Top 25 discussion

[ichouse]

would be interesting to see sos rankings with top 25 list

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

Better late than never ....

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	Amherst	27-0	def. Bates, 77-43; def. #23 Colby, 69-54
#2	595	Kean	26-1	def. Montclair State, 92-68; def. #8 William Paterson, 70-62
#3	571	Illinois Wesleyan	26-1	def. Millikin, 87-52; def. Elmhurst, 82-72
#4	555	Hope	27-1	def. Alma, 76-52; def. Adrian, 66-54; def. #11 Calvin, 68-49
#5	513	George Fox	25-2	def. Lewis and Clark, 98-57; def. #13 Puget Sound, 77-51
#6	490	Washington U.	23-2	def. #21 Chicago, 71-60
#7	458	Marymount	26-1	def. Wesley, 70-55; def. #24 Mary Washington, 50-48
#8	448	William Paterson	25-2	def. Rowan, 75-60; LOST at #2 Kean, 62-70
#9	410	Moravian	25-2	def. Susquehanna, 52-44; def. #15 Scranton, 66-49
#10	398	Carthage	22-4	LOST to (n) Elmhurst, 56-68
#11	368	Calvin	24-4	def. Olivet, 76-57; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 90-71; LOST at #4 Hope, 49-68
#12	358	Christopher Newport	28-0	def. Greensboro, 69-58; def. Methodist, 78-56; def. Ferrum, 82-70
#13	321	Puget Sound	23-4	def. Whitworth, 68-55; LOST at #5 George Fox, 51-77
#14	274	DePauw	25-3	def. Southwestern, 81-43; def. Rhodes, 77-50; def. Centre, 63-37
#15	258	Scranton	22-5	def. Juniata, 70-62; LOST at #9 Moravian, 49-66
#16	217	Thomas More	25-3	def. Thiel, 75-51; def. Chatham, 68-40; def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-67
#17	209	Louisiana College	24-2	def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-69; def. T#34 Howard Payne, 68-55; def. McMurry, 73-69 OT
#18	162	Washington and Jefferson	23-4	def. Bethany, 66-65; LOST to (n) Westminster (Pa.), 61-64
#19	124	Lebanon Valley	23-4	def. Alvernia, 87-77; LOST to #20 Messiah, 55-60
#20	120	Messiah	23-4	def. Widener, 85-70; def. #19 Lebanon Valley, 60-55
#21	113	Chicago	19-6	LOST to #6 Washington U., 60-71
#22	86	Muhlenberg	21-5	def. Dickinson, 62-50; LOST to McDaniel, 56-72
#23	79	Colby	23-4	def. #26 Bowdoin, 75-64; LOST at #1 Amherst, 54-69
#24	59	Mary Washington	21-5	def. York (Pa.), 75-61; LOST to #7 Marymount, 48-50
#25	57	Tufts	20-5	IDLE

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	55	Bowdoin	20-6	LOST to (n) #23 Colby, 64-75
#27	51	Farmingdale State	25-1	def. SUNY-Purchase, 79-55; def. T#37 Mount St. Mary, 67-58
#28	27	Ithaca	22-5	def. St. John Fisher, 72-66; LOST to Utica, 37-38
#29	24	Gettysburg	22-4	LOST to (n) McDaniel, 67-72
#30	23	UW-Whitewater	20-7	def. UW-Eau Claire, 73-68; LOST to #33 UW-Stevens Point, 64-68
#31	22	St. Norbert	22-3	def. Illinois College, 69-54; def. Ripon, 73-57
#32	20	Mount Union	24-4	def. Otterbein, 59-56; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 71-61; def. Capital, 80-71
#33	18	UW-Stevens Point	21-6	def. UW-Stout, 82-74; def. #30 UW-Whitewater, 68-64
T#34	6	Howard Payne	21-6	def. Mississippi College, 73-68; LOST at #17 Louisiana College, 55-68
T#34	6	Rochester	19-6	def. Emory, 67-62
#36	5	Hendrix	20-5	def. Oglethorpe, 73-52; LOST to (n) Centre, 77-86
T#37	4	Mount St. Mary	22-5	def. Mount St. Vincent, 73-46; LOST at #27 Farmingdale State, 58-67
T#37	4	Roanoke	23-3	def. Lynchburg, 88-64; LOST to (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 49-52

[David Collinge]

D3 women's hoops fans, and Wash U. fans in particular: don't let ESPN get away with their campaign of misinformation.  They kept saying during the D1 championship game that UConn was going to become the first team in "women's college basketball history" to have back-to-back unbeaten championship seasons.   LET 'EM HEAR YOU.  Twitter, email, Facebook, heck even postcards, but LET 'EM HEAR YOU.

[Pat Coleman]

I posted on Linda Cohn's wall.

[gordonmann]

I posted on Linda Cohn's wall.

How'd you get by security?

Mechelle Voepel's column on ESPN.com appropriately credits Wash U so the message is getting through some places.

[WUPHF]

D3 women's hoops fans, and Wash U. fans in particular: don't let ESPN get away with their campaign of misinformation.  They kept saying during the D1 championship game that UConn was going to become the first team in "women's college basketball history" to have back-to-back unbeaten championship seasons.   

I have e-mailed NPR and USA Today.  That is as far as this obsessed fan is prepared to go.

Incidentally, of the four Division III tournament games I watched, all four were much, much more enjoyable to watch then the game last night.

[sumfun]

I couldn't agree more.  Whether it's been the Final Four D3 games I've seen in person or any other the top 25 schools I've seen on webcast or in person, the games have been much more entertaining than last night.  D3 may not have the height of D1, and I don't even know if I can say D3 is a step slower, but D3 does have great shooters and fun games!!!

[Title9Fan]

D3 may not have the height of D1, and I don't even know if I can say D3 is a step slower, but D3 does have great shooters and fun games!!!

While the Final was a definite disappointment, it was just one game and an anomoly for both teams in shooting.  The top D1 and top D3 teams are incomparable.  There are no Maya Moores or Jayne Appels in D3.  As for speed, you were joking, right?  The venue/crowd size and pressure of a national D1 champsionship is just one of a dozen factors that render such comparisons useless.

 

[kate]

Good Morning, Title 9 Fan!  Seriously, i don't believe that sumfun actually was comparing the level of play between D1 & D3 - just comparing the joy a game can bring.  The outcome of that Connecticut/Stamford game Tuesday night was perfect as far as i'm concerned although it was hard to see Appel go down like that, especially when she was hurting to begin with.  Until the Rutger's Women's Basketball team wins a national championship, i do agree with sumfun that a D3 game, even the most uneventful contest, brings loads of happiness.  Many times i've felt like that commercial - we don't want this game to end - send it into overtime 

[sumfun]

You got it right Kate.  Pure enjoyment of watching athletes in action, physical play and great shooting, plus close to the action.  Such a fan of D3 sports!!!

[WUPHF]

While the Final was a definite disappointment, it was just one game and an anomoly for both teams in shooting.  The top D1 and top D3 teams are incomparable.  There are no Maya Moores or Jayne Appels in D3.  As for speed, you were joking, right?  The venue/crowd size and pressure of a national D1 championship is just one of a dozen factors that render such comparisons useless.

I am not sure why I said what I said about the quality of the Division I title game.  Mostly I think I was reflecting back on the quality of the Division III tournament games I watched.

Having said that, it is possible to compare the top teams of each level.  I am not suggesting that Hope or Washington University could run with Stanford or the University of Connecticut, but the top teams all have a lot of things in common.  In comparing the pressure of Division I title game with a Division III title game, I will defer to someone who has played at that level, but I have to think that many would disagree.  It does seem to me that a packed house of passionate fans is indeed a packed house, whether it is 4,000 or 22,000 fans.  All speculation on my part.

I would pay to see Hope or Washington University go up against Emporia State.

I do agree the loads of happiness remark.  10 years ago, I never would have attended a Women's Basketball game.  This year, I watched probably 25 games or more between Washington University and the local high school where my wife works (her team won the state title and finished in the ESPN Rise Top 25).

[Title9Fan]

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Having said that, it is possible to compare the top teams of each level.  I am not suggesting that Hope or Washington University could run with Stanford or the University of Connecticut, but the top teams all have a lot of things in common.  In comparing the pressure of Division I title game with a Division III title game, I will defer to someone who has played at that level, but I have to think that many would disagree.  It does seem to me that a packed house of passionate fans is indeed a packed house, whether it is 4,000 or 22,000 fans.  All speculation on my part.

Knowing (and having asked) a few of the players from top teams in both D1 and D3 this year, I am certain that they do not think it's the same at all (playoff games of 4,000 vs. 22,000 fans).  The vast majority of the top D3 players have enormous respect for the difference and don't understand why we'd want to compare the two.  As usual,  I agree with most of your other comments though.

Both are great games to watch, but they are most definitely very different games.     The Wash U players don't want to play UConn any more than George Fox wants to play Stanford.  

Cant' wait for next year's WBB games  - D1 and D3 both!

[sumfun]

Soooo well said.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pre-season #3 IWU, #7 WashU, and #12 DePauw all went 1-1 at the DePauw Tip-off Invitational.  It will be interesting to see how they are ranked this week.

[ronk]

  Leave them right where they were last week