Top 25 discussion

[gordonmann]

My rule of thumb is that if a team is getting less than 5 points in the poll, it's not worth thinking much about their showing in terms of whether that team deserves to be ranked over someone else. New Paltz sits in the last spot on one person's ballot. With 8000+ points available each week, getting one point is not very telling.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Almost Complete)

Several results still pending, but I am posting now because I'm not sure I'll have a chance to post later. (Power down at home; to walk to campus to access the Internet ...)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Bowdoin	22-0	def. New England College, 93-42; def. Middlebury, 62-58; def. Williams, 93-56
#2	608	Thomas More	24-0	def. St. Vincent, 82-46
#3	543	St. Thomas	20-1	def. Macalester, 99-51; def. Hamline, 81-49
#4	529	Tufts	20-2	LOST to #5 Amherst, 40-50; def. Hamilton, 79-44
#5	493	Amherst	19-2	def. #4 Tufts, 50-40; def. Bates, 53-43
#6	489	Mary Hardin-Baylor	20-2	def. McMurry, 88-57; LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 59-61
#7	464	Scranton	19-2	def. Susquehanna, 70-42; LOST to Catholic, 50-59
#8	443	Trine	19-2	def. Adrian, 84-53
#9	442	Messiah	21-1	def. Stevenson, 61-50; def. Arcadia, 56-51
#10	400	St. Joseph's (Maine)	21-0	def. Rivier, 105-68; def. Johnson and Wales, 85-59
#11	359	Hope	17-3	def. Alma, 83-51
#12	347	UW-Oshkosh	18-2	def. UW-Stout, 81-67
#13	304	Illinois Wesleyan	17-4	LOST to #27 Wheaton (Ill.), 52-58; def. Carthage, 85-73
#14	295	George Fox	18-3	def. Pacific, 70-57; def. Pacific Lutheran, 64-40
#15	278	East Texas Baptist	19-2	def. University of the Ozarks, 80-56; def. Texas-Tyler, 68-58
#16	235	Wartburg	18-3	def. Simpson, 88-73
#17	218	SUNY Geneseo	17-3	def. Buffalo State, 84-66; LOST to SUNY Oneonta, 42-44; LOST to T#40 SUNY New Paltz, 64-73
#18	182	DeSales	19-2	def. #25 Misericordia, 68-59; def. FDU-Florham, 87-41; def. Wilkes, 85-52
#19	180	Chicago	16-4	def. Case Western Reserve, 60-54; def. Carnegie Mellon, 66-54
#20	135	DePauw	18-4	def. Allegheny, 93-56; def. Hiram, 69-52
#21	118	Texas-Dallas	17-4	def. Louisiana College, 77-40; def. Belhaven, 92-52
#22	92	Transylvania	19-2	def. Earlham, 81-52; def. Manchester, 82-48
#23	76	Gettysburg	17-3	def. Franklin and Marshall, 77-66; def. Swarthmore, 75-54
#24	60	Whitman	17-4	def. Whitworth, 89-78; def. Lewis and Clark, 78-52
#25	43	Misericordia	18-3	LOST to #18 DeSales, 59-68; def. Delaware Valley, 78-63; LOST to Manhattanville, 58-61

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	34	UW-La Crosse	18-3	def. UW-Stevens Point, 75-53; def. UW-Platteville, 75-66
#27	31	Wheaton (Ill.)	18-4	def. #13 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-52; def. Elmhurst, 83-61
#28	27	Augsburg	17-3	def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 61-47
#29	23	Emory and Henry	18-3	def. Lynchburg, 61-59 OT; def. Eastern Mennonite, 81-53; def. Averett, 87-52
#30	17	Babson	18-3	def. Williams, 67-51; LOST to Emerson, 52-66; def. WPI, 67-56
T#31	9	Ithaca	16-4	LOST to Skidmore, 59-61; def. RPI, 72-66 OT
T#31	9	Washington U.	15-5	def. Carnegie Mellon, 61-58; def. Case Western Reserve, 81-62
#33	7	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	18-2	02/02 vs. La Verne postponed
#34	5	Johns Hopkins	18-3	def. McDaniel, 55-50; def. Bryn Mawr, 64-37
T#35	3	Austin	17-4	def. University of Dallas, 80-41; LOST to T#37 Trinity (Texas), 57-67; def. Schreiner, 70-41
T#35	3	Christopher Newport	16-5	def. St. Mary's (Md.), 65-55; def. Mary Washington, 62-42
T#37	2	Loras	18-4	def. Dubuque, 104-48; def. Simpson, 94-79
T#37	2	Trinity (Conn.)	18-4	def. Wesleyan, 80-76; def. Connecticut College, 64-54
T#37	2	Trinity (Texas)	18-4	def. Schreiner, 98-47; def. T#35 Austin, 67-57; def. Centenary (La.), 75-52
T#40	1	SUNY New Paltz	16-4	def. Oswego State, 79-45; def. Brockport, 69-53; def. #17 SUNY Geneseo, 73-64
T#40	1	UW-Eau Claire	13-7	LOST to UW-Whitewater, 55-68

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first

[SidelineHero]

Curious - why do we not see more news releases from the LEC in daily news releases from around the country?

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Bowdoin	22-0	02/08 vs. Connecticut College; 02/09 vs. Wesleyan
#2	608	Thomas More	24-0	IDLE
#3	567	St. Thomas	21-1	def. St. Olaf, 90-49; 02/09 vs. #26 Augsburg
#4	539	Amherst	19-2	02/08 vs. Williams; 02/09 vs. Middlebury
#5	498	Trine	21-2	def. Olivet, 88-27; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-55; 02/09 vs. Albion
#6	493	Tufts	21-2	def. T#35 Babson, 80-61; 02/10 vs. T#35 Trinity (Conn.)
#7	449	Messiah	22-1	def. Lycoming, 70-43; 02/09 vs. Albright
#8	428	St. Joseph's (Maine)	22-0	def. Emmanuel, 79-69; 02/10 vs. Maine-Fort Kent
#9	398	Mary Hardin-Baylor	20-2	02/09 vs. Concordia (Texas)
#10	386	Hope	19-3	def. Kalamazoo, 93-34; def. Calvin, 56-48; 02/09 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.)
#11	374	UW-Oshkosh	19-3	LOST to UW-Whitewater, 70-78 OT; def. UW-Platteville, 65-43; 02/09 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#12	346	Scranton	20-2	def. Moravian, 72-51; 02/09 vs. Juniata
#13	327	George Fox	18-3	02/08 vs. #22 Whitman; 02/09 vs. Whitworth
#14	308	East Texas Baptist	19-2	02/07 vs. Belhaven; 02/09 vs. Louisiana College
#15	263	Wartburg	19-3	def. Luther, 64-39; 02/09 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan
#16	228	DeSales	20-2	def. Manhattanville, 71-40; 02/09 vs. Misericordia
#17	196	Chicago	16-4	02/08 vs. Rochester; 02/10 vs. Emory
#18	177	Illinois Wesleyan	18-4	def. Millikin, 80-54; 02/09 vs. Elmhurst
#19	148	Texas-Dallas	17-4	02/07 vs. University of the Ozarks; 02/09 vs. Texas-Tyler
#20	141	DePauw	18-4	02/09 vs. Ohio Wesleyan
#21	133	Transylvania	20-2	def. Mount St. Joseph, 69-49; 02/09 vs. Defiance
#22	99	Whitman	17-4	02/08 vs. #13 George Fox; 02/09 vs. Linfield
#23	96	Gettysburg	18-3	def. Ursinus, 82-70; 02/07 vs. McDaniel; 02/09 vs. Washington College
#24	85	Wheaton (Ill.)	19-4	def. Augustana, 61-39; 02/09 vs. North Central (Ill.)
#25	50	UW-La Crosse	19-3	def. UW-River Falls, 70-51; 02/09 vs. UW-Eau Claire

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	42	Augsburg	19-3	def. Carleton, 81-58; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-68; 02/09 vs. #3 St. Thomas
#27	41	SUNY Geneseo	18-3	def. Buffalo State, 68-57; 02/09 vs. Brockport
#28	28	Emory and Henry	19-3	def. Roanoke, 67-51; 02/09 vs. Randolph
#29	17	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	19-2	def. Whittier, 56-41; 02/09 vs. Caltech
#30	13	Washington U.	15-5	02/08 vs. Emory; 02/10 vs. Rochester
#31	9	Trinity (Texas)	18-4	02/09 vs. Southwestern
#32	7	Johns Hopkins	19-3	def. Swarthmore, 76-57; 02/09 vs. Muhlenberg
#33	5	Loras	18-4	02/09 vs. Coe
#34	4	SUNY New Paltz	16-4	02/08 vs. Buffalo State; 02/09 vs. Fredonia
T#35	2	Babson	18-4	LOST to #6 Tufts, 61-80; 02/09 vs. Springfield
T#35	2	Trinity (Conn.)	18-4	02/08 vs. Bates; 02/10 vs. #6 Tufts
T#35	2	Vassar	19-2	02/08 vs. Rochester Tech; 02/09 vs. RPI

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Curious - why do we not see more news releases from the LEC in daily news releases from around the country?

Schools have to release or send them to the D3hoops.com system. If they choose not to, they won't show up.

[SidelineHero]

Curious - why do we not see more news releases from the LEC in daily news releases from around the country?

Schools have to release or send them to the D3hoops.com system. If they choose not to, they won't show up.

Okay. Thank you. I wasn't sure of how that all worked.

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah -- every Division III school can post to our sites, whether they use PrestoSports (our network provider) to host their site or not. Once there, it's a click and a copy-and-paste to post their game story on our site.

All of the news releases on our sites come from a school logging in and posting them.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Bowdoin	24-0	def. Connecticut College, 69-58; def. Wesleyan, 92-75
#2	608	Thomas More	24-0	IDLE
#3	567	St. Thomas	22-1	def. St. Olaf, 90-49; def. #26 Augsburg, 83-68
#4	539	Amherst	21-2	def. Williams, 57-38; def. Middlebury, 72-62
#5	498	Trine	22-2	def. Olivet, 88-27; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-55; def. Albion, 70-53
#6	493	Tufts	22-2	def. T#35 Babson, 80-61; def. T#35 Trinity (Conn.), 60-48
#7	449	Messiah	23-1	def. Lycoming, 70-43; def. Albright, 74-47
#8	428	St. Joseph's (Maine)	23-0	def. Emmanuel, 79-69; def. Maine-Fort Kent, 76-54
#9	398	Mary Hardin-Baylor	21-2	def. Concordia (Texas), 72-50
#10	386	Hope	20-3	def. Kalamazoo, 93-34; def. Calvin, 56-48; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 73-37
#11	374	UW-Oshkosh	20-3	LOST to UW-Whitewater, 70-78 OT; def. UW-Platteville, 65-43; def. UW-Stevens Point, 65-58
#12	346	Scranton	21-2	def. Moravian, 72-51; def. Juniata, 63-48
#13	327	George Fox	20-3	def. #22 Whitman, 61-57; def. Whitworth, 84-62
#14	308	East Texas Baptist	21-2	def. Belhaven, 66-56; def. Louisiana College, 86-53
#15	263	Wartburg	20-3	def. Luther, 64-39; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 95-56
#16	228	DeSales	21-2	def. Manhattanville, 71-40; def. Misericordia, 66-45
#17	196	Chicago	17-5	def. Rochester, 78-75; LOST to Emory, 57-60
#18	177	Illinois Wesleyan	19-4	def. Millikin, 80-54; def. Elmhurst, 83-62
#19	148	Texas-Dallas	19-4	def. University of the Ozarks, 55-34; def. Texas-Tyler, 64-45
#20	141	DePauw	19-4	def. Ohio Wesleyan, 85-55
#21	133	Transylvania	21-2	def. Mount St. Joseph, 69-49; def. Defiance, 101-51
#22	99	Whitman	18-5	LOST to #13 George Fox, 57-61; def. Linfield, 72-63
#23	96	Gettysburg	20-3	def. Ursinus, 82-70; def. McDaniel, 74-46; def. Washington College, 64-38
#24	85	Wheaton (Ill.)	20-4	def. Augustana, 61-39; def. North Central (Ill.), 68-59 2OT
#25	50	UW-La Crosse	20-3	def. UW-River Falls, 70-51; def. UW-Eau Claire, 62-50

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	42	Augsburg	19-4	def. Carleton, 81-58; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-68; LOST to #3 St. Thomas, 68-83
#27	41	SUNY Geneseo	19-3	def. Buffalo State, 68-57; def. Brockport, 68-49
#28	28	Emory and Henry	20-3	def. Roanoke, 67-51; def. Randolph, 71-49
#29	17	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	20-2	def. Whittier, 56-41; def. Caltech, 62-47
#30	13	Washington U.	16-6	LOST to Emory, 66-75; def. Rochester, 61-53
#31	9	Trinity (Texas)	19-4	def. Southwestern, 73-64
#32	7	Johns Hopkins	20-3	def. Swarthmore, 76-57; def. Muhlenberg, 76-63
#33	5	Loras	19-4	def. Coe, 64-54
#34	4	SUNY New Paltz	18-4	def. Buffalo State, 73-45; def. Fredonia, 81-53
T#35	2	Babson	19-4	LOST to #6 Tufts, 61-80; def. Springfield, 70-57
T#35	2	Trinity (Conn.)	19-5	def. Bates, 59-49; LOST to #6 Tufts, 48-60
T#35	2	Vassar	20-3	LOST to Rochester Tech, 58-72; def. RPI, 56-38

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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As a result: A lot of craziness and games to watch on any given night.

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[bballer22]

People are sleeping on the CMS women, 17 W straight. Good to see some people are paying attention.

[gordonmann]

Yeah, it's hard for them to move up right now. Ranked teams had just two losses last week and one was higher ranked George Fox beating Whitman.

[bballer22]

I see your point, no one drops so no one can move in. CMS has as much of a reason to be ranked as any of the teams 13-25. They lost opening weekend w/ out there 6'3 post player (game was also much closer than score dictates, 4 point game with 4 mins left). They also avenged there other loss. There's no reason a team w/ 2 losses at this point shouldn't be ranked.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I see your point, no one drops so no one can move in. CMS has as much of a reason to be ranked as any of the teams 13-25. They lost opening weekend w/ out there 6'3 post player (game was also much closer than score dictates, 4 point game with 4 mins left). They also avenged there other loss. There's no reason a team w/ 2 losses at this point shouldn't be ranked.

There are a lot of reasons a team with only two losses won't be ranked especially in women's basketball. I don't vote on this poll, but CMS's schedule isn't something to write home about. They have played only one team worth mentioning ... and lost by about 20 (missing player or not). They also have never lived up to their ranking when ranked in the past. While the past shouldn't necessarily be indicative of right now, it will give voter's pause when it comes to believing a weak schedule is realistic to a good team.

They have an SOS of .516 which if they hadn't played George Fox or tapped into the NJAC and NESCAC would be a lot worse. BTW - that is 181 in the country right now.

I can come up with a lot of reasons with a tough WBB Top 25 to crack into ... why I would be leery of voting for CMS.

[bballer22]

I do understand some of your reasoning, but I'd have to disagree with you on living up to there past. They only got ranked once in the past. All these teams that people love to vote for on the east coast have come out every year and have been sent home with a loss ( bowdoin, Ithaca, Middlebury, TCNJ). They also beat ranked teams every year.

I also watch Hoopsville a lot and you always talk about how you don't judge a team off one loss, especially with it being in the beginning of a year so not sure why you use that as an indicator of them not receiving votes. You also talk about how a game was lost etc which is why I brought up the game being much closer than the score dictates.

Also voters shouldnt punish them for there conference schedule not being as strong. Which they can't control as you know.  There are quite a few teams ranked right now who have either lost to lower quality teams (by 20) or haven't beaten anyone either.

I do appreciate both of your guys input and sugggest watching a CMS game online in case you haven't already.