Top 25 discussion

Started by Pat Coleman, February 02, 2005, 12:01:07 AM

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deiscanton

FYI, Dave McHugh revealed on Hoopsvile last night that the next Top 25 poll will be released on January 3, 2022.

No new Top 25 poll will be released on Monday, December 20, 2021, and on Monday, December 27, 2021.

Jester1390

Lol Good one dutch  that's what im talking about good ol fashion ribbing. I just want to reiterate. If Iwu is getting a top 25 vote at 5-4  then yes rose could get a vote at 5-4 with a much harder schedule and a head to head win  on IWU court.   Not saying either of them should be in the top 25 but if you are going to make a vote for IWU  you certanily could replace it with a vote for Rose or another team.   Im just happy for the girls that they get to have a revenge tour this year and next

Flying Dutch Fan

I'm kinda bored this afternoon, so what the heck, dug into IWU and RH records to see if there is "justification" for IWU getting votes when RH is not (obviously 5 votes is insignificant, but I got curious).

Considering they both have a 5-4 record, I think it boils down to this:

1 - SOS: IWU is 39th, RH is 96th (according to Massey).
2 - Wins: SOS is important, but then it's about who did you beat. 
   - IWU five victories over teams with a 22-23 record.  Two teams with winning records - 5-3 Carroll and 9-2 Wheaton. 
   - RH with five victories over teams with a 13-29 record.  One team with a winning record- 5-4 IWU
3 - The IWU win over Wheaton carrys more weight than other win by either team, since Wheaton is Top 25 (16 when IWU beat them, currently 24th)
4 - Yes RH beat IWU head to head, but it was an OT game so I suspect voters could percieve that as a draw - unless everything else were equal, which it is not

That's enough, I'm no longer bored and my curiosity is sated
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Jester1390

Good enough I stand corrected

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: Jester1390 on December 17, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Good enough I stand corrected

Honestly wasn't trying to correct you, just providing a different perspective
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"Sports are kind of like passion and that's temporary in many cases, but academics - that's like true love and that's enduring." 
John Wooden

"Blame FDF.  That's the default.  Always blame FDF."
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How They Fared (So Far)

Results from the past week, plus upcoming games through January 2 (when the next poll will take place).

Note there are quite a few incomplete results for today, but I don't plan to update this post.

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1625Hope10-0won at #7 Trine, 70-61; 12/28 vs. Illinois College; 12/29 vs. Central
#2581Whitman9-012/19 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 12/20 at UC Santa Cruz
#3527John Carroll7-1LOST to Marietta, 80-81; 12/20 at #11 Transylvania; 12/21 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 12/31 at Hiram
#4503Amherst7-012/28 vs. Whittier; 12/29 vs. Occidental; 12/31 at Chapman; 01/01 at Redlands
#5495UW-Whitewater8-012/19 vs. Alfred; 12/20 vs. Centre; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest; 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/01 at Carroll
#6487Christopher Newport11-0won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 at T#39 Roanoke
#7480Trine8-2LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; 12/22 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace; 12/29 vs. Penn State-Behrend; 12/30 vs. Williams
#8438UW-Eau Claire9-112/29 vs. Southwestern; 12/30 at #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/31 at Austin
#9422DePauw9-012/19 vs. #26 Messiah; 12/20 vs. LaGrange; 12/29 vs. MSOE; 12/30 vs. Piedmont or Franklin
#10402Simpson7-112/20 vs. Alfred; 12/21 vs. Westminster (Mo.); 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 vs. #30 Bethany Lutheran
#11369Transylvania8-012/20 vs. #3 John Carroll; 12/21 vs. Capital; 01/02 at Manchester
#12335Bowdoin9-101/01 vs. Mass-Boston; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime
#13334Wartburg7-112/19 at Chapman; 12/20 at Redlands; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#14295Tufts7-112/29 at UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#15265New York University9-012/30 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary
#16249Baldwin Wallace7-1won at Otterbein, 65-51; 12/22 at #7 Trine; 12/29 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #29 Scranton
#17222East Texas Baptist9-2def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33
#18205Texas-Dallas6-2LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin;
12/30 vs. #8 UW-Eau Claire
#19180Gettysburg7-112/29 vs. T#32 Catholic; 12/30 vs. TBD
#20105Hardin-Simmons9-2def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47
#2199St. John Fisher8-0IDLE
#2278Bates7-1won at Husson, 65-48; 12/30 at WPI; 12/31 vs. TBD
#2376UW-Oshkosh7-212/20 vs. Ripon; 12/21 at Lawrence; 12/29 vs. Dubuque; 12/30 vs. Carthage
#2467Wheaton (Ill.)9-212/30 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/31 at Chicago
#2558Springfield10-001/01 vs. Skidmore; 01/02 vs. Union


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2648Messiah7-212/19 vs. #9 DePauw; 12/20 vs. Bridgewater State
#2738Wisconsin Lutheran8-012/19 at Whittier; 12/20 at Chapman
#2835Smith8-112/30 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. TBD
#2918Scranton6-212/21 vs. Dickinson; 12/22 vs. TBD; 12/29 vs. Colby; 12/30 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace
#3016Bethany Lutheran7-4LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; 12/29 at Loras; 12/30 vs. #10 Simpson
#3115Mary Hardin-Baylor7-2def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; 12/20 vs. Schreiner
T#3210Catholic7-112/19 vs. William Smith; 12/20 vs. Pfeiffer; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#3210York (Pa.)9-1won at Widener, 60-54; 12/19 vs. Berry; 12/20 vs. Loras
#349St. Lawrence8-012/31 vs. SUNY-Canton
#356Trinity (Texas)5-2won at Austin, 70-58; 12/19 at Centenary (La.); 12/28 vs. Worcester State; 12/30 vs. LeTourneau;
01/02 vs. Howard Payne
T#365Albion9-1won at Adrian, 89-58; 12/20 vs. Franklin; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#365Illinois Wesleyan5-5def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; 12/30 at Pacific; 12/31 at George Fox;
01/02 at Carthage
#384Rhodes8-2IDLE
T#393DeSales6-312/20 vs. Cabrini; 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon
T#393Roanoke8-012/29 vs. Elizabethtown; 12/30 vs. #6 Christopher Newport; 01/02 vs. Hood
T#411Augsburg6-3IDLE
T#411Mary Washington9-1won at Averett, 72-43; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Goucher
T#411Roger Williams8-012/30 vs. Susquehanna; 12/31 vs. TBD

Jester1390

#2361
Wow according to dave I'm a moron to ask why a 5-4 team can't make a statement on why the feel a team should get one vote.

I was totally wrong the key to getting a vote is for you to have your record get worse.  You need to be 5-5 to get a vote.  Not just one vote but 5 of them wow  why would anyone question


Didn't realize  he posted a older poll but updated records. this will only be a valid  point if they  are still in the next poll

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CNU85

Rose-Hulman got 1 vote!

Oh wait - that was football! But hey - it's a vote!!!  ;D

Jester1390

lol i cant believe they can find that many smart football players that can play.  one of them just made 3rd team all American.

Jester1390

after first quarter Transylvania absolutely killing john carroll 23-5

Jester1390

i was asked are you saying rose could play top 5 teams not only after watching this john caroll game not only could they play with them they could beat them.

Jester1390

john carroll responds down 39-28

Jester1390

unbelievable bad call on the john carroll 5th foul

Jester1390

Transy enjoying the home court as they always seem to do in fouls  now jcu is fouling at the end but still great divide . Transy wins 83-75    Transy 27-34   JCU 11-13 free throws