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GuyFormerlyPSBBG

Quote from: sunny on December 06, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
First, are there more undefeated teams overall than at this point last year? I don't know.

My post yesterday

Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 05, 2011, 08:29:02 AM

Ok.  I am going to do this again.  I first posted this on the 10th of last year and then I followed it up every week.  We have 34 undefeated teams 16 of which are ranked.  Last year at this time there was only 8 ranked teams with 30 undefeated. I should have my personal  top 25 poll out tonight or early tomorrow.


I do have to give the voters a bunch of credit, you are right it is tough.

I can see the argument on why Williams jumped above Greensboro...They beat Babson (in the previous poll....)  Babson on more than one occasion was regarded as overrated last season and jumped the polls because of their record. 

I think Williams is benefiting from being in a very good conference too.   

I am not disagreeing with the jump, I do think Williams is the better team at this point.

At first I was disappointed that Greensboro didn't play well against Methodist @ Methodist, but turned out to be a quality win. As Methodist went to the Freeman Center and took out CNU. (I believe it was among the most active win streaks at home for any team in any division!) 

sunny

Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2011, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: sunny on December 06, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
First, are there more undefeated teams overall than at this point last year? I don't know.

My post yesterday

Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 05, 2011, 08:29:02 AM

Ok.  I am going to do this again.  I first posted this on the 10th of last year and then I followed it up every week.  We have 34 undefeated teams 16 of which are ranked.  Last year at this time there was only 8 ranked teams with 30 undefeated. I should have my personal  top 25 poll out tonight or early tomorrow.


My apologies for overlooking that, but I do think the second factor I mentioned is what is really at play here.

As for Greensboro v. Williams, I too have Williams above Greensboro (but both are in the same neighborhood) - not simply because they beat Babson, but how they did it. That game was over by halftime.  While I tend to believe that Babson's pre-season ranking was probably too high, they still seem to be a very good team.  I leap-frogged them in the week 1 poll though, while it seems a lot of other voters took a "wait and see approach."  Either way, the difference between 11th and 12th in the overall poll is only three points - an average difference of 0.12 spots per vote.  That's pretty darned close to a tie.

sunny

Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 06, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
I'm not a voter, but it looks like the undefeated teams in the top-16 are all highly touted programs -- Chicago, Amherst, Calvin, Rochester, UW-SP etc. No team really coming out of nowhere just because they are undefeated this early in the season. It actually seems like taking a look at the undefeated teams at this point isn't a bad way to vote with not too too many upsets yet near the top of the poll -- even the Mount Union and Bowdoin losses since the last poll were to some very good teams.

THIS. We're simply not seeing the same number of "outlier" results we usually do yet. Williams win over Babson was an upset at the time, but Williams is still unbeaten. Same for Franklin v. DePauw and Otterbein v. Mount Union. There simply hasn't been a "Salisbury beats Va Wes Men" equivalent on the women's side this year.

7express

This is a big week for the Western Connecticut state women (7-0 their best start under Kim Rybczyk); play Mount St. Mary tonight and Southern Maine Saturday.  We get through these 2 games (both at home and haven't lose there since February of 2009), and there's a pretty good chance we could be undefeated heading into the RIC contest on January 24.  Hopefully, we can get some votes between now and then if that's indeed the case.

Wydown Blvd.

Quote from: 7express on December 06, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
This is a big week for the Western Connecticut state women (7-0 their best start under Kim Rybczyk); play Mount St. Mary tonight and Southern Maine Saturday.  We get through these 2 games (both at home and haven't lose there since February of 2009), and there's a pretty good chance we could be undefeated heading into the RIC contest on January 24.  Hopefully, we can get some votes between now and then if that's indeed the case.

If you get those two wins you will get votes... Wins over those programs would be voter-friendly wins.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1618Amherst6-0def. Emmanuel, 84-60; 12/08 at Eastern Connecticut
#2599Chicago6-0IDLE
#3578George Fox6-012/09 vs. Colorado College; 12/10 vs. Chapman
#4533Calvin8-0def. Trine, 53-37
#5510Rochester8-0def. #30 Ithaca, 68-59; 12/10 at William Smith
#6498William Paterson7-012/10 vs. #17 Juniata
#7473UW-Stevens Point7-0def. UW-Oshkosh, 56-40; 12/10 at #36 Illinois Wesleyan
#8408Lebanon Valley7-0def. Misericordia, 57-54; 12/08 at Brooklyn
#9397DePauw5-112/10 vs. Ohio Wesleyan
#10367Washington U.6-112/09 at Loras
#11330Williams7-0def. Skidmore, 47-31; 12/10 vs. Wesleyan
#12327Greensboro5-012/10 at Piedmont
#13316Muhlenberg8-0def. DeSales, 66-60; def. Bryn Mawr, 115-43
#14313Colby5-1LOST to University of New England, 63-70; 12/10 at Emmanuel
#15244Lewis and Clark8-0def. Warner Pacific, 53-52
#16217Babson6-1def. Wellesley, 66-39; 12/09 vs. Wheaton (Mass.)
#17199Juniata8-0def. Dickinson, 76-51; 12/10 at #6 William Paterson
#18192UW-River Falls7-0def. Martin Luther, 74-50; 12/10 at UW-Oshkosh
#19181Franklin8-0def. Hanover, 70-67; 12/10 at Earlham
#20172Mount Union6-1def. John Carroll, 69-55; 12/10 vs. #34 Capital
#21127UW-Whitewater6-2LOST at UW-La Crosse, 68-71; 12/10 at T#37 UW-Eau Claire
#22104Hope7-1def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 74-56; 12/10 vs. Alma
#23101Louisiana College7-0def. Mississippi College, 71-56
#2468Mary Washington6-012/09 at Marymount
#2553Otterbein6-1LOST to Ohio Northern, 50-52; 12/10 at Marietta


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2642Christopher Newport5-1IDLE
#2740Thomas More5-1def. Washington and Jefferson, 63-43; 12/10 at Bethany
#2834Kean6-2LOST at DeSales, 78-85; 12/10 vs. Messiah
#2920Wilmington5-012/10 vs. Baldwin-Wallace
#3017Ithaca6-1LOST to #5 Rochester, 59-68; 12/10 vs. Baruch
#3115Carthage6-1def. Loras, 67-51; 12/10 vs. Coe
#3210St. Vincent6-1def. Grove City, 73-53; 12/10 at Thiel
#339Bowdoin4-2def. Husson, 99-64; 12/08 vs. Bates;
12/10 at Emerson
#345Capital5-212/10 at #20 Mount Union
#353Centre5-1IDLE
#362Illinois Wesleyan3-312/10 vs. #7 UW-Stevens Point
T#371Howard Payne4-212/10 vs. Texas-Tyler
T#371McMurry5-112/08 vs. East Texas Baptist; 12/10 vs. Centenary (La.)
T#371UW-Eau Claire6-2def. UW-Platteville, 71-62; 12/10 vs. #21 UW-Whitewater

Ralph Turner

I am glad to see McMurry women getting votes.

After the very strong road trip to Ozarks (an 8-hour trip to a hostile environment with a solid core of fans) and the another 5hour bus ride back to Dallas to play before a strong UTDallas team, they awept the weekend.

McMurry has an athletic ETBU and Centenary this week, and then crosstown Hardin-Simmons on the 19th.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1618Amherst7-0def. Emmanuel, 84-60; def. Eastern Connecticut, 66-45
#2599Chicago6-0IDLE
#3578George Fox8-0def. Colorado College, 69-27; def. Chapman, 81-47
#4533Calvin8-0def. Trine, 53-37
#5510Rochester9-0def. #30 Ithaca, 68-59; def. William Smith, 61-53
#6498William Paterson8-0def. #17 Juniata, 71-53
#7473UW-Stevens Point8-0def. UW-Oshkosh, 56-40; def. #36 Illinois Wesleyan, 82-68
#8408Lebanon Valley8-0def. Misericordia, 57-54; def. Brooklyn, 61-47
#9397DePauw6-1def. Ohio Wesleyan, 79-52
#10367Washington U.7-1def. Loras, 55-50
#11330Williams8-0def. Skidmore, 47-31; def. Wesleyan, 69-55
#12327Greensboro5-1LOST at Piedmont, 45-57
#13316Muhlenberg8-0def. DeSales, 66-60; def. Bryn Mawr, 115-43
#14313Colby6-1LOST to University of New England, 63-70; def. Emmanuel, 56-53
#15244Lewis and Clark8-0def. Warner Pacific, 53-52
#16217Babson7-1def. Wellesley, 66-39; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 82-42
#17199Juniata8-1def. Dickinson, 76-51; LOST at #6 William Paterson, 53-71
#18192UW-River Falls8-0def. Martin Luther, 74-50; def. UW-Oshkosh, 71-44
#19181Franklin9-0def. Hanover, 70-67; def. Earlham, 77-29
#20172Mount Union7-1def. John Carroll, 69-55; def. #34 Capital, 79-73
#21127UW-Whitewater6-3LOST at UW-La Crosse, 68-71; LOST at T#37 UW-Eau Claire, 70-75
#22104Hope8-1def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 74-56; def. Alma, 86-50
#23101Louisiana College7-0def. Mississippi College, 71-56
#2468Mary Washington7-0def. Marymount, 63-42
#2553Otterbein7-1LOST to Ohio Northern, 50-52; def. Marietta, 68-60


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2642Christopher Newport5-1IDLE
#2740Thomas More6-1def. Washington and Jefferson, 63-43; def. Bethany, 83-64
#2834Kean7-2LOST at DeSales, 78-85; def. Messiah, 87-67
#2920Wilmington6-0def. Baldwin-Wallace, 54-48
#3017Ithaca7-1LOST to #5 Rochester, 59-68; def. Baruch, 64-59
#3115Carthage6-2def. Loras, 67-51; LOST to Coe, 57-63
#3210St. Vincent7-1def. Grove City, 73-53; def. Thiel, 79-66
#339Bowdoin6-2def. Husson, 99-64; def. Bates, 66-60; def. Emerson, 83-59
#345Capital5-3LOST at #20 Mount Union, 73-79
#353Centre5-1IDLE
#362Illinois Wesleyan3-4LOST to #7 UW-Stevens Point, 68-82
T#371Howard Payne5-2def. Texas-Tyler, 85-69
T#371McMurry7-1def. East Texas Baptist, 68-56; def. Centenary (La.), 87-61
T#371UW-Eau Claire7-2def. UW-Platteville, 71-62; def. #21 UW-Whitewater, 75-70


7express

William Paterson creams a very good defensive MSM team tonight 74-41.  That team is very good, and the role players scored a lot of points.  That's a team I could end up seeing in the regional finals this year, clearly the best in the NJAC this year.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1619Amherst8-0def. Springfield, 69-26
#2597Chicago8-0def. Olivet, 80-36; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-60
#3579George Fox8-0IDLE
#4535Calvin9-0def. Olivet, 72-33
#5505Rochester10-0def. Rochester Tech, 79-45
#6504William Paterson10-0def. York (N.Y.), 90-40; def. Mount St. Mary, 74-41
#7485UW-Stevens Point10-0def. #28 UW-Whitewater, 71-50; def. Lawrence, 74-38
#8420Lebanon Valley8-0IDLE
#9408DePauw6-1IDLE
#10382Washington U.8-1def. Webster, 54-44
#11361Williams8-0IDLE
#12338Muhlenberg9-0def. Albright, 80-47
#13307Lewis and Clark9-0def. Whittier, 76-61 (live stats stalled at 0:23 remaining)
#14288UW-River Falls10-0def. UW-Stout, 69-38; def. T#37 Simpson, 75-59
#15262Franklin10-0def. Trine, 51-43
#16238Babson7-1IDLE
#17186Louisiana College8-1def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 106-73
#18161Hope10-1def. Finlandia, 76-42; def. T#32 Ithaca, 61-50
#19151Juniata9-1def. Marymount, 63-48
#20150Mount Union8-1def. #25 Wilmington, 76-55
#21124Mary Washington8-0def. T#30 Christopher Newport, 52-48
#22123Greensboro5-1IDLE
#2396Colby6-1IDLE
#2456Piedmont9-0def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 70-53; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 76-46
#2552Wilmington6-2LOST at Marietta, 61-63; LOST to #20 Mount Union, 55-76


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2640Thomas More7-1def. Wittenberg, 78-62
#2738Otterbein8-1def. John Carroll, 72-64
#2820UW-Whitewater6-4LOST to #7 UW-Stevens Point, 50-71
#2916Ohio Northern9-1def. Marietta, 80-36
T#3014Christopher Newport5-2LOST at #21 Mary Washington, 48-52
T#3014St. Vincent7-1IDLE
T#3212Ithaca8-2def. Robert Morris-Springfield, 67-36; LOST at #18 Hope, 50-61
T#3212McMurry7-1IDLE
#3410UW-Eau Claire8-2def. UW-Superior, 76-38
#358University of New England6-1IDLE
#364Centre8-1def. Mount St. Joseph, 81-67; def. Birmingham-Southern, 64-50; def. Oglethorpe, 77-71
T#372Bowdoin6-2IDLE
T#372New England College10-0IDLE
T#372Simpson7-3LOST at #14 UW-River Falls, 59-75
T#401Coe8-2def. Carleton, 82-74
T#401Fitchburg State10-0def. Mount Ida, 72-62
T#401Kean8-2def. Baruch, 82-64
T#401UW-La Crosse8-2def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 61-49

7express

#1435
Leb Valley in danger of their first loss of the season; down 62-50 to Stockton with about 6 minutes left.

Leb Valley suffers first loss, loses 75-65 at Richard Stockton.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Not many games so far, and no new poll until the new year, but here is a look at the games between now and then.  I'll post a complete report on January 1 (and probably nothing else before then).

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1619Amherst8-012/28 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/29 at WPI
#2598Chicago8-012/30 at North Park
#3577George Fox10-0def. Spalding, 58-34; def. Worcester State, 70-42; 12/27 at Concordia (Ore.)
#4536Calvin9-012/30 at #40 UW-La Crosse; 12/31 at Luther
#5505Rochester10-0IDLE
#6493William Paterson10-012/29 vs. Ursinus; 12/30 at TBA
#7489UW-Stevens Point10-012/28 vs. Pt. Loma Nazarene; 12/29 vs. Wellesley
#8422Lebanon Valley9-1def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-64; LOST at Richard Stockton, 65-75; 12/29 vs. Frostburg State
#9415DePauw8-1def. T#36 Hanover, 72-38; def. Wilmington, 64-59; 12/29 vs. Alma
#10391Washington U.8-112/29 at UW-Oshkosh; 12/30 at TBA
#11343Muhlenberg9-0IDLE
#12322Lewis and Clark11-0def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-50; def. La Sierra, 78-53
#13317Williams8-012/29 at Rutgers-Newark; 12/30 at TBA
#14288UW-River Falls10-012/28 vs. #25 Thomas More; 12/29 vs. Carthage
#15272Franklin10-012/30 vs. Alma
#16237Babson7-112/30 vs. UW-Stout; 12/31 at TBA
#17203Hope10-112/28 at Concordia Chicago; 12/29 vs. Baldwin-Wallace
#18180Juniata9-112/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. Ramapo
#19166Mount Union10-1def. Bates, 76-55; def. Drew, 65-33
#20160Mary Washington8-012/28 vs. Keene State; 12/29 vs. SUNYIT
#21159Louisiana College8-2LOST at Concordia (Texas), 71-82
#2284Piedmont10-0def. La Verne, 97-84
#2364Greensboro5-1IDLE
#2453Otterbein9-1def. Baldwin-Wallace, 64-59; 12/28 vs. Bluffton; 12/29 vs. Case Western Reserve
#2552Thomas More8-1def. Bluffton, 69-44; 12/28 at #14 UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. T#36 Simpson


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2641Colby6-1IDLE
#2727McMurry8-1def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-64; 12/30 at Tarleton St.
#2826St. Vincent8-1def. Capital, 84-66; 12/29 at Ramapo; 12/30 vs. Misericordia
#2925Ohio Northern9-2LOST at Capital, 64-83; 12/30 vs. Adrian
#3014UW-Eau Claire8-212/28 vs. Trinity (Texas); 12/29 at Southwestern; 12/31 at Austin
#3112St. Thomas7-1IDLE
#3211Ithaca8-2IDLE
#337University of New England6-1IDLE
#345Centre8-112/29 at Ripon; 12/30 at Mississippi College
#353Coe9-2def. Rockford, 81-34; 12/30 vs. Mount Mercy
T#362Bowdoin6-212/30 at Rivier; 12/31 at Cal Lutheran
T#362Fitchburg State10-0IDLE
T#362Hanover6-2LOST to #9 DePauw, 38-72; def. Kalamazoo, 87-57; 12/29 at Denison; 12/30 at Muskingum; 12/31 at TBA
T#362Simpson7-312/29 at Eureka; 12/30 at #25 Thomas More
#401UW-La Crosse8-212/29 vs. Luther; 12/30 vs. #4 Calvin

Ralph Turner

#1437
Concordia TX may be the best team in the ASC this year.

The coach, Randy Rainbolt, came from Coach Veronica Snow's staff at McMurry.

He is very qualified and is hungry to have his own winning program.

CTX is a great place for him. His home win over LaCollege (in its first full season since the death of Coach Janice Joseph-Richard) was eye-catching to us ASC fans.

McMurry goes to LaCollege on Jan 7th (500-mile bus trip) on the front end of that weekend 1300 mile weekend which has McMurry playing Louisiana College and then Mississippi College.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Happy New Year!

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1619Amherst10-0def. Concordia (Wis.), 67-37; def. WPI, 109-39
#2598Chicago9-0def. North Park, 65-49
#3577George Fox11-0def. Spalding, 58-34; def. Worcester State, 70-42; def. Concordia (Ore.), 72-42
#4536Calvin11-0def. #40 UW-La Crosse, 60-40; def. Luther, 74-38
#5505Rochester10-0IDLE
#6493William Paterson12-0def. Ursinus, 64-49; def. York (Pa.), 74-61
#7489UW-Stevens Point    11-1LOST to Pt. Loma Nazarene, 66-74; def. Wellesley, 62-43
#8422Lebanon Valley10-1def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-64; LOST at Richard Stockton, 65-75; def. Frostburg State, 73-43
#9415DePauw9-1def. T#36 Hanover, 72-38; def. Wilmington, 64-59; def. Alma, 75-50
#10391Washington U.10-1def. UW-Oshkosh, 61-48; def. Wartburg, 47-37
#11343Muhlenberg9-0IDLE
#12322Lewis and Clark11-0def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-50; def. La Sierra, 78-53
#13317Williams10-0def. Rutgers-Newark, 66-43; def. RPI, 62-47
#14288UW-River Falls11-1def. #25 Thomas More, 60-50; LOST to Carthage, 68-75
#15272Franklin11-0def. Alma, 69-52
#16237Babson8-2def. UW-Stout, 72-52; LOST at Southern Maine, 66-68
#17203Hope12-1def. Concordia (Ill.), 68-54; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 62-45
#18180Juniata11-1def. Misericordia, 69-68; def. Ramapo, 68-57
#19166Mount Union10-1def. Bates, 76-55; def. Drew, 65-33
#20160Mary Washington10-0def. Keene State, 46-25; def. SUNYIT, 62-45
#21159Louisiana College8-2LOST at Concordia (Texas), 71-82
#2284Piedmont10-0def. La Verne, 97-84
#2364Greensboro5-1IDLE
#2453Otterbein10-2def. Baldwin-Wallace, 64-59; def. Bluffton, 100-49; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 74-75
#2552Thomas More8-3def. Bluffton, 69-44; LOST to #14 UW-River Falls, 50-60; LOST at T#36 Simpson, 66-79


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2641Colby6-1IDLE
#2727McMurry8-2def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-64; LOST at Tarleton St., 39-71
#2826St. Vincent9-2def. Capital, 84-66; LOST to Ramapo, 64-79; def. Misericordia, 73-55
#2925Ohio Northern10-2LOST at Capital, 64-83; def. Adrian, 64-63
#3014UW-Eau Claire11-2def. Trinity (Texas), 81-34; def. Southwestern, 72-62; def. Austin, 66-32
#3112St. Thomas7-1IDLE
#3211Ithaca8-2IDLE
#337University of New England6-1IDLE
#345Centre10-1def. Ripon, 70-56; def. Mississippi College, 69-56
#353Coe9-3def. Rockford, 81-34; LOST to Mount Mercy, 68-80
T#362Bowdoin7-3def. Rivier, 90-66; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 55-56
T#362Fitchburg State10-0IDLE
T#362Hanover7-3LOST to #9 DePauw, 38-72; def. Kalamazoo, 87-57; LOST at Denison, 51-60; def. Muskingum, 69-56
T#362Simpson9-3def. Eureka, 94-70; def. #25 Thomas More, 79-66
#401UW-La Crosse9-3def. Luther, 67-47; LOST to #4 Calvin, 40-60


7express

Lot of teams lost this week, hopefully RIC gets a vote or 2 (or even USM with their win over Babson).  I'd like to see at least 1 LEC team in at least the ORV category at seasons end.