Top 25 discussion

[Laserty]

Just wondering how this works:
18 Illinois Wesleyan    14-0    1.000    .628    .558   .605
22 Amherst    17-0    1.000    .622    .592     .612
101 Kean    18-0    1.000    .555    .562            .557

So the far right percentage is the overall strength of schedule percentage. So why is Amherst 22 and Illinois Wesleyan 18? I'm no expert in how this works, and I don't claim to be, so can someone enlighten me?

[Hoosier Titan]

 

Just wondering how this works:
18 Illinois Wesleyan    14-0    1.000    .628    .558   .605
22 Amherst    17-0    1.000    .622    .592     .612
101 Kean    18-0    1.000    .555    .562            .557

So the far right percentage is the overall strength of schedule percentage. So why is Amherst 22 and Illinois Wesleyan 18? I'm no expert in how this works, and I don't claim to be, so can someone enlighten me?

I wondered about that too. The text above the data says the ranking is on the basis of Opponents' Winning Percentage; the overall Strength of Schedule is weighted 2/3 toward OWP and 1/3 toward OOWP.  I'm no expert either, but the numbers work, and IWU's OWP is better than Amherst's.

[Laserty]

but their opponents' opponents winning percentage is significantly lower

[Ralph Turner]

Ranking of OWP	Team	Record	Winning %age	OWP	OOWP	SOS
18	Illinois Wesleyan	14-0	1.000	.628	.558	.605
22	Amherst	17-0	1.000	.622	.592	.612
101	Kean	18-0	1.000	.555	.562	.557

[Laserty]

Ralph do you have the answer?

[David Collinge]

IWU's OWP is better than Amherst's (.628 to .622), and that is reflected in their OWP ranking of 18 vs. Amherst's 22.  Amherst has a stronger OOWP than the Titans, and consequently their SOS (which is 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP) is a bit higher, but as the "ranking" shown is based on OWP and OWP alone (see the column heading "Ranking of OWP"), Amherst's better OOWP is not a factor there.
Is that the answer you're looking for?

[Ralph Turner]

IWU's OWP is better than Amherst's (.628 to .622), and that is reflected in their OWP ranking of 18 vs. Amherst's 22.  Amherst has a stronger OOWP than the Titans, and consequently their SOS (which is 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP) is a bit higher, but as the "ranking" shown is based on OWP and OWP alone (see the column heading "Ranking of OWP"), Amherst's better OOWP is not a factor there.
Is that the answer you're looking for?

David beat me to it.   

[Laserty]

So they have a higher strength of schedule, but their opponents winning percentage is weaker compared to Illinois Wesleyan. I was under the impression that was a Strength of Schedule ranking.

[Mr. Ypsi]

So they have a higher strength of schedule, but their opponents winning percentage is weaker compared to Illinois Wesleyan. I was under the impression that was a Strength of Schedule ranking.

Yes, but the #s and rankings were entirely by OWP.

Gotta order them by something - OWP was just what they chose, not SOS.

[Laserty]

Making simple tasks look difficult one day at a time... Thank you all.

[Pat Coleman]

So they have a higher strength of schedule, but their opponents winning percentage is weaker compared to Illinois Wesleyan. I was under the impression that was a Strength of Schedule ranking.

Yes, but the #s and rankings were entirely by OWP.

Gotta order them by something - OWP was just what they chose, not SOS.

Unfortunately, this was the best I could get from Presto. Couldn't get it ordered by SOS. Last year it was ordered by OWP and that was all they could give me.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared -- Midweek Report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	620	Illinois Wesleyan	18-0	def. Augustana, 82-60; 01/30 at #20 Carthage
#2	597	Amherst	17-0	01/29 at T#18 Bowdoin; 01/30 at #30 Colby
#3	566	Washington U.	15-1	01/29 at Rochester; 01/31 at Emory
#4	561	Kean	19-1	01/30 vs. New Jersey City
#5	521	Hope	17-1	def. Trine, 56-30; 01/30 at Olivet
#6	483	Scranton	15-3	LOST at #15 Messiah, 55-62; 01/29 vs. Merchant Marine; 01/30 vs. Drew
#7	457	George Fox	16-2	def. Pacific, 73-50; 01/29 at #16 Puget Sound
#8	405	Marymount	18-1	def. St. Mary's (Md.), 70-54; 01/30 vs. Wesley
#9	395	William Paterson	19-1	def. New Jersey City, 60-47; 01/30 at Rowan
T#10	362	Calvin	17-2	def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 67-57; 01/30 at Kalamazoo
T#10	362	Muhlenberg	14-2	def. Swarthmore, 69-54; def. Haverford, 74-53; 01/30 at Johns Hopkins
#12	318	Tufts	16-2	def. Emerson, 59-49; 01/29 at Wesleyan; 01/30 at Connecticut College
#13	295	Moravian	16-2	def. Alvernia, 97-63; 01/29 vs. Drew; 01/30 vs. Merchant Marine
#14	293	Christopher Newport	18-0	def. Mary Baldwin, 92-50; 01/31 vs. Peace
#15	265	Messiah	16-2	def. #6 Scranton, 62-55; 01/30 at Widener
#16	240	Puget Sound	15-2	01/29 vs. #7 George Fox; 01/30 vs. Linfield
#17	235	Thomas More	16-2	def. Chatham, 74-61; 01/30 vs. Westminster (Pa.)
T#18	179	Bowdoin	14-3	def. Maine Maritime, 64-52; 01/29 vs. #2 Amherst; 01/30 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
T#18	179	UW-Stevens Point	16-3	def. #22 UW-Whitewater, 68-51; 01/30 vs. UW-Superior
#20	175	Carthage	15-3	def. North Park, 65-41; 01/30 vs. #1 Illinois Wesleyan
#21	122	Washington and Jefferson	16-2	def. Grove City, 61-58; 01/30 vs. Thiel
#22	119	UW-Whitewater	13-5	LOST to T#18 UW-Stevens Point, 51-68; 01/30 vs. UW-Stout
#23	83	Lebanon Valley	17-1	def. Manhattanville, 61-51; 01/30 at Arcadia
#24	57	DePauw	15-3	01/29 at T#35 Austin; 01/30 at Colorado College
#25	46	Chicago	12-4	01/29 at Emory; 01/31 at Rochester

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	36	UW-River Falls	14-4	LOST to UW-Superior, 54-55; 01/30 vs. UW-Oshkosh
#27	29	Louisiana College	14-2	01/28 at Texas-Dallas; 01/30 at University of the Ozarks
#28	28	Mount Union	16-2	def. Marietta, 63-55; 01/30 at Wilmington
#29	25	Farmingdale State	17-0	01/30 at Mount St. Vincent
#30	20	Colby	14-2	def. Maine-Farmington, 88-45; 01/29 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/30 vs. #2 Amherst
#31	19	Mary Washington	14-3	def. Wesley, 63-43; 01/30 at Gallaudet
#32	9	Gettysburg	15-2	def. Dickinson, 56-54; 01/30 vs. Washington College
#33	6	Baldwin-Wallace	14-4	def. John Carroll, 74-62; 01/30 at Marietta
#34	4	Emmanuel	13-4	01/28 vs. Simmons
T#35	3	Austin	14-3	01/29 vs. #24 DePauw; 01/31 vs. Centre
T#35	3	Elmhurst	13-5	def. North Central (Ill.), 86-72; 01/30 at Augustana
T#35	3	Lewis and Clark	12-5	01/29 at Whitman; 01/30 at Whitworth
#38	2	St. Norbert	12-3	def. Carroll, 66-51; 01/30 at Beloit
T#39	1	Gustavus Adolphus	14-3	def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-49; 01/30 vs. St. Catherine's
T#39	1	Simpson	16-3	def. Cornell, 78-51; 01/30 at Loras
T#39	1	Western Connecticut	17-2	def. Eastern Connecticut, 55-44; 01/30 at Mass-Dartmouth

[sunny]

Wash U:  The UAA is no cakewalk by any means and I would keep an eye out for the Bears' game @ Rochester.  Rochester has defended home court against Wash U each of the past two seasons and is 12-2 this year. 

Hey, it's one of those rare instances where I seemed to have known what I was talking about.

[WUPHF]

Wash U:  The UAA is no cakewalk by any means and I would keep an eye out for the Bears' game @ Rochester.  Rochester has defended home court against Wash U each of the past two seasons and is 12-2 this year. 

Hey, it's one of those rare instances where I seemed to have known what I was talking about.

You called it...unfortunately, you called it.

[Titan Q]

Live video of #1 IWU @ #20 Carthage.  Open the following URL in QuickTime...

rtsp://wolfgang.carthage.edu:554/carthagelivestream2.sdp