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Darryl Nester

Sorry this is so late; I'm back at my computer for the first time since just after noon. By now, I'm sure everyone has seen all the results, but for the sake of the historical record (or at least my personal sense of closure), here's the final report for 2019-20:

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1621Tufts26-1def. Williams, 69-63; LOST to #5 Bowdoin, 60-70
#2604Hope27-0def. Calvin, 78-46; def. #24 Trine, 59-55
#3545DePauw27-1def. Hiram, 89-48; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 62-38; def. Denison, 66-47
#4529UW-Whitewater23-3LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 65-81
#5522Bowdoin25-2def. (n) #6 Amherst, 74-60; won at #1 Tufts, 70-60
#6492Amherst22-4LOST to (n) #5 Bowdoin, 60-74
#7467Whitman24-3def. Puget Sound, 72-66; LOST to #28 George Fox, 55-57
#8461Wartburg24-3def. Coe, 72-57; def. #11 Loras, 67-54
#9410Bethel26-1def. Gustavus Adolphus, 70-62; def. #16 Augsburg, 72-70
#10384Baldwin Wallace26-2def. Otterbein, 87-59; def. Marietta, 72-41; def. #25 John Carroll, 80-63
#11356Loras23-4def. Luther, 74-61; LOST at #8 Wartburg, 54-67
#12349Trinity (Texas)23-4def. (n) Texas Lutheran, 87-54; LOST to (n) #23 Austin, 67-76
#13319Oglethorpe27-1def. Millsaps, 64-53; def. Rhodes, 84-67
#14274Scranton24-3def. Moravian, 74-63; def. T#33 Catholic, 63-42
#15270Transylvania25-2def. Bluffton, 74-45; def. Hanover, 91-61
#16252Augsburg22-5def. #20 St. Thomas, 73-61; LOST at #9 Bethel, 70-72
#17246Mary Hardin-Baylor24-4def. (n) Belhaven, 98-55; def. (n) East Texas Baptist, 67-50; def. (n) Hardin-Simmons, 60-58
#18212Texas-Dallas22-5def. Concordia (Texas), 65-50; LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 78-81 OT
#19154Chicago20-5def. Washington U., 76-72
#20137St. Thomas21-6def. St. Catherine, 68-55; LOST at #16 Augsburg, 61-73
#21103DeSales23-4def. Eastern, 69-54; def. King's, 78-53
#2290Messiah23-4def. Stevenson, 78-44; def. T#35 Albright, 78-69
#2374Austin23-4def. (n) Southwestern, 76-58; def. (n) #12 Trinity (Texas), 76-67
#2473Trine21-6def. (n) T#35 Albion, 75-50; LOST at #2 Hope, 55-59
#2552John Carroll23-5def. Wilmington, 79-67; def. Ohio Northern, 64-49; LOST at #10 Baldwin Wallace, 63-80


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2642Christopher Newport23-4def. Salisbury, 76-63; def. York (Pa.), 86-66
#2720UW-La Crosse19-7LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 56-59
#2817George Fox21-6won at Pacific, 56-47; won at #7 Whitman, 57-55
#2911Benedictine24-3def. Dominican, 63-60; LOST to Edgewood, 72-88
#308Gettysburg22-5def. (n) Johns Hopkins, 63-49; LOST at T#33 Haverford, 46-49
T#316Ithaca22-5def. RPI, 74-66 OT; def. Vassar, 73-71
T#316New York University20-5won at Brandeis, 91-73
T#335Catholic21-6def. Elizabethtown, 77-65; LOST at #14 Scranton, 42-63
T#335Haverford23-4def. Dickinson, 67-57; def. #30 Gettysburg, 49-46
T#352Albion21-6def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-57; LOST to (n) #24 Trine, 50-75
T#352Albright22-5won at Widener, 81-73 OT; LOST at #22 Messiah, 69-78
T#352SUNY New Paltz24-3def. Buffalo State, 78-49; def. T#38 Cortland, 63-53
T#381Cortland21-6def. (n) SUNY Geneseo, 42-33; LOST at T#35 SUNY New Paltz, 53-63
T#381Rowan24-3def. TCNJ, 82-62; def. Montclair State, 64-54
T#381William Peace23-4LOST to (n) Piedmont, 49-59

scottiedawg

#2281
Massey Ratings for each host pod, bracket quadrant, and side:
** This is to help show which pod, quadrant and side may be the most competitive.


Host, AVG Massey
UW-Whitewater, 24.25
Bethel, 32.5
Trinity TX, 36
Wartburg, 36.5
Hope, 40.25
DePauw, 41.25
Marymount, 62.5
Baldwin Wallace, 66.25
Scranton, 71.5
Transylvania, 73.25
SUNY New Paltz, 79.25
Ithaca, 87.25
Bowdoin, 89.5
Amherst, 91
SUNYIT, 97.75
Messiah, 124.5

Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 45.0625
BottomLeft, 55.875
TopRight, 65.25
TopLeft, 97.1875

Side, AVG Massey
Right, 55.15625
Left, 76.53125

Should be better now. Thanks Ron!

Ron Boerger

Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Massey Ratings for each host pod, bracket quadrant, and side:
** This is to help show which pod, quadrant and side may be the most competitive.


Host, AVG Massey
Trinity TX, 23
UW-Whitewater, 24.5
Baldwin Wallace, 33.5
Hope, 42
SUNYIT, 44
Bethel, 46
Marymount, 47.5
Wartburg, 52
DePauw, 70
Transylvania, 74.5
Amherst, 87.5
Scranton, 94.5
Bowdoin, 115
SUNY New Paltz, 122
Ithaca, 127
Messiah, 173

Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 47.875
TopRight, 63.125
BottomLeft, 66.5
TopLeft, 116.5

Side, AVG Massey
Right, 55.5
Left, 91.5

How you calculate these, scottiedawg?   The Trinity pod has UMHB (18), UTD (28), Trinity (35), Austin (63).

scottiedawg

Bad SUMIF. Google Sheet apparently doesn't take a multi column range as a sum target. Fixing.... Thanks!

scottiedawg

#2284
Pod Host, Best Team, Avg Opp Massey
Pod Host: UW-Whitewater, Best Team: UW-Whitewater, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 24.5
Pod Host: Baldwin Wallace, Best Team: Baldwin Wallace, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 33.5
Pod Host: Hope, Best Team: Hope, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 42
Pod Host: Bethel, Best Team: Bethel, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 46
Pod Host: Trinity TX, Best Team: Texas-Dallas, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 47
Pod Host: Scranton, Best Team: Chris Newport, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 48.5
Pod Host: Wartburg, Best Team: Wartburg, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 52
Pod Host: DePauw, Best Team: DePauw, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 70
Pod Host: Transylvania, Best Team: Oglethorpe, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 72
Pod Host: Marymount, Best Team: George Fox, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 77.5
Pod Host: Amherst, Best Team: Amherst, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 87.5
Pod Host: Bowdoin, Best Team: Bowdoin, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 115
Pod Host: SUNY New Paltz, Best Team: SUNY New Paltz, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 120.5
Pod Host: Ithaca, Best Team: Ithaca, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 127
Pod Host: SUNYIT, Best Team: Tufts, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 143
Pod Host: Messiah, Best Team: Messiah, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 173


This assumes that the higher ranked Massey team wins each 1st round game.

Ron Boerger

Thanks for the quick update (and all your good work on this during the year), +1  :D

scottiedawg

Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2020, 03:24:39 PM
Thanks for the quick update (and all your good work on this during the year), +1  :D

You're welcome! I plan to update these numbers after each round. We know there will be upsets!

scottiedawg

Latest Poll:

Bethel, +67
Scranton, +55
Bowdoin, +54
Oglethorpe, +53
Chicago, +49
Wartburg, +46
Messiah, +46
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +43
Austin, +42
Baldwin Wallace, +35
Chris Newport, +34
George Fox, +31  ** Assuming them with 89 is an error since that puts the total votes too high.. I adjusted George Fox to make the total votes equal 8125.
DeSales, +21
Hope, +15

Trinity TX, -98
UW-Whitewater, -96
Texas-Dallas, -90
Whitman, -89
St. Thomas, -76
Loras, -47
Tufts, -43
Augsburg, -43
John Carroll, -32
Amherst, -18
UW-LaCrosse, -12

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh



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scottiedawg

#2289
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 7.25
BottomLeft, 11.25
TopRight, 21.5
TopLeft, 27.5

Side, AVG Massey
Right, 14.375
Left, 19.375

I'll change those numbers when Massey updates.

scottiedawg

will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?

ronk


Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?

Yes

UMHB could host instead of Amherst.  I don't think that one is a done deal.
Lead Columnist for D3hoops.com
@ryanalanscott just about anywhere

VT-Alum-NOVA

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?

Yes

UMHB could host instead of Amherst.  I don't think that one is a done deal.
Us fans are pulling for this host option so we can support players live.  NCAA giving Amherst host again after 90 minutes warning this past weekend would be bad experience for players.  No way fans would even attempt plane tickets with what happened this past weekend.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh



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