Top 25 discussion

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GuyFormerlyPSBBG

Anybody interested in doing a fan poll?

I would like to get at least 10 people. Fans opinions always are fun.  Of course, it will always provide some talking points for the boards. Pat Coleman can then ask advertisers to pay more for space. :)  I probably watch more women's games then Pat Coleman :) (only kidding of course. Or am I...bahaha)

I don't have any d3 games to go to down here in FL.  I think the excitement level in d3 games is probably the best comparing all levels.

7express

I'll get in on this...granted I don't follow many teams outside of the Northeast, Atlantic and East regions though...

GuyFormerlyPSBBG

Quote from: Captain Bob on November 01, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Great to see Greensboro (USAC) in the top 25.  Interesting that Christopher Newport was RV and no mention of Ferrum given we were picked 3rd in the conference poll (Ferrum was 2nd, Greensboro 1st).  Maybe the national voters remember the tournament run and forgot we lost a coach and three starters?

Looking forward to a great season though.

I think the 90 points for CNU was well deserved after that impressive win over R-MC.  I bet both teams were probably shocked from the outcome on this. (CNU has that confidence, but when you lose an ALL-WORLD player in Schweers, I don't think anyone would expect a win of that margin.)  RM-C returned quite a few starters and they were pricked to win the ODAC.


I would expect CNU to probably be ranked when the new poll comes out in the end of the both. (If they lose, then I wouldn't expect it.)

Darryl Nester

"How They Fared" coming tonight after the final games are complete, barring some unexpected complication with my computer program.  (It ran successfully -- after some tweaking -- with the current state of the scoreboard, and I assume will still be OK when the scores are all finalized.)

Darryl Nester

#1414
How They Fared (Complete)

Because of the large number of teams, I'll split this post into two pieces.  One game (#42 Coe @ UW-Platteville) is getting a late start; I'll edit it in later.

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1593Amherst3-0def. Norwich, 90-38; def. St. Lawrence, 93-63;
def. Mount Holyoke, 67-41
#2590Chicago4-0def. Fontbonne, 93-57; def. Macalester, 81-59;
def. Lake Forest, 61-59; def. #49 Carthage, 66-45
#3541George Fox4-0def. Corban, 79-57; def. Northwest (Wash), 81-62;
def. Chapman, 74-57; def. Cal Lutheran, 63-51
#4494William Paterson5-0def. Manhattanville, 103-99; def. Moravian, 71-65;
def. Heidelberg, 99-51; def. New Paltz State, 74-63;
def. Baruch, 91-82
#5484Babson3-1def. Salem State, 94-45; def. Brandeis, 64-35;
def. Tufts, 73-64; LOST at #32 Williams, 39-61
#6482Calvin5-0def. Manchester, 48-43; def. Cincinnati-Clermont, 90-38;
def. Anderson, 70-55; def. Iowa Wesleyan, 77-65;
def. Siena Heights, 75-53
#7423Washington U.4-1def. Fontbonne, 65-60; def. Northland, 65-45;
def. Lake Forest, 66-51; def. Hendrix, 62-52;
LOST to #10 DePauw, 57-69
#8371Rochester4-0def. Oswego State, 73-39; def. New Paltz State, 68-43;
def. Baruch, 77-63; def. Elmira, 80-36
#9323Lebanon Valley4-0def. Marywood, 60-45; def. Gallaudet, 59-35;
def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 55-42; def. Susquehanna, 72-45
#10308DePauw3-1def. Albion, 59-48; LOST at Franklin, 47-52;
def. #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 67-54; def. #7 Washington U., 69-57
#11306UW-Stevens Point4-0def. #50 St. Thomas, 70-53; def. Finlandia, 72-39;
def. Alverno, 70-43; def. Millikin, 66-45
#12288Denison4-2def. Bethany, 69-61; LOST to #30 Baldwin-Wallace, 53-54;
def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-74; def. Thiel, 65-58;
def. Carnegie Mellon, 63-58; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 53-56
#13274Mount Union5-0def. Westminster (Pa.), 68-53; def. Case Western Reserve, 55-49;
def. Carnegie Mellon, 74-54; def. Allegheny, 92-44;
def. Manchester, 76-53
#14251Bowdoin3-0def. Plymouth State, 80-27; def. RPI, 65-61;
def. University of New England, 69-53
#15238Greensboro3-0def. Guilford, 59-49; def. Cabrini, 74-48;
def. St. Mary's (Md.), 71-58
#16203Colby3-0def. Clark, 79-57; def. Brandeis, 60-44;
def. Maine-Farmington, 80-37
#17185Illinois Wesleyan3-2def. #42 Coe, 77-66; def. T#44 UW-Eau Claire, 78-69;
LOST at #21 UW-Whitewater, 72-80; LOST at #10 DePauw, 54-67;
def. Hendrix, 84-43
#18178Thomas More2-1def. #46 Centre, 80-79; LOST to Capital, 59-65;
def. Shawnee St., 64-62
#19167Hope4-1def. Rochester (Mich.), 84-36; LOST at Capital, 53-62;
def. Mount St. Joseph, 81-66; def. Defiance, 68-43;
def. Aquinas, 66-65
#20164Muhlenberg4-0def. Moravian, 87-78; def. Shenandoah, 94-60;
def. New Jersey, 74-63; def. Gettysburg, 63-48
#21121UW-Whitewater5-1def. Carroll, 82-60; def. Whitworth, 80-57;
LOST at Millikin, 73-78; def. #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-72;
def. Dubuque, 66-52; def. St. Scholastica, 76-46
#22109Messiah3-1def. Dickinson, 58-47; def. John Jay, 77-38;
LOST to #24 St. Vincent, 62-67; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 70-45
#23106Howard Payne2-1def. Austin, 68-61; def. Ferrum, 83-78;
LOST to Texas-Dallas, 70-74
#24105St. Vincent3-1def. Farmingdale State, 63-47; def. #22 Messiah, 67-62;
def. Pitt-Bradford, 80-32; LOST to #31 Juniata, 63-76
#25101Lewis and Clark4-0def. Evergreen St., 74-41; def. Oneonta State, 59-58;
def. #43 Kean, 81-71; def. Concordia (Ore.), 66-50

Darryl Nester

#1415
Others receiving votes

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2694Wisconsin Lutheran2-1def. Bethel, 57-43; LOST to #49 Carthage, 57-63;
def. Marian, 78-72
#2790Christopher Newport4-0def. #33 Randolph-Macon, 74-48; def. Roanoke, 72-58;
def. Salisbury, 66-55; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 72-57
#2886UW-River Falls4-0def. Gustavus Adolphus, 50-43; def. T#38 Simpson, 79-73;
def. Luther, 64-53; def. Concordia (Wis.), 61-60
#2967Wheaton (Ill.)2-2LOST at St. Mary's (Ind.), 63-66; def. Illinois College, 66-38;
LOST to UW-La Crosse, 43-53; def. Aurora, 84-51
#3060Baldwin-Wallace3-1def. Wittenberg, 56-53; def. #12 Denison, 54-53;
LOST at Manchester, 45-59; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-64
#3146Juniata6-0def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 82-51; def. Widener, 68-63;
def. #41 DeSales, 59-43; def. Mount Aloysius, 74-52;
def. #24 St. Vincent, 76-63; def. Frostburg State, 77-40
#3237Williams4-0def. Whitman, 56-53; def. #5 Babson, 61-39;
def. Springfield, 62-42; def. Massachusetts College, 87-65
#3333Randolph-Macon1-3def. Marymount, 67-51; LOST to #27 Christopher Newport, 48-74;
LOST to #36 Mary Washington, 40-54; LOST to Eastern Mennonite, 78-85
#3426Rhode Island College2-1LOST at University of New England, 62-63; def. Bridgewater State, 84-68;
def. WPI, 67-49
#3521Louisiana College3-0def. LaGrange, 94-87; def. Millsaps, 87-48;
def. Schreiner, 82-59
#3619Mary Washington4-0def. Washington and Lee, 64-48; def. Roanoke, 75-41;
def. #33 Randolph-Macon, 54-40; def. Shenandoah, 60-48
#3718Johns Hopkins3-1def. York (Pa.), 67-62; def. Hood, 71-35;
def. Bridgewater (Va.), 47-42; LOST to Haverford, 42-54
T#3817Mount St. Mary3-1def. New Paltz State, 62-47; LOST at St. Lawrence, 69-76;
def. Norwich, 66-52; def. Montclair State, 66-57
T#3817Ohio Northern5-1def. Albion, 62-53; def. Transylvania, 62-41;
LOST to Hanover, 62-76; def. Kenyon, 60-55;
def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 68-64; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 64-42
T#3817Simpson4-1def. AIB College of Business, 86-83; LOST at #28 UW-River Falls, 73-79;
def. Bethany Lutheran, 94-52; def. Carleton, 85-70;
def. Grand View, 83-69
#4116DeSales1-2def. Wesley, 89-39; LOST to #31 Juniata, 43-59;
LOST to Moravian, 50-66
#4213Coe2-2LOST at Elmhurst, 70-78; LOST to #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 66-77;
def. Ripon, 49-40; def. UW-Platteville, 77-69
#439Kean4-1def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 96-74; def. Salisbury, 71-50;
LOST to #25 Lewis and Clark, 71-81; def. FDU-Florham, 83-67;
def. Stevens, 66-58
T#448Medaille1-2def. St. John Fisher, 69-40; LOST to Ithaca, 58-70;
LOST to Cortland State, 76-89
T#448UW-Eau Claire4-2def. St. Scholastica, 68-58; def. Ripon, 64-62;
LOST to #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-78; def. #48 St. Norbert, 49-44;
LOST at Minn. St. Mankato, 50-59; def. Cornell, 63-35
#467Centre3-1def. #47 Maryville (Tenn.), 80-60; def. Berry, 87-74;
def. Rose-Hulman, 84-44; LOST to #18 Thomas More, 79-80
#475Maryville (Tenn.)2-2LOST at #46 Centre, 60-80; def. Oglethorpe, 61-50;
LOST at Shawnee St., 54-60; def. Capital, 59-42
#483St. Norbert2-2LOST at #49 Carthage, 48-61; def. Martin Luther, 58-47;
def. UW-Superior, 77-68; LOST to T#44 UW-Eau Claire, 44-49
#492Carthage4-1def. #48 St. Norbert, 61-48; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 71-45;
def. #26 Wisconsin Lutheran, 63-57; def. Benedictine, 69-49;
LOST at #2 Chicago, 45-66
#501St. Thomas2-1LOST at #11 UW-Stevens Point, 53-70; def. Southwestern, 76-63;
def. Trinity (Texas), 80-63

BigMac

This is great Darryl, Thanks for doing this!!!

Ralph Turner

I guess the best way to express appreciation on these boards is to award karma (for those who have the ability).

+1! Thanks for doing this!   :)

GuyFormerlyPSBBG

The poll is close to the poll I am keeping on the side.  I will start to publish it on the boards next week.  Turkey day weekend, threw me off my schedule. My poll isn't through Sunday and Monday.  I had Denison out after the first loss.  1 and 2 are the same. 4 5 and 6 move up on spot and I have George Fox at #6.  Mount Union is very good, I like where they are.  (I watched a few of their games online last year too.  I really like the way they play the game.) I believe teams shouldn't benefit from winning based on their position in the poll.  I dropped Lebanon Valley down to 13.  I haven't like Greensboro's schedule.  I think their position holds, only because teams above them lost.  Guilford will make a run at the ODAC. (More on that later.) 19-25, there are some differences.  I had CNU in the poll, I didn't have them as high, but they were in the poll after that blowout to RMC.  I had Capital and Hope above CNU.  (I didn't have the Capital loss to Maryville in my poll yet.) 


I think Ferrum deserves some attention in the South.  I don't think any other southern conference school, not currently ranked, deserves a spot over Ferrum.  You could argue an undefeated team, but then we will have to look at the schedules.  USASouth has two teams ranked in the top 25.  Ferrum was picked 2nd, and they are not in poll.

USASouth's top 3 teams could compete with any of top teams in the south.  I don't think the conference gets enough credit, because the bottom half of the conference just isn't as good..

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1615Amherst4-0def. Keene State, 66-45; 12/04 vs. Lehman
#2598Chicago5-0def. #38 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-60; 12/03 vs. #30 Illinois Wesleyan
#3579George Fox4-012/02 at Whitman; 12/03 at Whitworth
#4526Calvin6-0def. Albion, 69-60; 12/03 vs. Adrian
#5511Rochester5-0def. Brockport State, 75-33; 12/01 at William Smith; 12/03 at TBA
#6482William Paterson6-0def. Ramapo, 73-49; 12/03 vs. New Jersey
#7447UW-Stevens Point5-0def. Elmhurst, 65-48; 12/03 vs. UW-Superior
#8403Lebanon Valley5-0def. #31 Messiah, 54-47; 12/03 vs. Arcadia
#9392Mount Union5-012/03 at T#39 Otterbein
#10348Bowdoin3-1LOST at Southern Maine, 49-63; 12/03 at #15 Colby
#11337DePauw4-1def. Millikin, 64-41; 12/03 vs. #34 Denison
#12315Washington U.4-112/02 vs. Augustana; 12/03 vs. TBA
#13302Muhlenberg4-012/01 at Swarthmore; 12/03 vs. Washington College
#14261Greensboro4-0def. Methodist, 57-41; 12/03 vs. Mary Baldwin
#15252Colby4-0def. Thomas, 87-26; 12/03 vs. #10 Bowdoin
#16246Williams4-012/02 vs. Bridgewater State; 12/03 vs. TBA
#17223Babson4-1def. WPI, 84-42; 12/03 at Mount Holyoke
#18182Lewis and Clark5-0def. Corban, 79-65; 12/02 at Whitworth; 12/03 at Whitman
#19161Christopher Newport5-0def. Mary Baldwin, 68-39; 12/03 vs. Methodist
#20144Juniata6-012/03 vs. Susquehanna
#21114UW-River Falls5-0def. St. Scholastica, 72-56; 12/03 at UW-Platteville
#22111Franklin6-0def. Defiance, 74-60; 12/03 at Bluffton
#2396UW-Whitewater5-112/03 vs. UW-Stout
#2481Hope5-1def. Kalamazoo, 76-39; 12/03 at Albion
#2568Capital4-2LOST at Wilmington, 30-49; 12/03 vs. John Carroll


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2642Thomas More3-1def. Geneva, 82-44; 12/03 vs. Grove City
#2737Louisiana College4-0def. Texas Lutheran, 93-75; 12/01 vs. #33 Howard Payne; 12/03 vs. Sul Ross State
#2836St. Vincent4-1def. Westminster (Pa.), 72-62; 12/03 at Chatham
#2934Mary Washington5-0def. Stevenson, 64-36; 12/03 vs. Frostburg State
#3032Illinois Wesleyan3-212/03 at #2 Chicago
#3130Messiah3-2LOST at #8 Lebanon Valley, 47-54; 12/03 at Elizabethtown
#3225Kean5-1def. Rutgers-Camden, 70-41; 12/03 at Ramapo
#3322Howard Payne3-1def. University of the Ozarks, 78-50; 12/01 at #27 Louisiana College; 12/03 at Mississippi College
#3418Denison4-212/03 at #11 DePauw
#3516Baldwin-Wallace4-1def. Carnegie Mellon, 50-47; 12/03 at Marietta
#3614Carthage5-1def. Clarke, 67-32
#3711Texas-Dallas5-0def. Sul Ross State, 72-38; 12/01 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 12/03 vs. McMurry
#384Wheaton (Ill.)2-3LOST to #2 Chicago, 60-71; 12/03 at UW-Oshkosh
T#393Otterbein5-0def. Oberlin, 60-45; 12/03 vs. #9 Mount Union
T#393Wisconsin Lutheran3-1def. Alverno, 81-51; 12/02 vs. Agnes Scott; 12/03 at TBA
T#412Centre3-112/02 at Millsaps; 12/04 at Rhodes
T#412Transylvania1-3def. Midway, 70-49; 12/03 vs. Anderson

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1615Amherst5-0def. Keene State, 66-45; def. Lehman, 88-33
#2598Chicago6-0def. #38 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-60; def. #30 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-77
#3579George Fox6-0def. Whitman, 54-53; def. Whitworth, 81-69
#4526Calvin7-0def. Albion, 69-60; def. Adrian, 64-46
#5511Rochester7-0def. Brockport State, 75-33; def. William Smith, 67-55; def. Roberts Wesleyan, 56-44
#6482William Paterson7-0def. Ramapo, 73-49; def. New Jersey, 71-53
#7447UW-Stevens Point6-0def. Elmhurst, 65-48; def. UW-Superior, 74-55
#8403Lebanon Valley6-0def. #31 Messiah, 54-47; def. Arcadia, 75-44
#9392Mount Union5-1LOST at T#39 Otterbein, 52-63
#10348Bowdoin3-2LOST at Southern Maine, 49-63; LOST at #15 Colby, 41-56
#11337DePauw5-1def. Millikin, 64-41; def. #34 Denison, 58-45
#12315Washington U.6-1def. Augustana, 70-47; def. T#39 Wisconsin Lutheran, 70-58
#13302Muhlenberg6-0def. Swarthmore, 85-70; def. Washington College, 71-63
#14261Greensboro5-0def. Methodist, 57-41; def. Mary Baldwin, 74-46
#15252Colby5-0def. Thomas, 87-26; def. #10 Bowdoin, 56-41
#16246Williams6-0def. Bridgewater State, 89-63; def. Daemen, 71-45
#17223Babson5-1def. WPI, 84-42; def. Mount Holyoke, 63-33
#18182Lewis and Clark7-0def. Corban, 79-65; def. Whitworth, 69-56; def. Whitman, 64-54
#19161Christopher Newport5-1def. Mary Baldwin, 68-39; LOST to Methodist, 60-64
#20144Juniata7-0def. Susquehanna, 83-53
#21114UW-River Falls6-0def. St. Scholastica, 72-56; def. UW-Platteville, 67-46
#22111Franklin7-0def. Defiance, 74-60; def. Bluffton, 60-48
#2396UW-Whitewater6-1def. UW-Stout, 95-65
#2481Hope6-1def. Kalamazoo, 76-39; def. Albion, 78-53
#2568Capital5-2LOST at Wilmington, 30-49; def. John Carroll, 71-39


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2642Thomas More4-1def. Geneva, 82-44; def. Grove City, 71-29
#2737Louisiana College6-0def. Texas Lutheran, 93-75; def. #33 Howard Payne, 104-76; def. Sul Ross State, 105-60
#2836St. Vincent5-1def. Westminster (Pa.), 72-62; def. Chatham, 62-37
#2934Mary Washington6-0def. Stevenson, 64-36; def. Frostburg State, 64-31
#3032Illinois Wesleyan3-3LOST at #2 Chicago, 77-80
#3130Messiah4-2LOST at #8 Lebanon Valley, 47-54; def. Elizabethtown, 66-49
#3225Kean6-1def. Rutgers-Camden, 70-41; def. Ramapo, 90-84
#3322Howard Payne4-2def. University of the Ozarks, 78-50; LOST at #27 Louisiana College, 76-104; def. Mississippi College, 68-63
#3418Denison4-3LOST at #11 DePauw, 45-58
#3516Baldwin-Wallace4-2def. Carnegie Mellon, 50-47; LOST at Marietta, 64-70
#3614Carthage5-1def. Clarke, 67-32
#3711Texas-Dallas6-1def. Sul Ross State, 72-38; def. Hardin-Simmons, 67-56; LOST to McMurry, 49-53
#384Wheaton (Ill.)3-3LOST to #2 Chicago, 60-71; def. UW-Oshkosh, 61-58
T#393Otterbein6-0def. Oberlin, 60-45; def. #9 Mount Union, 63-52
T#393Wisconsin Lutheran4-2def. Alverno, 81-51; def. Agnes Scott, 62-40; LOST at #12 Washington U., 58-70
T#412Centre5-1def. Millsaps, 66-61; def. Rhodes, 62-57
T#412Transylvania1-4def. Midway, 70-49; LOST to Anderson, 45-54

GuyFormerlyPSBBG


Ok.  I am going to do this again.  I first posted this on the 10th of last year and then I followed it up every week.  We have 34 undefeated teams 16 of which are ranked.  Last year at this time there was only 8 ranked teams with 30 undefeated. I should have my personal  top 25 poll out tonight or early tomorrow.






























TeamRecord
Louisanna College5-0
Concordia (Texas)4-0
Mary Washington6-0
Mulenberg6-0
Ithaca6-0
Piedmont6-0
Franklin7-0
Hanover3-0
Juniata7-0
Skidmore4-0
Vassar4-0
Western Conn7-0
Fitchburg State7-0
Calvin6-0
Trine6-0
Lebanon Valley6-0
Ausburg3-0
Smith6-0
Amherst5-0
Colby5-0
Williams6-0
William Patterson6-0
New England College7-0
Lewis and Clark7-0
George Fox6-0
Wiliminton5-0
Otterbein6-0






Eastern Mennonite6-0
Westminster (Mo.)5-0
Rochester7-0
Chicago6-0
Greensboro4-0
UW-River Falls6-0
UW-Stevens Point6-0

GuyFormerlyPSBBG

Are there some new people voting in the poll this year?  I've don't think I've seen as much love for undefeated teams this year compared to prior years.


Last season week 2:  13 teams in the top 25 had 1 or more losses.
This season week 2: 6 teams with 1 loss in the top 25.

sunny

I think you have to examine some other factors. First, are there more undefeated teams overall than at this point last year? I don't know. Second, the vast majority of undefeated teams in the poll started the season highly touted or have knocked off a highly touted team or beat another team that started hot (Otterbein, Franklin are two examples). Voting is never easy, but because of that it's been a little easier (so far) for this voter. In past years, it seemed a lot of the unbeatens at this point didn't have a signature win or the benefit of a 'pedigree.'

Wydown Blvd.

I'm not a voter, but it looks like the undefeated teams in the top-16 are all highly touted programs -- Chicago, Amherst, Calvin, Rochester, UW-SP etc. No team really coming out of nowhere just because they are undefeated this early in the season. It actually seems like taking a look at the undefeated teams at this point isn't a bad way to vote with not too too many upsets yet near the top of the poll -- even the Mount Union and Bowdoin losses since the last poll were to some very good teams.