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Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

In response to the recent discussion, William Peace is back in the report.

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1621Tufts24-0def. Middlebury, 77-54; def. Williams, 76-63
#2604Hope23-0def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-43; won at Alma, 78-46
#3546DePauw22-1def. Ohio Wesleyan, 77-56
#4518UW-Whitewater21-2won at UW-Platteville, 59-55; won at UW-Eau Claire, 57-39
#5510Bowdoin22-2won at Wesleyan, 83-50
#6471Amherst21-3won at Trinity (Conn.), 58-53; won at Connecticut College, 76-52
#7458Whitman21-2def. #18 George Fox, 70-53; def. Pacific, 72-46
#8439Transylvania22-1def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-42; won at Manchester, 87-35
#9428Wartburg20-3def. Buena Vista, 95-59; def. Simpson, 102-62
#10378Loras21-2won at Dubuque, 86-54
#11360Bethel22-1won at #19 St. Thomas, 65-49; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 82-69
#12333Baldwin Wallace21-2def. #21 John Carroll, 80-77; won at Capital, 60-52
#13320Trinity (Texas)20-3won at JWU-Denver, 82-38; won at Colorado College, 60-56
#14297Augsburg20-3def. Hamline, 78-66; won at Macalester, 107-77
#15286Oglethorpe24-1won at Berry, 62-47
#16251Scranton20-3def. Moravian, 64-57; won at Juniata, 69-57
#17217Mary Hardin-Baylor19-4won at T#36 East Texas Baptist, 70-65; won at LeTourneau, 67-64
#18190George Fox17-6LOST at #7 Whitman, 53-70; LOST at Whitworth, 69-75
#19189St. Thomas18-5LOST to #11 Bethel, 49-65; won at St. Benedict, 70-40
#20125Texas-Dallas19-4won at Belhaven, 111-66; won at Louisiana College, 71-40
#21111John Carroll19-4LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 77-80; LOST to Ohio Northern, 58-59
#2292Gettysburg20-3def. McDaniel, 71-57; LOST at Washington College, 76-77
#2381Austin20-3def. Southwestern, 68-63; def. Texas Lutheran, 68-65
#2478Chicago17-5def. Carnegie Mellon, 73-56; def. Case Western Reserve, 83-41
#2531DeSales19-4def. Stevens, 70-50; won at T#32 Misericordia, 74-46


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
T#2630Albright20-3LOST at Widener, 68-69; def. Lycoming, 82-59
T#2630Trine19-4won at #34 Albion, 66-50; def. Adrian, 86-39
#2829Messiah19-4won at Stevenson, 65-49
#2919UW-La Crosse17-6won at UW-Stout, 76-61; def. UW-Stevens Point, 79-50
#3018Haverford20-3won at Muhlenberg, 66-51; def. McDaniel, 63-44
#3114Emory16-6LOST to T#38 New York University, 50-54; def. Brandeis, 58-57
T#329Hardin-Simmons18-5LOST at Howard Payne, 73-76; won at Sul Ross State, 77-56
T#329Misericordia20-3won at Wilkes, 66-58; LOST to #25 DeSales, 46-74
#348Albion19-5LOST to T#26 Trine, 50-66; def. Calvin, 74-71
#357Catholic19-4def. Juniata, 78-66; def. Susquehanna, 82-64
T#365Benedictine21-2def. Illinois Tech, 75-31; won at Lakeland, 70-48
T#365East Texas Baptist17-6LOST to #17 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 65-70; def. Concordia (Texas), 57-52
T#384Christopher Newport20-4def. St. Mary's (Md.), 89-49; def. Salisbury, 72-68
T#384New York University18-4won at #31 Emory, 54-50; won at Rochester, 73-47
------William Peace22-3won at Salem, 70-41; def. Greensboro, 70-69


Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: dukefan1210 on February 16, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
I'm sure if it wasn't complicated they would have figured something out by now.  I'm sure academics and having a wide range of schools in the conference are a positive but when the top teams can play bench players who see limited minutes the entire game and win by 25, it seems like a red flag.

I think the academics at the Centennial schools are far close aligned than people realize. McDaniel isn't some ho-hum school, for example. And we have seen many a very-high ranking academic institution turn into powerhouses in athletics ... look no further than the NESCAC in what it does in nearly all sports.

Bryn Mawr is ... confusing. They haven't seemed to figure out what their brother at Swarthmore has figured out - or they choose not to. I am not sure if being single-sex hurts as Wellesley and Smith seem to be succeeding well as single-sex institutions.
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scottiedawg

Biggest vote gainers:
Texas-Dallas, +70
DeSales, +52
Austin, +45
Chris Newport, +31
Chicago, +29
Trine, +28
NYU, +28
Loras, +24
Messiah, +23
Baldwin Wallace, +18
Haverford, +18
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +16
Amherst, +16
Bethel, +13
Oglethorpe, +12
Wartburg, +10
Bowdoin, +10

Biggest vote losers:
George Fox, -161
St. Thomas, -78
John Carroll, -74
Gettysburg, -62
Transylvania, -30
Albright, -23
DePauw, -18
Emory, -14

Largest differences between D3hoops.com and Massey:
William Peace, -54 (54 spots lower in Massey)
Austin, -53
Catholic, -27
Scranton, -23
DeSales, -23
Gettysburg, -22
Transylvania, -18
Albright, -18
Haverford, -16
Messiah, -14
Oglethorpe, -11
Ithaca, -10
DePauw, -9

UW-LaCrosse, +18 (18 spots higher in Massey)
Trine, +12
Albion, +11
John Carroll, +9
Baldwin Wallace, +8


Teams that:
(1) receive votes in D3hoops.com poll
(2) are ranked worse in Massey than the poll, by more than 50% of their D3hoops ranking
(3) Massey SOS >= 100th
(4) NCAA SOS >= 100th


Austin
Transylvania
William Peace
Catholic
Gettysburg
Haverford
Trinity TX
Albright



Teams that:
(1) are either ranked higher in Massey than D3hoops.com, OR do not receive any votes
(2) Massey SOS =< 40
(3) NCAA SOS =< 40
(4) Massey <= 25


Baldwin-Wallace
UW-LaCrosse
Chicago
Ohio Northern


Teams in D3hoops.com top 20, whose average SOS rank (between Massey and NCAA) is >= 200
Austin
Transylvania


Among D3hoops.com teams receiving no votes, best combo of Massey ranking, and AVG SOS ranking:
Simpson, 18th, 8.50
UW-Eau Claire, 22nd, 9.00
Ohio Northern, 25th, 23.50
UW-Oshkosh, 29th, 18.00
Emory, 30th, 27.00
Luther, 31st, 26.00


VT-Alum-NOVA

ever compare d3hoops poll to WBCA as well?

Pat Coleman

Since they have so many fewer voters, it's kind of apples and oranges, especially the lower you get.
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saratoga


Watched SUNY New Paltz & Cortland tonight.
Good game that went OT.
Kind of hard to believe New Paltz isn't on some Top 25 voters radar.

Caz Bombers

Quote from: saratoga on February 18, 2020, 08:49:02 PM

Watched SUNY New Paltz & Cortland tonight.
Good game that went OT.
Kind of hard to believe New Paltz isn't on some Top 25 voters radar.

New Paltz clinched the #1 seed in the SUNYAC tournament with the win tonight; I will have to make the short drive down to check out the championship game next Saturday.

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Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1621Tufts24-002/22 vs. Wesleyan
#2604Hope24-0def. Olivet, 99-51; 02/22 vs. #23 Trine
#3528DePauw23-1won at Denison, 70-52; 02/22 at Wooster
#4525UW-Whitewater22-2def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-71; 02/22 at UW-Stout
#5520Bowdoin22-202/22 vs. Hamilton
#6487Amherst21-302/22 vs. Bates
#7464Whitman22-2def. Whitworth, 77-74 OT; 02/21 at Linfield
#8438Wartburg21-3won at #10 Loras, 79-76 OT; 02/22 at Dubuque
#9409Transylvania22-2LOST at Hanover, 57-64; 02/22 vs. Bluffton
#10402Loras21-3LOST to #8 Wartburg, 76-79 OT; 02/22 at Nebraska Wesleyan
#11373Bethel23-1def. #14 Augsburg, 71-55; 02/22 vs. St. Benedict
#12351Baldwin Wallace22-2def. Mount Union, 80-53; 02/22 at Otterbein
#13328Trinity (Texas)20-302/20 at Schreiner; 02/22 vs. Schreiner
#14304Augsburg20-4LOST at #11 Bethel, 55-71; 02/22 vs. Gustavus Adolphus
#15298Oglethorpe24-102/23 vs. Hendrix
#16256Scranton21-3won at Drew, 59-40; 02/22 vs. Goucher
#17233Mary Hardin-Baylor19-402/20 at Howard Payne; 02/22 at Sul Ross State
#18195Texas-Dallas19-402/20 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 02/22 vs. McMurry
#19126Austin20-302/21 at Centenary (La.); 02/23 at St. Thomas (Texas)
#20111St. Thomas19-5def. St. Olaf, 67-48; 02/22 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.)
#21107Chicago17-502/21 at #28 New York University; 02/23 at Brandeis
#2283DeSales20-4def. Eastern, 81-58; 02/22 at Delaware Valley
#2358Trine20-4def. Kalamazoo, 94-44; 02/22 at #2 Hope
#2452Messiah20-4def. Lebanon Valley, 54-46; 02/22 at #34 Albright
#2537John Carroll20-4won at Otterbein, 68-59; 02/22 vs. Wilmington


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2636Haverford21-3def. Swarthmore, 55-36; 02/22 at Johns Hopkins
#2735Christopher Newport21-4won at Southern Virginia, 74-64
#2832New York University18-402/21 vs. #21 Chicago; 02/23 vs. Washington U.
#2930Gettysburg20-4LOST to Dickinson, 70-78; 02/22 vs. Muhlenberg
#3029George Fox17-602/21 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/22 at Puget Sound
#3119UW-La Crosse18-6def. UW-River Falls, 71-56; 02/22 at UW-Eau Claire
#3212Benedictine22-2won at Concordia-Chicago, 78-66; 02/22 at Concordia (Wis.)
#3311Catholic20-4def. Goucher, 87-55; 02/22 at Drew
#347Albright21-3won at Alvernia, 72-57; 02/22 vs. #24 Messiah
#352Albion20-5won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-59
T#361Ithaca18-502/21 vs. Vassar; 02/22 vs. Bard
T#361William Peace22-302/22 vs. Huntingdon

scottiedawg

Because the gap between each ranking spot is not equal, this was a fun way to visualize the gaps for me:
Tufts, 1.16th place
Hope, 1.84th place
DePauw, 4.88th place
UW-Whitewater, 5.00th place
Bowdoin, 5.20th place
Amherst, 6.52th place
Whitman, 7.44th place
Wartburg, 8.48th place
Transylvania, 9.64th place
Loras, 9.62th place
Bethel, 11.08th place
Baldwin Wallace, 11.96th place
Trinity TX, 12.88th place
Augsburg, 13.84th place
Oglethorpe, 14.08th place
Scranton, 15.76th place
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 16.68th place
Texas-Dallas, 18.20th place
Austin, 20.96th place
St. Thomas, 21.56th place
Chicago, 21.72th place
DeSales, 22.68th place
Trine, 23.68th place
Messiah, 23.92th place
John Carroll, 24.52th place
Haverford, 24.56th place
Chris Newport, 24.60th place
NYU, 24.72th place
Gettysburg, 24.80th place
George Fox, 24.84th place
UW-LaCrosse, 25.24th place
Benedictine, 25.52th place
Catholic, 25.56th place
Albright, 25.72th place
Albion, 25.92th place
Ithaca, 25.96th place
William Peace, 25.96th place

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VT-Alum-NOVA

Quote from: scottiedawg on February 20, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
Because the gap between each ranking spot is not equal, this was a fun way to visualize the gaps for me:
Tufts, 1.16th place
Hope, 1.84th place
DePauw, 4.88th place
UW-Whitewater, 5.00th place
Bowdoin, 5.20th place
Amherst, 6.52th place
Whitman, 7.44th place
Wartburg, 8.48th place
Transylvania, 9.64th place
Loras, 9.62th place
Bethel, 11.08th place
Baldwin Wallace, 11.96th place
Trinity TX, 12.88th place
Augsburg, 13.84th place
Oglethorpe, 14.08th place
Scranton, 15.76th place
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 16.68th place
Texas-Dallas, 18.20th place
Austin, 20.96th place
St. Thomas, 21.56th place
Chicago, 21.72th place
DeSales, 22.68th place
Trine, 23.68th place
Messiah, 23.92th place
John Carroll, 24.52th place
Haverford, 24.56th place
Chris Newport, 24.60th place
NYU, 24.72th place
Gettysburg, 24.80th place
George Fox, 24.84th place
UW-LaCrosse, 25.24th place
Benedictine, 25.52th place
Catholic, 25.56th place
Albright, 25.72th place
Albion, 25.92th place
Ithaca, 25.96th place
William Peace, 25.96th place

If only NCAA did this same type of accuracy in their regional rankings.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
If only NCAA did this same type of accuracy in their regional rankings.


I think you are confusing what scottiedawg was doing versus what the the women's basketball committee (or any national committee) does.

He's showing how the points accumulated by the voters average out to a more specific "place" than what the traditional slots sometimes indicate. It is another tool when explaining to people why the points are sometimes a better indication of a team's movement up or down than the actual placement.

The regional rankings have nothing to do with this... even though you keep trying to shoehorn the two together for somereason.
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VT-Alum-NOVA

I was lamenting that NCAA does NOT provide how close #1 and #2 ranked teams in a region, may be with a point system of something.  maybe they have some math methodolgy for primary criteria.