Top 25 discussion

[deiscanton]

FYI, Dave McHugh revealed on Hoopsvile last night that the next Top 25 poll will be released on January 3, 2022.

No new Top 25 poll will be released on Monday, December 20, 2021, and on Monday, December 27, 2021.

[Jester1390]

Lol Good one dutch  that's what im talking about good ol fashion ribbing. I just want to reiterate. If Iwu is getting a top 25 vote at 5-4  then yes rose could get a vote at 5-4 with a much harder schedule and a head to head win  on IWU court.   Not saying either of them should be in the top 25 but if you are going to make a vote for IWU  you certanily could replace it with a vote for Rose or another team.   Im just happy for the girls that they get to have a revenge tour this year and next

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I'm kinda bored this afternoon, so what the heck, dug into IWU and RH records to see if there is "justification" for IWU getting votes when RH is not (obviously 5 votes is insignificant, but I got curious).

Considering they both have a 5-4 record, I think it boils down to this:

1 - SOS: IWU is 39th, RH is 96th (according to Massey).
2 - Wins: SOS is important, but then it's about who did you beat. 
   - IWU five victories over teams with a 22-23 record.  Two teams with winning records - 5-3 Carroll and 9-2 Wheaton. 
   - RH with five victories over teams with a 13-29 record.  One team with a winning record- 5-4 IWU
3 - The IWU win over Wheaton carrys more weight than other win by either team, since Wheaton is Top 25 (16 when IWU beat them, currently 24th)
4 - Yes RH beat IWU head to head, but it was an OT game so I suspect voters could percieve that as a draw - unless everything else were equal, which it is not

That's enough, I'm no longer bored and my curiosity is sated

[Jester1390]

Good enough I stand corrected

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Good enough I stand corrected

Honestly wasn't trying to correct you, just providing a different perspective

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Results from the past week, plus upcoming games through January 2 (when the next poll will take place).

Note there are quite a few incomplete results for today, but I don't plan to update this post.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	10-0	won at #7 Trine, 70-61; 12/28 vs. Illinois College; 12/29 vs. Central
#2	581	Whitman	9-0	12/19 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 12/20 at UC Santa Cruz
#3	527	John Carroll	7-1	LOST to Marietta, 80-81; 12/20 at #11 Transylvania; 12/21 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 12/31 at Hiram
#4	503	Amherst	7-0	12/28 vs. Whittier; 12/29 vs. Occidental; 12/31 at Chapman; 01/01 at Redlands
#5	495	UW-Whitewater	8-0	12/19 vs. Alfred; 12/20 vs. Centre; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest; 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/01 at Carroll
#6	487	Christopher Newport	11-0	won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 at T#39 Roanoke
#7	480	Trine	8-2	LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; 12/22 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace; 12/29 vs. Penn State-Behrend; 12/30 vs. Williams
#8	438	UW-Eau Claire	9-1	12/29 vs. Southwestern; 12/30 at #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/31 at Austin
#9	422	DePauw	9-0	12/19 vs. #26 Messiah; 12/20 vs. LaGrange; 12/29 vs. MSOE; 12/30 vs. Piedmont or Franklin
#10	402	Simpson	7-1	12/20 vs. Alfred; 12/21 vs. Westminster (Mo.); 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 vs. #30 Bethany Lutheran
#11	369	Transylvania	8-0	12/20 vs. #3 John Carroll; 12/21 vs. Capital; 01/02 at Manchester
#12	335	Bowdoin	9-1	01/01 vs. Mass-Boston; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime
#13	334	Wartburg	7-1	12/19 at Chapman; 12/20 at Redlands; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#14	295	Tufts	7-1	12/29 at UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#15	265	New York University	9-0	12/30 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary
#16	249	Baldwin Wallace	7-1	won at Otterbein, 65-51; 12/22 at #7 Trine; 12/29 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #29 Scranton
#17	222	East Texas Baptist	9-2	def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33
#18	205	Texas-Dallas	6-2	LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin; 12/30 vs. #8 UW-Eau Claire
#19	180	Gettysburg	7-1	12/29 vs. T#32 Catholic; 12/30 vs. TBD
#20	105	Hardin-Simmons	9-2	def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47
#21	99	St. John Fisher	8-0	IDLE
#22	78	Bates	7-1	won at Husson, 65-48; 12/30 at WPI; 12/31 vs. TBD
#23	76	UW-Oshkosh	7-2	12/20 vs. Ripon; 12/21 at Lawrence; 12/29 vs. Dubuque; 12/30 vs. Carthage
#24	67	Wheaton (Ill.)	9-2	12/30 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/31 at Chicago
#25	58	Springfield	10-0	01/01 vs. Skidmore; 01/02 vs. Union

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Messiah	7-2	12/19 vs. #9 DePauw; 12/20 vs. Bridgewater State
#27	38	Wisconsin Lutheran	8-0	12/19 at Whittier; 12/20 at Chapman
#28	35	Smith	8-1	12/30 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. TBD
#29	18	Scranton	6-2	12/21 vs. Dickinson; 12/22 vs. TBD; 12/29 vs. Colby; 12/30 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace
#30	16	Bethany Lutheran	7-4	LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; 12/29 at Loras; 12/30 vs. #10 Simpson
#31	15	Mary Hardin-Baylor	7-2	def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; 12/20 vs. Schreiner
T#32	10	Catholic	7-1	12/19 vs. William Smith; 12/20 vs. Pfeiffer; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#32	10	York (Pa.)	9-1	won at Widener, 60-54; 12/19 vs. Berry; 12/20 vs. Loras
#34	9	St. Lawrence	8-0	12/31 vs. SUNY-Canton
#35	6	Trinity (Texas)	5-2	won at Austin, 70-58; 12/19 at Centenary (La.); 12/28 vs. Worcester State; 12/30 vs. LeTourneau; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne
T#36	5	Albion	9-1	won at Adrian, 89-58; 12/20 vs. Franklin; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#36	5	Illinois Wesleyan	5-5	def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; 12/30 at Pacific; 12/31 at George Fox; 01/02 at Carthage
#38	4	Rhodes	8-2	IDLE
T#39	3	DeSales	6-3	12/20 vs. Cabrini; 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon
T#39	3	Roanoke	8-0	12/29 vs. Elizabethtown; 12/30 vs. #6 Christopher Newport; 01/02 vs. Hood
T#41	1	Augsburg	6-3	IDLE
T#41	1	Mary Washington	9-1	won at Averett, 72-43; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Goucher
T#41	1	Roger Williams	8-0	12/30 vs. Susquehanna; 12/31 vs. TBD

[Jester1390]

Wow according to dave I'm a moron to ask why a 5-4 team can't make a statement on why the feel a team should get one vote.

I was totally wrong the key to getting a vote is for you to have your record get worse.  You need to be 5-5 to get a vote.  Not just one vote but 5 of them wow  why would anyone question


Didn't realize  he posted a older poll but updated records. this will only be a valid  point if they  are still in the next poll

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[CNU85]

Rose-Hulman got 1 vote!

Oh wait - that was football! But hey - it's a vote!!! 

[Jester1390]

lol i cant believe they can find that many smart football players that can play.  one of them just made 3rd team all American.

[Jester1390]

after first quarter Transylvania absolutely killing john carroll 23-5

[Jester1390]

i was asked are you saying rose could play top 5 teams not only after watching this john caroll game not only could they play with them they could beat them.

[Jester1390]

john carroll responds down 39-28

[Jester1390]

unbelievable bad call on the john carroll 5th foul

[Jester1390]

Transy enjoying the home court as they always seem to do in fouls  now jcu is fouling at the end but still great divide . Transy wins 83-75    Transy 27-34   JCU 11-13 free throws