Top 25 discussion

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I was lamenting that NCAA does NOT provide how close #1 and #2 ranked teams in a region, may be with a point system of something.  maybe they have some math methodolgy for primary criteria.

Because there is no point system.

And there is no math methodology for primary criteria.

There are five main criteria ... and they are to be looked at evenly with no weight given to one item or the other. Every comparison between two, three, four, or more teams is going to result in different conversations. Having a priority or a methodology would put committees in the corner on how to read the information they are given.

Thus ... there are primary and secondary criteria and they are to be looked at with no bias towards one or the other. Sure, makes it hard ... but that's how it works across the NCAA. That's also why Pat, myself, and others have spent countless hours learning how the information is read, broken down, dissected, and understood ... so we can provide that context to everyone else. It is also why we interview the committee chairs multiple times a year on how it all works.

That's how it works. It isn't cut and dry. Nor should it be.

[scottiedawg]

Of the 20 Saturday games involving Top 25 teams, 13 have a gap in Massey ratings of > 100.
Only 4 have a gap of < 40:
Trine @ Hope (Gap = 9)
Messiah @ Albright (Gap = 11)
Gust Adolphus @ Augsburg (Gap = 18)
Whitewater @ Stout (Gap = 36)

Next tier
Hamilton @ Bowdoin
Wesleyan @ Tufts
BW @ Otterbein

[gordonmann]

That's a very handy reference for games I should write about in tomorrow's recap. So thanks.

Four conference tournaments also start tomorrow which is fun-- NESCAC, CUNYAC, NAC and NJAC. The USA South has its second round of games and there's one random game in the SAA tournament which otherwise starts on Sunday.

It's the most -- wonderful time -- of the year...

[scottiedawg]

You're welcome.

Chicago @ NYU tonight should be a good game.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There is just one week left in the regular season and with it comes conference chaos.

Some conference tournaments are already underway and have seen upsets. It will be the theme of the week. With conference tournaments come upsets. Those upsets will cause teams on the NCAA tournament bubble to have their hopes burst. And there will be some Cinderellas who will capture the headlines.

Could it be any more fun?

Sunday on Hoopsville (starting at a special earlier time) we chat with a few programs who are either looking to avoid the conference chaos or be a part of it.

Plus, there is changes coming to the way we look at the current regional structure. How the process started and flowed for the last 18 or more months. And what you can expect it all to look in the future.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Devaney, Sr., NJCU women's coach
- Brad Bankston, ODAC Commissioner
- Josh Merkel, No. 2 Randolph-Macon men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
- Jeff Gard, No. 7 UW Platteville men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take 

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[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	621	Tufts	25-0	def. Wesleyan, 58-48
#2	604	Hope	25-0	def. Olivet, 99-51; def. #23 Trine, 59-52
#3	528	DePauw	24-1	won at Denison, 70-52; won at Wooster, 78-53
#4	525	UW-Whitewater	23-2	def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-71; won at UW-Stout, 65-56
#5	520	Bowdoin	23-2	def. Hamilton, 77-63
#6	487	Amherst	22-3	def. Bates, 69-44
#7	464	Whitman	23-2	def. Whitworth, 77-74 OT; won at Linfield, 74-65
#8	438	Wartburg	22-3	won at #10 Loras, 79-76 OT; won at Dubuque, 88-47
#9	409	Transylvania	23-2	LOST at Hanover, 57-64; def. Bluffton, 70-56
#10	402	Loras	22-3	LOST to #8 Wartburg, 76-79 OT; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 79-58
#11	373	Bethel	24-1	def. #14 Augsburg, 71-55; def. St. Benedict, 79-53
#12	351	Baldwin Wallace	23-2	def. Mount Union, 80-53; won at Otterbein, 68-50
#13	328	Trinity (Texas)	22-3	won at Schreiner, 87-52; def. Schreiner, 84-62
#14	304	Augsburg	21-4	LOST at #11 Bethel, 55-71; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-74
#15	298	Oglethorpe	25-1	def. Hendrix, 64-32
#16	256	Scranton	22-3	won at Drew, 59-40; def. Goucher, 64-37
#17	233	Mary Hardin-Baylor	21-4	won at Howard Payne, 77-64; won at Sul Ross State, 84-66
#18	195	Texas-Dallas	21-4	def. Hardin-Simmons, 74-56; def. McMurry, 69-57
#19	126	Austin	21-4	won at Centenary (La.), 56-44; LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 78-87
#20	111	St. Thomas	20-5	def. St. Olaf, 67-48; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 75-59
#21	107	Chicago	19-5	won at #28 New York University, 78-62; won at Brandeis, 73-45
#22	83	DeSales	21-4	def. Eastern, 81-58; won at Delaware Valley, 87-34
#23	58	Trine	20-5	def. Kalamazoo, 94-44; LOST at #2 Hope, 52-59
#24	52	Messiah	21-4	def. Lebanon Valley, 54-46; won at #34 Albright, 74-68
#25	37	John Carroll	21-4	won at Otterbein, 68-59; def. Wilmington, 77-59

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	36	Haveford	21-4	def. Swarthmore, 55-36; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 39-45
#27	35	Christopher Newport	21-4	won at Southern Virginia, 74-64
#28	32	New York University	19-5	LOST to #21 Chicago, 62-78; def. Washington U., 95-42
#29	30	Gettysburg	21-4	LOST to Dickinson, 70-78; def. Muhlenberg, 72-60
#30	29	George Fox	19-6	def. Lewis and Clark, 89-55; won at Puget Sound, 62-45
#31	19	UW-La Crosse	19-6	def. UW-River Falls, 71-56; won at UW-Eau Claire, 80-61
#32	12	Benedictine	23-2	won at Concordia-Chicago, 78-66; won at Concordia (Wis.), 78-67
#33	11	Catholic	20-5	def. Goucher, 87-55; LOST at Drew, 67-76 OT
#34	7	Albright	21-4	won at Alvernia, 72-57; LOST to #24 Messiah, 68-74
#35	2	Albion	20-5	won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-59
T#36	1	Ithaca	20-5	def. Vassar, 89-70; def. Bard, 90-45
T#36	1	William Peace	23-3	def. Huntingdon, 72-61

[Baldini]

Is it to early to start thinking about who the 16 first weekend hosts will be?

[gordonmann]

Yes. 

Seriously geography is such a big determinant that we need to see who's in the field first. There are a few obvious hosts even with losses (Tufts, Hope) but a lot depends on how the at larges fall

[scottiedawg]

Not surprising, but not a lot of good matchups coming up...
Puget Sound @ Whitman is the "best" (69 gap in Massey ratings)
St. Catherine @ St. Thomas (70)
Otterbein @ Baldwin Wallace (95)
Moravian @ Scranton (100)
Wilmington @ John Carroll (105)
Stevenson @ Messiah, (125)
Belhaven @ Mary Hardin-Baylor, (142)
Eastern @ DeSales, (160)
Concordia TX @ Texas-Dallas, (216)
Hiram @ DePauw, (254)

[scottiedawg]

Week 12 Poll

Biggest Risers:
Chicago, +47
Messiah, +38
Bethel, +37
Baldwin Wallace, +33
St. Thomas, +26
Wartburg, +23
Trinity TX, +21
Oglethorpe, +21
DeSales, +20
Scranton, +18
DePauw, +17
Texas-Dallas, +17
Trine, +15
John Carroll, +15
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +13

Biggest Non-Risers? Drainers? Lowers?:
Transylvania, -139
Augsburg, -52
Austin, -52
Loras, -46
Haverford, -31
NYU, -26
Gettysburg, -22
George Fox, -12

Chicago did have a good week--win @ NYU, win @ Brandeis
Messiah got a great win @ Albright
Bethel crushed their gauntlet after the surprise loss. They won @ St. Thomas, @ Gustavus Adolphus, vs. Augsburg, vs. St. Benedict
Baldwin Wallace kept winning and likely took some votes from Transylvania and Loras, who lost. I would've expected Bethel to gain a good bit more than BW gained.

Transylvania lost--not an awful one. @ Hanover, who is inside Massey's top 100. But definitely enough to have them lose a chunk of votes.
Augsburg lost a medium number of votes...probably very appropriate after a road loss to a good opponent. It's still a loss.
Though Trine GAINED after losing @ Hope. They definitely pushed Hope the entire game, so I love that they gained votes. Clearly shows the voters are paying close attention.
Austin with a loss, and dropped 52 votes. They are the biggest difference between Massey and D3hoops.com (tied with William Peace), 57 ranking spots apart.

[scottiedawg]

2/26 doesn't have any "on paper" good games.

2/27 has TONS:
St. Thomas @ Augsburg, (Massey Gap: 1) (Massey AVG Rating: 14.5)
Ohio Northern @ John Carroll, (Massey Gap: 10) (Massey AVG Rating: 21)
Luther @ Loras, (Massey Gap: 21) (Massey AVG Rating: 18.5)
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Whitewater, (Massey Gap: 23) (Massey AVG Rating: 16.5)
Gustavus Adolphus @ Bethel, (Massey Gap: 31) (Massey AVG Rating: 21.5)
Coe @ Wartburg, (Massey Gap: 52) (Massey AVG Rating: 29)
Puget Sound @ Whitman, (Massey Gap: 69) (Massey AVG Rating: 44.5)
Marietta @ Baldwin Wallace, (Massey Gap: 86) (Massey AVG Rating: 47)
Belhaven @ Mary Hardin-Baylor, (Massey Gap: 142) (Massey AVG Rating: 93)
Concordia TX @ Texas-Dallas, (Massey Gap: 216) (Massey AVG Rating: 126)

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

2/26 doesn't have any "on paper" good games.
...

Scottiedawg's observation is definitely consistent with the lack of red (with lots of blowout wins) in the midweek report ... although there was at least an overtime game toward the bottom of the list.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	621	Tufts	25-0	02/29 vs. Williams
#2	604	Hope	25-0	02/28 vs. Calvin
#3	545	DePauw	25-1	def. Hiram, 89-48; 02/28 vs. Ohio Wesleyan
#4	529	UW-Whitewater	23-2	02/27 vs. UW-Oshkosh
#5	522	Bowdoin	23-2	02/29 vs. #6 Amherst
#6	492	Amherst	22-3	02/29 vs. #5 Bowdoin
#7	467	Whitman	23-2	02/27 vs. Puget Sound
#8	461	Wartburg	22-3	02/27 vs. Coe
#9	410	Bethel	24-1	02/27 vs. Gustavus Adolphus
#10	384	Baldwin Wallace	24-2	def. Otterbein, 87-59; 02/27 vs. Marietta; 02/29 vs. TBA
#11	356	Loras	22-3	02/27 vs. Luther
#12	349	Trinity (Texas)	22-3	02/29 vs. TBA
#13	319	Oglethorpe	25-1	02/29 vs. Millsaps
#14	274	Scranton	23-3	def. Moravian, 74-63; 02/29 vs. T#33 Catholic
#15	270	Transylvania	23-2	02/29 vs. Bluffton
#16	252	Augsburg	21-4	02/27 vs. #20 St. Thomas
#17	246	Mary Hardin-Baylor	21-4	02/27 vs. Belhaven
#18	212	Texas-Dallas	21-4	02/27 vs. Concordia (Texas)
#19	154	Chicago	19-5	02/29 vs. Washington U.
#20	137	St. Thomas	21-5	def. St. Catherine, 68-55; 02/27 at #16 Augsburg
#21	103	DeSales	22-4	def. Eastern, 69-54; 02/29 vs. King's
#22	90	Messiah	22-4	def. Stevenson, 78-44; 02/28 vs. T#35 Albright
#23	74	Austin	21-4	02/29 vs. TBA
#24	73	Trine	20-5	02/28 vs. T#35 Albion
#25	52	John Carroll	22-4	def. Wilmington, 79-67; 02/27 vs. Ohio Northern

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	42	Christopher Newport	22-4	def. Salisbury, 76-63; 02/29 vs. York (Pa.)
#27	20	UW-La Crosse	19-6	02/27 vs. TBA; 02/27 vs. UW-Eau Claire
#28	17	George Fox	19-6	02/27 at Pacific
#29	11	Benedictine	23-2	02/28 vs. Dominican
#30	8	Gettysburg	21-4	02/28 vs. Johns Hopkins
T#31	6	Ithaca	20-5	02/29 vs. RPI
T#31	6	New York University	19-5	02/29 at Brandeis
T#33	5	Catholic	21-5	def. Elizabethtown, 77-65; 02/29 at #14 Scranton
T#33	5	Haverford	21-4	02/28 vs. Dickinson; 02/29 vs. TBD
T#35	2	Albion	21-5	def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-57; 02/28 vs. #24 Trine
T#35	2	Albright	22-4	won at Widener, 81-73 OT; 02/28 at #22 Messiah
T#35	2	SUNY New Paltz	22-3	02/28 vs. Buffalo State
T#38	1	Cortland	20-5	02/28 vs. SUNY Geneseo
T#38	1	Rowan	23-3	def. TCNJ, 82-62; 02/28 vs. Montclair State
T#38	1	William Peace	23-3	02/29 vs. Piedmont

[scottiedawg]

How They Fared (So Far)

2/26 doesn't have any "on paper" good games.
...

Scottiedawg's observation is definitely consistent with the lack of red (with lots of blowout wins) in the midweek report ... although there was at least an overtime game toward the bottom of the list.

buckle up for today!!!

[gordonmann]

It's about time.

The first couple days of Championship Week are always like waking up on Christmas morning and having the first two presents you open be socks and underwear from your Aunt Agnes.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The race for conference championships and automatic bids to the NCAA tournaments is nearly at it's peak. In less than 72 hours, we will know who have punched their tickets to the 'dance' and who sits on the edge of their seat hoping to keep playing in March.

Thursday night on Hoopsville, we not only recap what has already happened in conference tournaments across Division III, but we also look ahead at what should be an exciting final weekend of the regular season. Conference champions crowned, upsets, and those who's hopes to still playing will see their bubbles burst.

We also talk to both national committee chairs about the work left ahead of them, what they hope people understand about the process, and how they see bracketing coming together. Plus, we look ahead at the second annual Beyond Sports & WBCA Division III Women's All-Star Game and championship weekend.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Dixie Jeffers, Capital women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Karin Harvey, Montclair State women's coach & DIII Women's National Committee Chair
- Sam Atkinson, Gallaudet Assoc. Dir. of Communications & DIII Men's National Committee Chair

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