Top 25 discussion

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr. Ypsi,

did you get to see the IWU vs. Baruch game? If so what what did you think about the Baruch team? seems they had a respectable showing, 4-point game. And like you said the following night IWU beat Kean by 11-points. I have seen Baruch play and wanted to get an idea how they stack up to the other teams IWU have played

Sorry, I didn't see that game.  I just re-read the write-up by IWU to see if I could get any insights for you, but didn't get much.  (I had forgotten that the game was postponed by your big snowstorm, then it took IWU 4 hours to go the 8 miles from their hotel!)  IWU led by 19 midway thru the 2nd half, but (not having seen the game) I can't tell if Baruch had a legitimately furious comeback or if the Titans went into 'coast' mode.  (In other words, the close final score might be misleading, but the box and recap didn't really give any indication.)

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

#19/#28 Greensboro, had a tight one tonight at Ferrum, winning 76-71.  Greensboro managed to get double figures from 4 players tonight.  I hope the pollster's don't think less of Greensboro's close win.  Ferrum really is a solid team.  They were 10-2 coming into tonight (only losses d1 radford, and Roanoke(NCAA team last season.))  If you look at the current non-conference games played Ferrum's OPPW% .471( did not include the d1 team) and Greensboro's is .464.  (Again this is non-conference teams played to date)

Everyone seems to be looking forward to the GC-CNU game.  Don't forget about the FC-CNU game this weekend.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Midweek Report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	620	Amherst	13-1	LOST at #6 Kean, 82-85; 01/14 at Connecticut College; 01/15 at Wesleyan
#2	602	Hope	14-0	def. Trine, 75-34; 01/15 vs. Olivet
#3	554	Thomas More	14-0	def. Bethany, 68-42; 01/15 at Thiel
#4	515	Christopher Newport	12-1	def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 97-46; 01/15 vs. Ferrum
#5	484	Rochester	11-1	def. St. John Fisher, 51-45; 01/14 at #26 Chicago; 01/16 at #10 Washington U.
#6	482	Kean	13-2	def. #1 Amherst, 85-82; 01/15 at Rutgers-Newark
#7	461	Babson	13-0	def. Wellesley, 58-31; 01/15 at Coast Guard
#8	435	UW-Stevens Point	13-2	def. UW-Platteville, 75-40; 01/15 at UW-Superior
#9	418	Illinois Wesleyan	11-3	def. T#32 Millikin, 77-59; 01/15 vs. Elmhurst
#10	413	Washington U.	9-3	01/14 vs. Emory; 01/16 vs. #5 Rochester
#11	394	DePauw	12-2	01/14 vs. Millsaps; 01/16 vs. Hendrix
#12	385	UW-Whitewater	13-2	def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-57; 01/15 at UW-Eau Claire
#13	312	Williams	13-1	def. Wesleyan, 70-36; 01/14 at #42 Bates; 01/15 at #39 Tufts
#14	241	Bowdoin	12-1	def. #42 Bates, 67-61; 01/13 vs. Maine-Presque Isle; 01/15 at #43 Colby
#15	222	Lebanon Valley	14-1	def. Lycoming, 71-51; 01/15 at Widener
#16	220	Medaille	12-1	01/15 at Penn State-Altoona
#17	165	St. Norbert	11-1	def. Ripon, 55-45; 01/14 at Illinois College; 01/15 at Knox
#18	164	Mount Union	11-2	01/12 at Baldwin-Wallace postponed; 01/15 at Heidelberg
#19	154	Muhlenberg	9-2	LOST at DeSales, 57-60; 01/13 vs. Franklin and Marshall; 01/15 at Gettysburg
#20	103	Western Connecticut	12-1	def. Keene State, 70-51; 01/13 at Mount St. Mary; 01/15 vs. Mass-Boston
#21	89	Denison	15-0	def. Oberlin, 65-35; 01/15 vs. Wooster
#22	70	Louisiana College	11-1	01/13 vs. East Texas Baptist
#23	67	William Paterson	12-2	01/13 at New Jersey City; 01/15 at New Jersey
#24	66	St. Benedict	11-1	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 79-62; 01/15 vs. Augsburg
#25	57	St. Vincent	13-1	def. Waynesburg, 73-64; 01/15 at Grove City

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	56	Chicago	9-3	01/14 vs. #5 Rochester; 01/16 vs. Emory
#27	53	Gallaudet	12-0	def. St. Elizabeth, 65-53; 01/15 vs. Morrisville State; 01/16 vs. Cazenovia
T#28	46	Greensboro	12-0	def. Ferrum, 76-71; 01/15 at North Carolina Wesleyan
T#28	46	Wartburg	14-0	def. Loras, 51-45; 01/15 at #44 Coe
#30	38	George Fox	9-4	01/14 vs. Whitworth; 01/15 vs. Whitman
#31	23	Puget Sound	11-3	def. Pacific Lutheran, 66-41; 01/15 at Linfield
T#32	20	Carthage	10-4	def. Elmhurst, 67-53; 01/15 vs. Augustana
T#32	20	Johns Hopkins	9-3	LOST at Washington College, 56-57; 01/13 at Swarthmore; 01/15 vs. Haverford
T#32	20	Millikin	10-4	LOST to #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-77; 01/15 at North Central (Ill.)
T#35	19	Concordia-Moorhead	8-2	01/12 vs. St. Thomas postponed; 01/15 at Bethel
T#35	19	Wisconsin Lutheran	10-2	LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 60-66; 01/13 vs. Maranatha Baptist; 01/15 at Concordia (Ill.)
#37	13	Hanover	12-1	LOST at Franklin, 61-63; 01/15 at Anderson
#38	12	UW-La Crosse	12-4	def. T#40 UW-River Falls, 62-48
#39	11	Tufts	9-1	01/14 vs. Middlebury; 01/15 vs. #13 Williams
T#40	10	Calvin	11-3	def. Rochester (Mich.), 71-49; 01/15 at Alma
T#40	10	UW-River Falls	11-5	LOST at #38 UW-La Crosse, 48-62; 01/15 vs. UW-Platteville
#42	6	Bates	11-3	LOST to #14 Bowdoin, 61-67; 01/14 vs. #13 Williams; 01/15 vs. Middlebury
#43	4	Colby	10-2	def. Husson, 76-56; 01/15 vs. #14 Bowdoin
#44	3	Coe	11-2	01/15 vs. T#28 Wartburg
#45	1	Mississippi College	11-2	01/15 vs. East Texas Baptist

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Lagrange	10-0	01/14 at Piedmont; 01/16 vs. Wesleyan (Ga.)

[jumphigh]

how does William Patterson (11-2) climb to No. 23 in the latest poll? And Mt. St. Mary (11-2) the team that  beat them 60-44 not get a single point in the polls?

Mt. St. Mary will get a chance to prove them self Thursday with No. 20 Western Connecticut coming into the Kaplan Center. If MSMC can get the win, they may start to draw a little attention

So Mt. St. Mary (12-2) did their job and beat No. 20 Western Connecticut (12-2) 63-60. This was a back and forth battle between to very good teams. MSMC is now 2-0 against top 25 teams, I hope the pollsters take notice.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I tell you what, Chicago deserves a huge jump in the polls, knocking off two top 10 teams in the span of 6 days.  Congrats to the players, the fans, and the University of Chicago community.

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed. I have them pretty low on my ballot but they'll be moving up provided they don't lay an egg against Emory on Sunday.

Strange things happen in the UAA.

[ichouse]

I agree with Chicago moving up, they had a impressive week.

[/quote]

So Mt. St. Mary (12-2) did their job and beat No. 20 Western Connecticut (12-2) 63-60. This was a back and forth battle between to very good teams. MSMC is now 2-0 against top 25 teams, I hope the pollsters take notice.

[/quote]

Pat will MSMC make your ballot?

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

They play Ferrum first, don't count them out on that game.  If CNU wins you could expect the score to be something like 93-85. 

Not a horribly bad guess on that game (That was less than a month into the season) After reading the post games story, something didn't exactly look right.  The recap mentions that was the most pts scored in Freeman center since opening in 2000-01.  Greensboro scored 117 and Ferrum scored 113, but I guess they were talking about CNU.  I didn't read it that way though.


Nice poll on the front page, and I did only vote once.  Greensboro should be 15-0 (barring any catastrophic fall) when they play CNU at home.  Just FYI GC is 6-1 @ home against CNU, losing only last year.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Complete

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	620	Amherst	15-1	LOST at #6 Kean, 82-85; def. Connecticut College, 61-42; def. Wesleyan, 80-30
#2	602	Hope	15-0	def. Trine, 75-34; def. Olivet, 79-44
#3	554	Thomas More	15-0	def. Bethany, 68-42; def. Thiel, 77-65
#4	515	Christopher Newport	13-1	def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 97-46; def. Ferrum, 99-81
#5	484	Rochester	11-3	def. St. John Fisher, 51-45; LOST at #26 Chicago, 59-87; LOST at #10 Washington U., 90-101
#6	482	Kean	14-2	def. #1 Amherst, 85-82; def. Rutgers-Newark, 72-54
#7	461	Babson	14-0	def. Wellesley, 58-31; def. Coast Guard, 76-37
#8	435	UW-Stevens Point	14-2	def. UW-Platteville, 75-40; def. UW-Superior, 86-63
#9	418	Illinois Wesleyan	12-3	def. T#32 Millikin, 77-59; def. Elmhurst, 81-59
#10	413	Washington U.	11-3	def. Emory, 94-55; def. #5 Rochester, 101-90
#11	394	DePauw	14-2	def. Millsaps, 71-41; def. Hendrix, 85-68
#12	385	UW-Whitewater	14-2	def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-57; def. UW-Eau Claire, 71-70
#13	312	Williams	15-1	def. Wesleyan, 70-36; def. #42 Bates, 56-50; def. #39 Tufts, 61-59
#14	241	Bowdoin	14-1	def. #42 Bates, 67-61; def. Maine-Presque Isle, 83-27; def. #43 Colby, 65-56
#15	222	Lebanon Valley	15-1	def. Lycoming, 71-51; def. Widener, 69-62
#16	220	Medaille	13-1	def. Penn State-Altoona, 81-54
#17	165	St. Norbert	12-2	def. Ripon, 55-45; LOST at Illinois College, 52-59; def. Knox, 62-55
#18	164	Mount Union	12-2	def. Heidelberg, 74-46
#19	154	Muhlenberg	10-3	LOST at DeSales, 57-60; def. Franklin and Marshall, 66-58; LOST at Gettysburg, 57-70
#20	103	Western Connecticut	13-2	def. Keene State, 70-51; LOST at Mount St. Mary, 60-63; def. Mass-Boston, 71-42
#21	89	Denison	16-0	def. Oberlin, 65-35; def. Wooster, 73-61
#22	70	Louisiana College	12-1	def. East Texas Baptist, 91-65
#23	67	William Paterson	14-2	def. New Jersey City, 70-42; def. New Jersey, 72-53
#24	66	St. Benedict	12-1	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 79-62; def. Augsburg, 82-52
#25	57	St. Vincent	14-1	def. Waynesburg, 73-64; def. Grove City, 64-56

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	56	Chicago	11-3	def. #5 Rochester, 87-59; def. Emory, 92-75
#27	53	Gallaudet	14-0	def. St. Elizabeth, 65-53; def. Morrisville State, 56-41; def. Cazenovia, 79-40
T#28	46	Greensboro	13-0	def. Ferrum, 76-71; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 81-65
T#28	46	Wartburg	14-1	def. Loras, 51-45; LOST at #44 Coe, 39-51
#30	38	George Fox	11-4	def. Whitworth, 66-46; def. Whitman, 64-57
#31	23	Puget Sound	12-3	def. Pacific Lutheran, 66-41; def. Linfield, 69-62
T#32	20	Carthage	11-4	def. Elmhurst, 67-53; def. Augustana, 71-33
T#32	20	Johns Hopkins	11-3	LOST at Washington College, 56-57; def. Swarthmore, 48-37; def. Haverford, 55-35
T#32	20	Millikin	11-4	LOST to #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-77; def. North Central (Ill.), 65-52
T#35	19	Concordia-Moorhead	8-4	LOST to St. Thomas, 54-67; LOST at Bethel, 56-58
T#35	19	Wisconsin Lutheran	11-3	LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 60-66; def. Maranatha Baptist, 89-52; LOST at Concordia (Ill.), 72-73
#37	13	Hanover	13-1	LOST at Franklin, 61-63; def. Anderson, 67-63
#38	12	UW-La Crosse	12-4	def. T#40 UW-River Falls, 62-48
#39	11	Tufts	10-2	def. Middlebury, 70-54; LOST to #13 Williams, 59-61
T#40	10	Calvin	12-3	def. Rochester (Mich.), 71-49; def. Alma, 65-50
T#40	10	UW-River Falls	12-5	LOST at #38 UW-La Crosse, 48-62; def. UW-Platteville, 71-49
#42	6	Bates	12-4	LOST to #14 Bowdoin, 61-67; LOST to #13 Williams, 50-56; def. Middlebury, 72-58
#43	4	Colby	10-3	def. Husson, 76-56; LOST to #14 Bowdoin, 56-65
#44	3	Coe	12-2	def. T#28 Wartburg, 51-39
#45	1	Mississippi College	12-2	def. East Texas Baptist, 73-57

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Lagrange	11-1	LOST at Piedmont, 72-85; def. Wesleyan (Ga.), 106-36

[Lutefisk]

All i can say is that i watched George Fox and Wisconsin-Stevens
point play a common opponent and George Fox is clearly the better team.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

Team	Record
Hope	15-0
Babson	14-0
Denison	16-0
Gallaudet	14-0
Thomas More	15-0
Greensboro	14-0

6 teams left unbeaten (as even noted on the d3hoops main page, but still continuing my coverage )  4 teams fell from the unbeaten ranks this past week. 2 of these teams are unranked.

All i can say is that i watched George Fox and Wisconsin-Stevens
point play a common opponent and George Fox is clearly the better team.

I don't know enough about either team, but all I can say is George Fox lost to UW-Whitewater and UW-Stevens beat them pretty handedly. 

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

The poll is out and the Pride are in it.  My mental poll is pretty close to where I thought the top 25 teams would be this week.

I didn't think Rochester would drop so far, but it does make sense.  Chicago is where I thought they would be after the impressive 6 days they had.  I didn't see Thomas More leap frogging over Amherst.  I did expect CNU to drop though.  (Although I still think #8 is still more likely for them.  I managed to watch a few of the top 10 teams play via video.  I think they are just a little stronger than CNU)

I wonder how the poll position for Greensboro will be affected win or lose this week when Sunday rolls around.  (They are expected to beat Peace prior to CNU, but stranger things have happened before at Peace)

[jumphigh]

Poll point system?

vote for No. 1 = 25 points
vote for No. 2=  24 points
etc. down to
vote for No. 25 = 1 point

is this correct?

[deiscanton]

Jumphigh--

Your reasoning on the point system is correct.   For example, Hope is #1 right now with 623 points.   Hope got 23 first place votes which add up to 575 of those 623 points, and the 2 voters who gave Amherst their first place votes gave Hope their #2 votes this week, for 48 of those 623 points.

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

The WBCA poll doesn't get it......

Way back then.   WBCA has Rochester still ranked ahead of University of Chicago, really?   Chicago really put it on Rochester this past week.


Looking at the 58 votes for Greensboro, I think its fair to assume that not all the those associated with the poll actually voted for Greensboro.  I think there may be a few votes as high as 17 but then trickling down.  I am thinking there is still probably at least 7-9 voters that haven't given their vote to Greensboro.

They are barely into the poll nearly 17 votes behind the 24th spot and nearly 50 points from 22. I am not arguing that they should be higher, but stating an observation.