau Claire	1-3	LOST at #32 St. Norbert, 49-75; LOST to Northwestern (Minn.), 54-57; def. Carleton, 68-54
#31	41	DeSales	3-1	LOST to #15 Moravian, 48-51
#32	39	St. Norbert	4-0	def. #30 UW-Eau Claire, 75-49; def. UW-Oshkosh, 60-41
#33	38	Centre	2-3	LOST to #39 Transylvania, 57-58; LOST at Hanover, 57-67
#34	33	Mary Washington	3-1	LOST at Shenandoah, 54-56
T#35	30	Cortland State	2-1	IDLE
T#35	30	Thomas More	4-0	def. #12 DePauw, 70-67 OT; def. Oglethorpe, 82-56
#37	26	Roanoke	3-0	def. Guilford, 55-48
#38	23	Washington and Jefferson	4-0	def. Allegheny, 53-39
#39	22	Transylvania	4-1	def. #33 Centre, 58-57; def. Berea, 77-56
#40	19	William Paterson	5-0	def. T#42 Stevens, 71-52; def. FDU-Florham, 79-54
#41	17	Baldwin-Wallace	2-2	LOST to Case Western Reserve, 78-80 OT; def. Wilmington, 63-58
T#42	16	Baruch	2-0	IDLE
T#42	16	Stevens	2-3	LOST to #40 William Paterson, 52-71; LOST to Montclair State, 54-66
T#42	16	Whitman	1-3	LOST at Col. of Idaho, 48-66; LOST to (n) Eastern Ore.  @ Nampa, Idaho, 53-62
#45	15	Simpson	3-1	def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 88-66; LOST to #8 UW-Whitewater, 70-83
#46	10	Emmanuel	4-0	def. #47 Eastern Connecticut, 68-58
#47	8	Eastern Connecticut	1-2	LOST to #46 Emmanuel, 58-68
T#48	5	Calvin	5-0	def. Elmhurst, 79-66; def. Siena Heights  @ Olivet, Mich., 86-73
T#48	5	Keene State	4-0	def. Trinity (Conn.), 66-50
#50	4	Pitt-Greensburg	2-2	def. Hilbert, 109-46; LOST to Juniata, 52-69
T#51	3	Greensboro	1-2	IDLE
T#51	3	Mount Union	4-0	def. Hiram, 90-52
T#51	3	Puget Sound	4-1	def. Eastern Ore.  @ Caldwell, Idaho, 67-49; def. Col. of Idaho, 60-51
T#54	2	Hardin-Simmons	1-2	LOST at Mississippi College, 58-70
T#54	2	Western Connecticut	3-1	def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 80-45
T#56	1	Babson	2-1	IDLE
T#56	1	Occidental	3-1	def. Chapman, 79-69; def. Fontbonne, 95-74

[David Collinge]

How They Fared

Women's games:

#4

509

George Fox

4-1

def. Chapman, 59-46; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 48-54

Congratulations to Cal Lu on the big win.  It's especially good to see (Cal Lu coach) Roy Dow make news for winning a game.  If ever there was a coach who deserved more victories than he got, it's Coach Dow.

[rdow]

Thank you David.

[Mr. Ypsi]

In their first game as the #1 team, IWU downed formerly 6-0 Missouri Baptist, 75-62.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared -- through December 6

Results in italics were not posted; I looked them up and entered them myself.  In those cases, I tried to fix that team's record, but I might have missed something.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	602	Illinois Wesleyan	7-0	def. Mo. Baptist, 75-62; def. #22 Chicago, 64-57
#2	584	Amherst	6-0	def. T#40 Keene State, 72-47; def. RPI, 74-36; def. #46 Baruch, 79-59
#3	582	Hope	5-0	def. Aquinas, 86-53
#4	525	Scranton	5-1	def. Stevens, 76-63; LOST to #23 Moravian, 63-73
#5	520	Washington U.	5-1	def. Elmhurst, 77-60
#6	494	UW-Whitewater	5-1	def. UW-La Crosse, 68-50; LOST at UW-Stout, 54-65
#7	472	Bowdoin	5-0	def. #17 Southern Maine, 60-47; def. Colby, 65-56
#8	410	Howard Payne	6-0	def. East Texas Baptist, 69-63; def. University of the Ozarks, 51-49; def. #21 Texas-Dallas, 76-61
#9	398	Kean	5-1	def. Rutgers-Camden, 89-47; def. Montclair State, 83-51
#10	387	George Fox	4-2	LOST to Lewis-Clark St., 51-64
#11	324	Trinity (Texas)	5-0	def. Otterbein, 72-71; def. Southwestern, 68-53
#12	277	Marymount	6-0	def. St. Mary's (Md.), 59-50; def. Wesley, 72-69
#13	211	Thomas More	6-0	def. Grove City, 77-56; def. Chatham, 78-48
#14	209	Brandeis	6-2	LOST at #32 Emmanuel, 67-78; def. Roger Williams, 66-31
#15	195	UW-Stevens Point	5-2	def. UW-Stout, 78-63; LOST at UW-River Falls, 61-72
#16	194	Muhlenberg	4-1	def. #47 Dickinson, 76-69; def. Washington College, 83-65
#17	143	Southern Maine	4-3	LOST to #7 Bowdoin, 47-60; LOST to Western Connecticut, 50-70
#18	141	Randolph-Macon	4-1	LOST at Lynchburg, 65-68; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 81-72
#19	139	Washington and Jefferson	5-1	def. Geneva, 72-55; LOST to Grove City, 70-72
#20	135	St. Norbert	5-1	LOST at Lake Forest, 67-68; def. Monmouth, 77-44
#21	126	Texas-Dallas	5-2	def. Concordia-Austin, 80-71; def. Sul Ross State, 65-50; LOST at #8 Howard Payne, 61-76
#22	112	Chicago	5-2	def. Wheaton (Ill.), 49-42; LOST to #1 Illinois Wesleyan, 57-64
#23	107	Moravian	5-1	def. #4 Scranton, 73-63
#24	98	Messiah	5-0	def. Albright, 58-38; def. Elizabethtown, 58-49
#25	93	Calvin	7-1	def. Manchester, 60-44; LOST at #31 Carthage, 47-58; def. Calumet Col., 81-73

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	89	New Jersey	2-4	LOST to Rowan, 60-68; LOST at Salisbury, 49-53
#27	86	DePauw	4-3	def. Rhodes, 78-67; LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 66-74
#28	73	William Paterson	7-0	def. Ramapo, 73-66; def. York (N.Y.), 69-48
#29	67	Tufts	5-1	def. Salem State, 79-50; def. Colby-Sawyer, 74-48
#30	62	New York University	4-2	LOST at Skidmore, 51-65
#31	40	Carthage	6-0	def. Lake Forest, 78-59; def. #25 Calvin, 58-47
#32	32	Emmanuel	6-0	def. #14 Brandeis, 78-67; def. Endicott, 59-55
#33	31	Rochester	4-2	def. Rochester Tech, 70-68; LOST at Emory, 50-60
#34	29	Capital	3-1	def. Otterbein, 71-56
#35	22	Puget Sound	4-1	IDLE
#36	15	DeSales	3-3	LOST to Manhattanville, 48-60; LOST at Delaware Valley, 54-69
T#37	14	Nazareth	5-1	def. Elmira, 57-54; LOST to Utica, 65-68
T#37	14	St. Benedict	4-1	def. Bethel, 60-45; def. Carleton, 73-55
#39	13	Simpson	5-1	def. Central, 88-81; def. Cornell, 72-44
T#40	12	Keene State	5-1	LOST at #2 Amherst, 47-72; def. Mass-Boston, 67-35
T#40	12	Mount Union	6-0	def. Marietta, 87-69; def. Wilmington, 77-58
T#40	12	Roanoke	6-0	def. Bridgewater (Va.), 59-51; def. Randolph, 80-42; def. Hollins, 88-38
#43	8	Cal Lutheran	5-0	def. La Sierra, 85-60; def. Pacific Lutheran, 78-59; def. #44 Lewis and Clark, 68-67
#44	5	Lewis and Clark	6-2	def. Corban, 72-48; def. Whittier, 78-69; def. Occidental, 70-59; LOST at #43 Cal Lutheran, 67-68
#45	4	Mary Washington	5-1	def. Wesley, 60-41; def. Hood, 67-30
#46	3	Baruch	4-1	def. Medgar Evers, 77-48; def. Trinity (Conn.), 74-61; LOST at #2 Amherst, 59-79
#47	2	Dickinson	4-2	LOST to #16 Muhlenberg, 69-76; LOST to McDaniel, 55-70; def. Johns Hopkins, 68-61
T#48	1	Babson	5-1	def. Worcester State, 62-48; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 70-58; def. Smith, 72-60
T#48	1	New Paltz State	5-1	def. Plattsburgh State, 87-48; def. Potsdam State, 70-59

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared -- Midweek report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	611	Illinois Wesleyan	7-0	12/12 vs. St. Francis (Ill.)
#2	590	Amherst	7-0	def. #17 Emmanuel, 85-38; 12/10 at Eastern Connecticut
#3	588	Hope	5-0	12/10 at Trine; 12/12 vs. Olivet; 12/13 vs. TBA
#4	544	Washington U.	6-1	def. Fontbonne, 96-53
#5	513	Bowdoin	6-0	def. Husson, 79-58; 12/10 vs. Colby-Sawyer
#6	489	Howard Payne	6-0	12/12 vs. Sul Ross State
#7	475	Kean	6-1	def. T#38 DeSales, 71-59
#8	413	Trinity (Texas)	5-0	IDLE
#9	386	Marymount	6-0	12/13 vs. St. Elizabeth
#10	359	Thomas More	6-0	12/12 at Westminster (Pa.)
#11	336	UW-Whitewater	5-1	12/10 at #24 UW-Stevens Point; 12/12 at UW-Superior
#12	313	Moravian	5-2	LOST to #14 Muhlenberg, 71-84; 12/12 vs. Albright
#13	279	Scranton	5-1	IDLE
#14	230	Muhlenberg	6-1	def. #12 Moravian, 84-71; def. Bryn Mawr, 74-48; 12/12 vs. Franklin and Marshall
#15	221	Messiah	7-0	def. Johns Hopkins, 65-43; def. Lehman, 70-38; 12/12 vs. T#38 DeSales
#16	190	William Paterson	8-0	def. Merchant Marine, 73-44; 12/12 vs. New Jersey
#17	185	Emmanuel	6-1	LOST at #2 Amherst, 38-85
#18	171	George Fox	4-2	IDLE
#19	145	Tufts	6-1	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 80-71; 12/12 vs. Maine Maritime (n); 12/13 vs. TBA @ Regis (n)
#20	124	Carthage	6-0	12/11 at Robert Morris-Chi.
#21	102	Chicago	5-2	IDLE
#22	83	Brandeis	6-2	IDLE
#23	82	UW-River Falls	6-0	12/10 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 12/12 at UW-Oshkosh
#24	75	UW-Stevens Point	5-2	12/10 vs. #11 UW-Whitewater; 12/11 vs. Luther
#25	73	St. Norbert	5-1	POSTPONED: 12/09 vs. Beloit

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	62	Cal Lutheran	5-0	IDLE
T#27	56	Randolph-Macon	4-1	IDLE
T#27	56	Texas-Dallas	5-2	IDLE
#29	53	Capital	4-1	def. Ohio Northern, 62-55; 12/12 vs. Baldwin-Wallace
#30	50	Simpson	5-1	12/12 vs. Grand View
#31	48	Mount Union	7-0	def. John Carroll, 83-72; 12/12 at Ohio Northern
#32	44	Roanoke	6-0	IDLE
T#33	30	Calvin	7-1	12/11 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 12/12 vs. Kalamazoo
T#33	30	Washington and Jefferson	6-1	def. Ohio Wesleyan, 65-54; 12/12 at Thiel
#35	29	Puget Sound	5-1	def. St. Martin's, 70-60
#36	27	St. Benedict	6-1	def. St. Catherine's, 88-63; def. Macalester, 75-65
#37	13	UW-Stout	4-4	12/10 at UW-La Crosse; 12/12 at UW-Eau Claire
T#38	11	DeSales	3-4	LOST to #7 Kean, 59-71; 12/10 at Gwynedd-Mercy; 12/12 at #15 Messiah
T#38	11	Mary Washington	5-1	IDLE
#40	6	Lewis and Clark	6-2	IDLE
#41	5	DePauw	4-3	12/11 vs. Robert Morris-S'fiel
T#42	4	Keene State	5-1	12/12 at T#44 Southern Maine
T#42	4	Nazareth	5-1	IDLE
T#44	2	Case Western Reserve	6-1	def. Oberlin, 71-60
T#44	2	Christopher Newport	5-0	12/12 at Meredith
T#44	2	Southern Maine	4-3	12/10 at Salem State; 12/12 vs. T#42 Keene State
T#47	1	Babson	6-2	LOST to Salem State, 69-79; def. MIT, 75-30; 12/11 vs. Worcester Polytech
T#47	1	New Paltz State	5-1	IDLE
T#47	1	Rochester	5-2	def. William Smith, 69-61; 12/11 at Union

[OC_SID]

Daryl,

It must be an error in Hope's schedule ... They don't have  a TBA game Sunday the 13th ... Hope can't play on Sundays.

[Darryl Nester]

It must be an error in Hope's schedule ... They don't have  a TBA game Sunday the 13th ... Hope can't play on Sundays.

Good catch.  That game is on the d3sports schedule, but Hope's Web site places (I assume) that game on December 19, on the second day of their tournament.  I've corrected the report.