Top 25 discussion

[BH2OFan]

Bridgewater takes 2 in impressive fashion in Florida, 85-67 vs Ottowa and 73-56 vs Manchester. Well done ladies, and happy holidays to all here!

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

Complete for this week except tonight's late matchup between CNU and TMC, which I am sure that someone will post following that game ... (edited in -- thanks, hoopstermom)

By the way, UW-River Falls fans -- please note that your team's page is missing the three most recent results, including a game from over a week ago.  Kindly ask your school's SID to get caught up ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	Amherst	11-0	def. Springfield, 69-49
#2	596	Hope	9-0	def. Concordia (Ill.), 73-38; def. Wittenberg, 69-48
#3	570	Christopher Newport	6-1	LOST (n) to #10 Thomas More, 64-74
#4	549	Kean	8-1	LOST at Rutgers, 56-90; def. Messiah, 73-64
#5	502	Washington U.	8-1	def. Webster, 55-43
#6	486	Babson	9-0	def. Roanoke, 73-59
#7	464	Williams	8-0	IDLE
#8	414	Rochester	8-1	IDLE
#9	400	UW-Stevens Point	8-2	def. Milwaukee Engineering, 72-28
#10	381	Thomas More	8-0	def. #3 Christopher Newport, 74-64
#11	347	Illinois Wesleyan	6-3	LOST at Olivet Nazarene, 106-110; def. Loras, 71-60
#12	295	Carthage	7-2	LOST to Chicago, 46-49; def. Clarke, 70-40
#13	272	Mount Union	7-1	def. Wilmington, 79-61
#14	268	Muhlenberg	8-0	def. Montclair State, 67-53
#15	248	George Fox	6-2	IDLE
#16	246	DePauw	6-2	def. Elmhurst, 66-47
#17	221	UW-La Crosse	9-2	LOST at Coe, 48-62
#18	163	UW-Whitewater	7-2	def. Dubuque, 91-68
#19	162	William Paterson	7-2	LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60
#20	133	Lebanon Valley	8-1	IDLE
#21	91	Puget Sound	7-1	def. Occidental, 64-51
#22	90	Medaille	7-1	def. Clarkson, 93-82
#23	86	Bowdoin	7-1	IDLE
#24	69	Louisiana College	9-0	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-60; def. William Carey, 86-61
#25	68	Johns Hopkins	8-1	IDLE

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	62	Western Connecticut	7-1	IDLE
#27	59	Mississippi College	10-0	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 57-52
#28	42	St. Norbert	6-1	IDLE
#29	38	Calvin	8-2	def. Albion, 73-65
#30	34	Wisconsin Lutheran	7-1	LOST at T#41 Millikin, 54-67; def. Blackburn, 76-55
#31	31	St. Vincent	8-1	def. Wentworth, 80-34
T#32	26	Eastern Connecticut	8-1	IDLE
T#32	26	Gallaudet	9-0	def. Penn State-Berks, 67-51
T#34	18	Baldwin-Wallace	8-2	def. Marietta, 73-48; LOST at Centre, 76-77; def. Transylvania, 75-66
T#34	18	St. Benedict	6-1	IDLE
#36	16	Colby	6-1	IDLE
#37	7	Greensboro	8-0	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-61
#38	3	Concordia-Moorhead	5-0	IDLE
T#39	2	UW-River Falls	8-2	def. Hamline, 67-52; def. Concordia (Wis.), 71-57
T#39	2	Whitman	6-2	IDLE
T#41	1	Millikin	7-3	def. #30 Wisconsin Lutheran, 67-54; def. Blackburn, 93-35
T#41	1	Widener	10-1	def. Rowan, 96-79

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Bridgewater (Va.)	8-0	def. Averett, 63-56; def. Ottawa University, 85-67; def. Manchester, 73-56

[hoopstermom]

Thomas More over Christopher Newport in Hawaii - 74-64
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Thomas More over Christopher Newport in Hawaii - 74-64
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx

I applaud CNU for going out and playing stiff competition.  I still think they are at least a top 16 team.  Concerns for CNU down the stretch points in the paint, and bench scoring. Top 5 teams, I would be willing to bet bank on the fact that they get production off the bench and in the paint.  I expect to see a "Boise St" type of drop in the polls for CNU.  I think the box score is closer than it looks.  Thomas More took 13 fewer shots in the 2nd half.  Looks like to me at first glance, ball control in the 2nd half.

[Dark Knight]

I applaud CNU for going out and playing stiff competition.  

CNU has played the 175th-most difficult schedule so far according to Massey -- nothing to brag about. They haven't defeated any team with a winning record.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I applaud CNU for going out and playing stiff competition.  

CNU has played the 175th-most difficult schedule so far according to Massey -- nothing to brag about by any means. They haven't defeated any team with a winning record.

I still think they are at least a top 16 team.  

Massey as them at #44, but with the 10-point loss to Thomas More, they are going to drop a bit.

I didn't want to pull in Massey Ratings, but its been updated from the loss.

CNU fell from #44 to #53

I was surprised to see Greensboro @ #39, though.  I guess Massey Ratings knows something I don't know. 

[D3Backer]

How They Fared

Complete for this week except tonight's late matchup between CNU and TMC, which I am sure that someone will post following that game ... (edited in -- thanks, hoopstermom)

By the way, UW-River Falls fans -- please note that your team's page is missing the three most recent results, including a game from over a week ago.  Kindly ask your school's SID to get caught up ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	Amherst	11-0	def. Springfield, 69-49
#2	596	Hope	9-0	def. Concordia (Ill.), 73-38; def. Wittenberg, 69-48
#3	570	Christopher Newport	6-1	LOST (n) to #10 Thomas More, 64-74
#4	549	Kean	8-1	LOST at Rutgers, 56-90; def. Messiah, 73-64
#5	502	Washington U.	8-1	def. Webster, 55-43
#6	486	Babson	9-0	def. Roanoke, 73-59
#7	464	Williams	8-0	IDLE
#8	414	Rochester	8-1	IDLE
#9	400	UW-Stevens Point	8-2	def. Milwaukee Engineering, 72-28
#10	381	Thomas More	8-0	def. #3 Christopher Newport, 74-64
#11	347	Illinois Wesleyan	6-3	LOST at Olivet Nazarene, 106-110; def. Loras, 71-60
#12	295	Carthage	7-2	LOST to Chicago, 46-49; def. Clarke, 70-40
#13	272	Mount Union	7-1	def. Wilmington, 79-61
#14	268	Muhlenberg	8-0	def. Montclair State, 67-53
#15	248	George Fox	6-2	IDLE
#16	246	DePauw	6-2	def. Elmhurst, 66-47
#17	221	UW-La Crosse	9-2	LOST at Coe, 48-62
#18	163	UW-Whitewater	7-2	def. Dubuque, 91-68
#19	162	William Paterson	7-2	LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60
#20	133	Lebanon Valley	8-1	IDLE
#21	91	Puget Sound	7-1	def. Occidental, 64-51
#22	90	Medaille	7-1	def. Clarkson, 93-82
#23	86	Bowdoin	7-1	IDLE
#24	69	Louisiana College	9-0	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-60; def. William Carey, 86-61
#25	68	Johns Hopkins	8-1	IDLE

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	62	Western Connecticut	7-1	IDLE
#27	59	Mississippi College	10-0	def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 57-52
#28	42	St. Norbert	6-1	IDLE
#29	38	Calvin	8-2	def. Albion, 73-65
#30	34	Wisconsin Lutheran	7-1	LOST at T#41 Millikin, 54-67; def. Blackburn, 76-55
#31	31	St. Vincent	8-1	def. Wentworth, 80-34
T#32	26	Eastern Connecticut	8-1	IDLE
T#32	26	Gallaudet	9-0	def. Penn State-Berks, 67-51
T#34	18	Baldwin-Wallace	8-2	def. Marietta, 73-48; LOST at Centre, 76-77; def. Transylvania, 75-66
T#34	18	St. Benedict	6-1	IDLE
#36	16	Colby	6-1	IDLE
#37	7	Greensboro	8-0	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-61
#38	3	Concordia-Moorhead	5-0	IDLE
T#39	2	UW-River Falls	8-2	def. Hamline, 67-52; def. Concordia (Wis.), 71-57
T#39	2	Whitman	6-2	IDLE
T#41	1	Millikin	7-3	def. #30 Wisconsin Lutheran, 67-54; def. Blackburn, 93-35
T#41	1	Widener	10-1	def. Rowan, 96-79

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Bridgewater (Va.)	8-0	def. Averett, 63-56; def. Ottawa University, 85-67; def. Manchester, 73-56

I hope the voters realize that Kean's loss was to DIVISION I Rutgers not Rutgers-Newark or Rutgers-Camden...

[Darryl Nester]

I hope the voters realize that Kean's loss was to DIVISION I Rutgers not Rutgers-Newark or Rutgers-Camden...

That's a good distinction to point out.  My program simply picks up results are they are posted on the d3hoops scoreboard pages, so all teams are listed as they appear in the d3sports database.  In other words, "Rutgers-Newark" and "Rutgers-Camden" should never appear as simply "Rutgers," unless a game was incorrectly entered into the schedule.

In a future revision of my program, I will try to add a feature for it to identify when an opponent is non-D3.

[sunny]

I hope the voters realize that Kean's loss was to DIVISION I Rutgers not Rutgers-Newark or Rutgers-Camden...

That's a good distinction to point out.  My program simply picks up results are they are posted on the d3hoops scoreboard pages, so all teams are listed as they appear in the d3sports database.  In other words, "Rutgers-Newark" and "Rutgers-Camden" should never appear as simply "Rutgers," unless a game was incorrectly entered into the schedule.

In a future revision of my program, I will try to add a feature for it to identify when an opponent is non-D3.

This voter certainly noticed.  With most non-D3 losses (NAIA, D2, etc ... maybe even low-level DI), I do review those, though I try to get some sort of read on how good the opposition is (often hard to do) and do sometimes end up discounting it entirely.  In the case of Kean/Rutgers, however, I look at that game as pretty much an exhibition (barring if the unthinkable had happened).  Kean's "1" in the loss column has a big fat asterisk for me.

[ichouse]

#18 163 UW-Whitewater 7-2 def. Dubuque, 91-68
#19 162 William Paterson 7-2 LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60
#20 133 Lebanon Valley 8-1 IDLE


Mount St. Mary put on a defensive show against William Paterson. They held WPU, who was averaging 73 PPG to 44 points and Their leading scorer April Smith (21.3 PPG) to one point.

[WLCALUM83]

12/20 ARV final:  Wisconsin Lutheran 82, Marian (WI) 47

[jaybird44]

A friendly reminder...

Washington U. plays Hope in a rematch of last season's national championship game Wednesday, December 29th in the first round of the Ohio Wesleyan Classic.

Tip-off is slated for 6:00 p.m. Eastern. 

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

CNU did get that win yesterday.  I am interested to see how the pollsters will vote after the weekend CNU had in the fine state Hawaii.  They didn't play particularly well in the two games.  By some standards they should have blown out McMurry.  I will continue to argue probably until the day I die, the south region is much more competitive then some may believe.

When will we see this new poll? 

[deiscanton]

Game update-- Halftime from Las Vegas, NV-- Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla

Oneonta State 26,  #6 Babson 26

Game tipped today at 10 AM Pacific-- 1 PM Eastern.

Both teams are undefeated going into today's contest, with Oneonta sporting an 8-0 mark and Babson at 9-0.  Both teams won their first games in Las Vegas, with Babson defeating Roanoke on Sunday and Oneonta defeating Heidelberg yesterday.

I am watching today's game on PPV on the internet video streaming site that Trip Sports set up.  There are no live stats of the contests, unfortunately.

Oneonta State led throughout the half, with Babson only having a 15-14 lead midway through the first.  Babson has already used up 3 of their alloted 6 timeouts, with Oneonta not taking any.

Babson was able to tie it up going into the break, but Oneonta State is posing a good challenge and will deserve national recognition if the Red Dragons can upset Babson.   I'll post later with a final score.

[deiscanton]

Final from Tuesday's Game #1 of the Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla

#6 Babson 61,  Oneonta State 50

Babson was able to take control in the second half for a grind-it out, physical win.   Game was closer than the final score would indicate-- Oneonta made it interesting in the final minute before Babson scored the last 6 pts of the contest.  Babson may not be the best 3 point shooting team in DIII, but Babson did make some clutch 3 pointers in their 2 games played in Las Vegas.

Babson led by 7 midway through the second half to take control of the game.

The game was worth the $8.95 I paid to watch the video stream.