Top 25 discussion

Started by Pat Coleman, February 02, 2005, 12:01:07 AM

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Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

As usual, the schedule thins out a bit in mid-December. Based on past years, I'm assuming that a new poll will be issued next Monday, and then a longer break until the next one (maybe January 3?).

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1625Hope9-012/18 at #7 Trine
#2581Whitman9-012/19 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
#3527John Carroll7-012/18 vs. Marietta
#4503Amherst7-0IDLE
#5495UW-Whitewater8-012/19 vs. Alfred
#6487Christopher Newport11-0won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58
#7480Trine8-112/18 vs. #1 Hope
#8438UW-Eau Claire9-1IDLE
#9422DePauw9-012/19 vs. #26 Messiah
#10402Simpson7-1IDLE
#11369Transylvania8-0IDLE
#12335Bowdoin9-1IDLE
#13334Wartburg7-112/19 at Chapman
#14295Tufts7-1IDLE
#15265New York University9-0IDLE
#16249Baldwin Wallace6-112/18 at Otterbein
#17222East Texas Baptist7-212/16 vs. Sul Ross State; 12/18 vs. Howard Payne
#18205Texas-Dallas5-112/16 at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 12/18 at Concordia (Texas)
#19180Gettysburg7-1IDLE
#20105Hardin-Simmons8-212/16 vs. University of the Ozarks
#2199St. John Fisher8-0IDLE
#2278Bates7-1won at Husson, 65-48
#2376UW-Oshkosh7-2IDLE
#2467Wheaton (Ill.)9-2IDLE
#2558Springfield10-0IDLE


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2648Messiah7-212/19 vs. #9 DePauw
#2738Wisconsin Lutheran8-012/19 at Whittier
#2835Smith8-1IDLE
#2918Scranton6-2IDLE
#3016Bethany Lutheran7-3LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; 12/18 vs. UW-Stout
#3115Mary Hardin-Baylor5-212/16 vs. #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/18 vs. LeTourneau
T#3210Catholic7-112/19 vs. William Smith
T#3210York (Pa.)9-1won at Widener, 60-54; 12/19 vs. St. Petersburg Tournament
#349St. Lawrence8-0IDLE
#356Trinity (Texas)4-212/17 at Austin; 12/19 at Centenary (La.)
T#365Albion8-112/18 at Adrian
T#365Illinois Wesleyan5-4def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; 12/18 vs. Chicago
#384Rhodes8-2IDLE
T#393DeSales6-3IDLE
T#393Roanoke8-0IDLE
T#411Augsburg6-3IDLE
T#411Mary Washington9-1won at Averett, 72-43
T#411Roger Williams8-0IDLE

Jester1390

Not saying they should be ranked  but i think they should get a vote if IWU is getting votes.  Rose-Hulman beat IWU  lost to North Park on their home court  and Depauw neutral court each by 10 but games were closer then that.  They do have a loss against berea in the first game but had star players out but should have been a win. They lost to Transylvania by 7 at their place in a game down to the wire. Since then they have blown out the  pre season #2 and #3 teams in the conference and they are getting back Noas Igehon who had quit to concentrate on track but  now will be back  and she was all conference  as a freshman and is the best athlete in HCAC.

So 5-4 you say ehhhh  but they can play with anyone in the country and give them a run at least up to number 5 

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CNU85

Massey did move R-H up 37 spots...up to 98.

Jester1390

oh dutch just sit on your perch at the top of the mountain

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 02:07:46 PM
oh dutch just sit on your perch at the top of the mountain

It's not a perch, and my comments have nothing to do with my favorite teams performance or ranking.  I was merely commenting on your post, and in IMHO RH has no business being ranked.  You said:

Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
Not saying they should be ranked  but i think they should get a vote

Well the only way to get a vote is for one of the voters to rank them as one of the top 25 teams in the country. To this point in the season they are simply not good enough for that.  You also gave various reasons to "lessen their losses":

Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
lost to North Park on their home court  and Depauw neutral court each by 10 but games were closer then that.  They do have a loss against berea in the first game but had star players out but should have been a win. They lost to Transylvania by 7 at their place in a game down to the wire.
Sorry, but those simply come across as excuses, which many other teams don't have to make.  Keep in mind there are 19 undefeated teams in D3, and only 11 of them are in the top 25, 4 of the undefeateds are not getting a single vote (not saying they should). 

Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
So 5-4 you say ehhhh  but they can play with anyone in the country and give them a run at least up to number 5 

So can you clairfy this - are you saying that RH is as good as anyone ranked 6 or lower?
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Jester1390

Im saying they can play they have already played more high ranked teams at the time of play then most teams. i am sure you have not seen a game of engineers but their building of their season is accelerating see what i did there. i just said if IWU is getting votes then rose is worthy of one. That's all. 

Strength of schedule Hope 198 beating up on the poor of course that changes with a win against Trine   Rose is 94 and that is with playing Earlham who is in the 300 without that they would be higher so yea I'm saying bring your ass lol..


simpson with the toughest schedule so far

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Mind blowing people think a 5-4 team should be in the Top 25. This isn't the coaches' polls in soccer and lacrosse ... which is embarrassing when they do that stuff.

Great, a tough schedule is being played and they have been tough in some of those games .. but at some point you can't be winning every game you lose. You have to show you can BEAT one of those teams you gave all the excuses for losing against. Win two of those, be 7-2, and it is a VERY different conversation. Teams don't earn rankings based on "what could have been" scenarios.
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Jester1390

a little sensitive up in michigan. The perch wasnt a insult man you guys are sensitive on here, it was a joke alluding to Hopes place on the mountain . Everyone has a right to their opinion maybe hope hope blows rose out by 40 i dont know maybe they lose. rose has the height to fight against your tall trees . Rose is just the little engine that could lol see what i did there and they have been STEM rolling the competition. Things can happen but for now choo-choo

Jester1390

Ahhh  Dave IWU is 5-4 and has votes and we beat them but thanks for your insight Ill place it right next to my magic 8 ball

Jester1390

again all isaid if iwu gets 4 votes then rose is worthy of one vote not top 25 if you are a idiot voting iwu top 25 then you shouldn't have a vote i was talking about rose being in the 40's its all good

CNU85

that would be "an" idiot   ;D

Flying Dutch Fan

#2353
Those are some nice Rose colored glasses you have jester   :P

Might help you to understand that any school with a vote in the ORV category means that one (or more) of the voters ranked them in the top 25.  There is no ability to rank a school 26th or 40th or anything other than 1-25.  From the Top 25 page:

The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly. Points are awarded on a 25-24-23-22-etc. basis.

For example:

Augsburg has 1 vote - that means one voter ranked them 25th which is 1 point
Hope has 625 votes - that means all 25 voters ranked them 1st which is 25 points (25 voters x 25 points = 625)
IWU has 5 votes - could mean 5 voters ranked them 25th (5 x 1) or it could mean someone ranked them 24th (2 points) and someone ranked them 23rd (3 points) so 2 +3 = 5.  Obviously there are lots of combinations possible. 
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The other thing people don't realize is that things could look very different if voters did rank 26-30. There's sometimes a team almost every voter has just outside the poll and, if given one more slot would shoot up the polls.

It's just not mathematically or realistically appropriate to label teams with numbers after 25.
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