Top 25 discussion

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

No games for a couple more days, but here's how things currently stand with one more week before the next poll.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	10-0	won at #7 Trine, 70-61; 12/28 vs. Illinois College; 12/29 vs. Central
#2	581	Whitman	10-1	def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-50; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 63-72
#3	527	John Carroll	8-2	LOST to Marietta, 80-81; LOST at #11 Transylvania, 75-83; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 67-64; 12/31 at Hiram
#4	503	Amherst	7-0	12/28 vs. Whittier; 12/29 vs. Occidental; 12/31 at Chapman; 01/01 at Redlands
#5	495	UW-Whitewater	10-0	def. Alfred, 91-50; def. (n) Centre, 94-38; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest; 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/01 at Carroll
#6	487	Christopher Newport	11-0	won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 at T#39 Roanoke
#7	480	Trine	9-2	LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; def. #16 Baldwin Wallace, 64-45; 12/29 vs. Penn State-Behrend; 12/30 vs. Williams
#8	438	UW-Eau Claire	9-1	12/29 vs. Southwestern; 12/30 at #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/31 at Austin
#9	422	DePauw	10-1	LOST to (n) #26 Messiah, 45-54; def. (n) LaGrange, 84-47; 12/29 vs. MSOE; 12/30 vs. Piedmont or Franklin
#10	402	Simpson	9-1	won at Alfred, 94-57; def. Westminster (Mo.), 99-66; 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 vs. #30 Bethany Lutheran
#11	369	Transylvania	10-0	def. #3 John Carroll, 83-75; def. Capital, 78-38; 01/02 at Manchester
#12	335	Bowdoin	9-1	01/01 vs. Mass-Boston; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime
#13	334	Wartburg	8-2	won at Chapman, 70-60; LOST at Redlands, 65-72; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#14	295	Tufts	7-1	12/29 at UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#15	265	New York University	9-0	12/30 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary
#16	249	Baldwin Wallace	7-2	won at Otterbein, 65-51; LOST at #7 Trine, 45-64; 12/29 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #29 Scranton
#17	222	East Texas Baptist	9-2	def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33
#18	205	Texas-Dallas	6-2	LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin; 12/30 vs. #8 UW-Eau Claire
#19	180	Gettysburg	7-1	12/29 vs. T#32 Catholic; 12/30 vs. TBD
#20	105	Hardin-Simmons	9-2	def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47
#21	99	St. John Fisher	8-0	IDLE
#22	78	Bates	7-1	won at Husson, 65-48; 12/30 at WPI; 12/31 vs. TBD
#23	76	UW-Oshkosh	9-2	def. Ripon, 87-37; won at Lawrence, 66-27; 12/29 vs. Dubuque; 12/30 vs. Carthage
#24	67	Wheaton (Ill.)	9-2	12/30 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/31 at Chicago
#25	58	Springfield	10-0	01/01 vs. Skidmore; 01/02 vs. Union

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Messiah	9-2	def. (n) #9 DePauw, 54-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 76-58
#27	38	Wisconsin Lutheran	8-0	12/19 at Whittier cancelled; 12/20 at Chapman cancelled
#28	35	Smith	8-1	12/30 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. TBD
#29	18	Scranton	8-2	def. Dickinson, 53-44; def. TCNJ, 60-47; 12/28 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace
#30	16	Bethany Lutheran	7-4	LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; 12/29 at Loras; 12/30 vs. #10 Simpson
#31	15	Mary Hardin-Baylor	8-2	def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; def. Schreiner, 88-71
T#32	10	Catholic	9-1	def. William Smith, 87-69; def. Pfeiffer, 71-43; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#32	10	York (Pa.)	10-2	won at Widener, 60-54; def. (n) Berry, 58-50; LOST to (n) Loras, 57-58
#34	9	St. Lawrence	8-0	12/31 vs. SUNY-Canton
#35	6	Trinity (Texas)	6-2	won at Austin, 70-58; won at Centenary (La.), 83-50; 12/28 vs. Worcester State; 12/30 vs. LeTourneau; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne
T#36	5	Albion	10-1	won at Adrian, 89-58; def. Franklin, 71-40; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#36	5	Illinois Wesleyan	5-5	def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; 12/30 at Pacific; 12/31 at George Fox; 01/02 at Carthage
#38	4	Rhodes	8-2	IDLE
T#39	3	DeSales	7-3	def. Cabrini, 67-46; 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon
T#39	3	Roanoke	8-0	12/29 vs. Elizabethtown; 12/30 vs. #6 Christopher Newport; 01/02 vs. Hood
T#41	1	Augsburg	6-3	IDLE
T#41	1	Mary Washington	9-1	won at Averett, 72-43; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Goucher
T#41	1	Roger Williams	8-0	12/30 vs. Susquehanna; 12/31 vs. TBD

[ronk]

 Deiscanton reported earlier today(nescac board) that Amherst cancelled their western trip so theywon't be playing those4 games.

[Darryl Nester]

Deiscanton reported earlier today(nescac board) that Amherst cancelled their western trip so theywon't be playing those4 games.

Thanks, ronk, I'll make sure that's updated in the final report.

[monsoon]

Today's Illinois College / Hope game in Orlando has been rescheduled for January 6 at Hope.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

"Postponed" in this report sometimes means "cancelled." There were so many that I decided not to sort out those details.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	11-0	won at #7 Trine, 70-61; def. Central, 98-42
#2	581	Whitman	10-1	def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-50; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 63-72
#3	527	John Carroll	8-2	LOST to Marietta, 80-81; LOST at #11 Transylvania, 75-83; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 67-64; 12/31 at Hiram postponed
#4	503	Amherst	7-0	12/28 vs. Whittier postponed; 12/29 vs. Occidental postponed; 12/31 at Chapman postponed; 01/02 vs. New Jersey City postponed
#5	495	UW-Whitewater	11-1	def. Alfred, 91-50; def. (n) Centre, 94-38; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest postponed; def. Edgewood, 79-51; LOST at Carroll, 62-71
#6	487	Christopher Newport	13-0	won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; def. (n) Lynchburg, 69-60; won at T#39 Roanoke, 101-70
#7	480	Trine	10-2	LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; def. #16 Baldwin Wallace, 64-45; def. (n) Penn State-Behrend, 77-52; 12/30 vs. Williams postponed
#8	438	UW-Eau Claire	11-2	12/29 vs. Southwestern postponed; LOST to (n) Calvin, 49-61; won at #18 Texas-Dallas, 57-51; won at Austin, 69-45
#9	422	DePauw	11-2	LOST to (n) #26 Messiah, 45-54; def. (n) LaGrange, 84-47; def. MSOE, 68-31; LOST to Piedmont, 74-75 OT
#10	402	Simpson	11-1	won at Alfred, 94-57; def. Westminster (Mo.), 99-66; def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 85-82; def. (n) #30 Bethany Lutheran, 89-76
#11	369	Transylvania	11-0	def. #3 John Carroll, 83-75; def. Capital, 78-38; won at Manchester, 1-0
#12	335	Bowdoin	10-2	01/01 vs. Mass-Boston postponed; LOST to St. Joseph's (Maine), 55-60; def. RPI, 73-53; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime postponed
#13	334	Wartburg	8-2	won at Chapman, 70-60; LOST at Redlands, 65-72; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls postponed; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point postponed
#14	295	Tufts	8-1	won at UC Santa Cruz, 75-47; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran postponed
#15	265	New York University	9-0	12/30 at Baruch postponed; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary postponed
#16	249	Baldwin Wallace	7-2	won at Otterbein, 65-51; LOST at #7 Trine, 45-64; 12/29 vs. Albright postponed
#17	222	East Texas Baptist	9-2	def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33
#18	205	Texas-Dallas	6-3	LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin postponed; LOST to #8 UW-Eau Claire, 51-57
#19	180	Gettysburg	7-2	12/29 vs. T#32 Catholic postponed; 12/30 vs. TBD postponed; LOST to (n) T#41 Mary Washington, 35-55
#20	105	Hardin-Simmons	9-2	def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47
#21	99	St. John Fisher	8-0	IDLE
#22	78	Bates	7-3	won at Husson, 65-48; LOST at WPI, 46-48; LOST to (n) Susquehanna, 67-72
#23	76	UW-Oshkosh	11-2	def. Ripon, 87-37; won at Lawrence, 66-27; def. (n) Dubuque, 60-36; def. (n) Carthage, 67-40
#24	67	Wheaton (Ill.)	10-2	def. Concordia (Wis.), 59-51; 12/31 at Chicago postponed
#25	58	Springfield	12-0	def. Eastern Connecticut, 82-54; 01/01 vs. Skidmore postponed; def. Union, 64-56

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Messiah	9-2	def. (n) #9 DePauw, 54-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 76-58
#27	38	Wisconsin Lutheran	8-0	12/19 at Whittier postponed; 12/20 at Chapman postponed
#28	35	Smith	9-1	def. SUNY New Paltz, 62-54
#29	18	Scranton	8-2	def. Dickinson, 53-44; def. TCNJ, 60-47; 12/30 at Albright postponed
#30	16	Bethany Lutheran	7-6	LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; LOST at Loras, 78-94; LOST to (n) #10 Simpson, 76-89
#31	15	Mary Hardin-Baylor	8-2	def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; def. Schreiner, 88-71
T#32	10	Catholic	9-1	def. William Smith, 87-69; def. Pfeiffer, 71-43; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg postponed; 12/30 vs. TBA postponed
T#32	10	York (Pa.)	10-2	won at Widener, 60-54; def. (n) Berry, 58-50; LOST to (n) Loras, 57-58
#34	9	St. Lawrence	9-0	def. SUNY-Canton, 64-44
#35	6	Trinity (Texas)	8-2	won at Austin, 70-58; won at Centenary (La.), 83-50; def. Worcester State, 76-69; def. LeTourneau, 75-57; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne postponed
T#36	5	Albion	11-2	won at Adrian, 89-58; def. Franklin, 71-40; def. (n) Kenyon, 80-61; LOST at Otterbein, 55-67
T#36	5	Illinois Wesleyan	6-6	def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; won at George Fox, 65-61; LOST at Pacific, 65-71
#38	4	Rhodes	8-2	IDLE
T#39	3	DeSales	7-3	def. Cabrini, 67-46
T#39	3	Roanoke	9-2	LOST to Elizabethtown, 63-78; LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 70-101; def. Hood, 84-41
T#41	1	Augsburg	6-3	IDLE
T#41	1	Mary Washington	12-1	won at Averett, 72-43; def. (n) Misericordia, 68-52; won at Montclair State, 56-44; def. (n) #19 Gettysburg, 55-35
T#41	1	Roger Williams	8-0	IDLE

[Riley Zayas]

How They Fared (Complete)

"Postponed" in this report sometimes means "cancelled." There were so many that I decided not to sort out those details.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Hope	11-0	won at #7 Trine, 70-61; def. Central, 98-42
#2	581	Whitman	10-1	def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-50; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 63-72
#3	527	John Carroll	8-2	LOST to Marietta, 80-81; LOST at #11 Transylvania, 75-83; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 67-64; 12/31 at Hiram postponed
#4	503	Amherst	7-0	12/28 vs. Whittier postponed; 12/29 vs. Occidental postponed; 12/31 at Chapman postponed; 01/02 vs. New Jersey City postponed
#5	495	UW-Whitewater	11-1	def. Alfred, 91-50; def. (n) Centre, 94-38; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest postponed; def. Edgewood, 79-51; LOST at Carroll, 62-71
#6	487	Christopher Newport	13-0	won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; def. (n) Lynchburg, 69-60; won at T#39 Roanoke, 101-70
#7	480	Trine	10-2	LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; def. #16 Baldwin Wallace, 64-45; def. (n) Penn State-Behrend, 77-52; 12/30 vs. Williams postponed
#8	438	UW-Eau Claire	11-2	12/29 vs. Southwestern postponed; LOST to (n) Calvin, 49-61; won at #18 Texas-Dallas, 57-51; won at Austin, 69-45
#9	422	DePauw	11-2	LOST to (n) #26 Messiah, 45-54; def. (n) LaGrange, 84-47; def. MSOE, 68-31; LOST to Piedmont, 74-75 OT
#10	402	Simpson	11-1	won at Alfred, 94-57; def. Westminster (Mo.), 99-66; def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 85-82; def. (n) #30 Bethany Lutheran, 89-76
#11	369	Transylvania	11-0	def. #3 John Carroll, 83-75; def. Capital, 78-38; won at Manchester, 1-0
#12	335	Bowdoin	10-2	01/01 vs. Mass-Boston postponed; LOST to St. Joseph's (Maine), 55-60; def. RPI, 73-53; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime postponed
#13	334	Wartburg	8-2	won at Chapman, 70-60; LOST at Redlands, 65-72; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls postponed; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point postponed
#14	295	Tufts	8-1	won at UC Santa Cruz, 75-47; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran postponed
#15	265	New York University	9-0	12/30 at Baruch postponed; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary postponed
#16	249	Baldwin Wallace	7-2	won at Otterbein, 65-51; LOST at #7 Trine, 45-64; 12/29 vs. Albright postponed
#17	222	East Texas Baptist	9-2	def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33
#18	205	Texas-Dallas	6-3	LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin postponed; LOST to #8 UW-Eau Claire, 51-57
#19	180	Gettysburg	7-2	12/29 vs. T#32 Catholic postponed; 12/30 vs. TBD postponed; LOST to (n) T#41 Mary Washington, 35-55
#20	105	Hardin-Simmons	9-2	def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47
#21	99	St. John Fisher	8-0	IDLE
#22	78	Bates	7-3	won at Husson, 65-48; LOST at WPI, 46-48; LOST to (n) Susquehanna, 67-72
#23	76	UW-Oshkosh	11-2	def. Ripon, 87-37; won at Lawrence, 66-27; def. (n) Dubuque, 60-36; def. (n) Carthage, 67-40
#24	67	Wheaton (Ill.)	10-2	def. Concordia (Wis.), 59-51; 12/31 at Chicago postponed
#25	58	Springfield	12-0	def. Eastern Connecticut, 82-54; 01/01 vs. Skidmore postponed; def. Union, 64-56

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Messiah	9-2	def. (n) #9 DePauw, 54-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 76-58
#27	38	Wisconsin Lutheran	8-0	12/19 at Whittier postponed; 12/20 at Chapman postponed
#28	35	Smith	9-1	def. SUNY New Paltz, 62-54
#29	18	Scranton	8-2	def. Dickinson, 53-44; def. TCNJ, 60-47; 12/30 at Albright postponed
#30	16	Bethany Lutheran	7-6	LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; LOST at Loras, 78-94; LOST to (n) #10 Simpson, 76-89
#31	15	Mary Hardin-Baylor	8-2	def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; def. Schreiner, 88-71
T#32	10	Catholic	9-1	def. William Smith, 87-69; def. Pfeiffer, 71-43; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg postponed; 12/30 vs. TBA postponed
T#32	10	York (Pa.)	10-2	won at Widener, 60-54; def. (n) Berry, 58-50; LOST to (n) Loras, 57-58
#34	9	St. Lawrence	9-0	def. SUNY-Canton, 64-44
#35	6	Trinity (Texas)	8-2	won at Austin, 70-58; won at Centenary (La.), 83-50; def. Worcester State, 76-69; def. LeTourneau, 75-57; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne postponed
T#36	5	Albion	11-2	won at Adrian, 89-58; def. Franklin, 71-40; def. (n) Kenyon, 80-61; LOST at Otterbein, 55-67
T#36	5	Illinois Wesleyan	6-6	def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; won at George Fox, 65-61; LOST at Pacific, 65-71
#38	4	Rhodes	8-2	IDLE
T#39	3	DeSales	7-3	def. Cabrini, 67-46
T#39	3	Roanoke	9-2	LOST to Elizabethtown, 63-78; LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 70-101; def. Hood, 84-41
T#41	1	Augsburg	6-3	IDLE
T#41	1	Mary Washington	12-1	won at Averett, 72-43; def. (n) Misericordia, 68-52; won at Montclair State, 56-44; def. (n) #19 Gettysburg, 55-35
T#41	1	Roger Williams	8-0	IDLE

To me, Albion and Mary Hardin-Baylor seem to be the most likely teams to move into the Top 25 today, though Albion's loss to Otterbein will certainly hurt them...Had Catholic gotten the game vs Gettysburg in and won, I think they would have been a lock for a Top 25 spot. Still wouldn't be surprised to see Catholic get in between the 20-25 spots...UMHB definitely deserves a Top 25 spot over Hardin-Simmons just b/c they have the head to head win, and based on watching both play, have been the better as of late. HSU has one more win, but that's just how the ASC schedule shook out in December. Thoughts?

[scottiedawg]

Massey = Massey Ranking
D3Hoops = D3Hoops.com Ranking
Top 100 W = # of wins against Massey top 100 teams
> Top 10 Loss = # of losses against teams not in Massey's top 10
Overall Wins Massey = Average of all opponent's Massey ranking (just the wins)


   
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

Team	Massey	D3Hoops	TOP 100 W	> TOP 10 LOSS	Overall Wins Massey
Hope	1	1	4	0	133
Whitman	9	2	3	0	123.5
John Carroll	22	3	3	2	123.375
Amherst	11	4	1	0	156.8571429
UW-Whitewater	4	5	6	0	112.7
Chris Newport	3	6	2	0	205.0909091
Trine	3	7	4	0	141.7777778
UW-Eau Claire	8	8	5	1	96.11111111
DePauw	18	9	6	2	134.7272727
Simpson IA	6	10	4	0	113.1111111
Transylvania	15	11	2	0	162.4545455
Bowdoin	49	12	1	2	173.4
Wartburg	14	13	3	1	131.625
Tufts	12	14	3	1	104.125
NYU	10	15	1	0	211.7777778
Baldwin-Wallace	7	16	2	0	146.5714286
E Tx Baptist	23	17	3	2	171
UW-Oshkosh	5	23	2	1	162.8888889
Marietta	13	NA	5	0	120.7

Feels like Marietta needs some love.

CNU has very very little on their resume so far this year. Same for Transylvania.

[Roundball999]

Massey = Massey Ranking
D3Hoops = D3Hoops.com Ranking
Top 100 W = # of wins against Massey top 100 teams
> Top 10 Loss = # of losses against teams not in Massey's top 10
Overall Wins Massey = Average of all opponent's Massey ranking (just the wins)


   
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

Team	Massey	D3Hoops	TOP 100 W	> TOP 10 LOSS	Overall Wins Massey
Hope	1	1	4	0	133
Whitman	9	2	3	0	123.5
John Carroll	22	3	3	2	123.375
Amherst	11	4	1	0	156.8571429
UW-Whitewater	4	5	6	0	112.7
Chris Newport	3	6	2	0	205.0909091
Trine	3	7	4	0	141.7777778
UW-Eau Claire	8	8	5	1	96.11111111
DePauw	18	9	6	2	134.7272727
Simpson IA	6	10	4	0	113.1111111
Transylvania	15	11	2	0	162.4545455
Bowdoin	49	12	1	2	173.4
Wartburg	14	13	3	1	131.625
Tufts	12	14	3	1	104.125
NYU	10	15	1	0	211.7777778
Baldwin-Wallace	7	16	2	0	146.5714286
E Tx Baptist	23	17	3	2	171
UW-Oshkosh	5	23	2	1	162.8888889
Marietta	13	NA	5	0	120.7

Feels like Marietta needs some love.

CNU has very very little on their resume so far this year. Same for Transylvania.

Very interesting, thanks for the analysis.  I'd put Amherst in the same category as CNU and Transylvania with a very light resume this year.  But, Amherst always seems to reload and they've beaten everyone they've played...

[scottiedawg]

And just because a team has gone through only bad opponents like a hot knife through butter, doesn't mean they are a bad team. It just means we have less useful information on them than teams that have played stronger schedules. I think Transylvania will always be in this boat. They've already won their 2 hardest games this regular season. They don't have anyone else in Massey's top 100 left on their schedule. They could easily go undefeated. But IMO, say, Trine, has a much much stronger resume. Same with Tufts.

I'd probably put Wartburg, Tufts, Marietta, ahead of Transylvania.

[ronk]

What's the link for Massey's women's ranking?

[Jester1390]

Cant believe Im carrying water for Transylvania,  Are you kidding tufts before a team they lost head to head to and the other team has no losses and has beaten John Carroll and Tufts . True the only team that will give them a fight is Rose in conference but the rankings are on what you have done currently . As much as it pains me you cant punish them.  Both rose and Transylvania always schedule tough non conference.   

[Jester1390]

Rog  just click on the site. then you can choose rankings . you also can do indivdual matchups,  If you click on the school name it will show the schedule and score for each game for the season as it currently computes it.

[scottiedawg]

Cant believe Im carrying water for Transylvania,  Are you kidding tufts before a team they lost head to head to and the other team has no losses and has beaten John Carroll and Tufts . True the only team that will give them a fight is Rose in conference but the rankings are on what you have done currently . As much as it pains me you cant punish them.  Both rose and Transylvania always schedule tough non conference.

yeah we're probably splitting hairs here. They're close in the D3Hoops poll. the H2H matchup should carry a lot of weight. I still think people overrate H2H--it's a single game. Transylvania just looks a lot less impressive if you remove their 4 wins against teams that every top 50 team goes 4-0 against.

Wins against teams Massey 200+:
Chris Newport  -  6
DePauw  -  4
Transylvania  -  4
NYU  -  4
E Tx Baptist  -  4
Trine  -  3
UW-Oshkosh  -  3
UW-Eau Claire  -  2
UW-Whitewater  -  2
Simpson IA  -  2
Marietta  -  2
Hope  -  2
Baldwin-Wallace  -  2
Amherst  -  2
Bowdoin  -  2
John Carroll  -  1
Whitman  -  1
Wartburg  -  1
Tufts  -  0

[scottiedawg]

Though using my own argument, looking at "elite wins" (vs Massey top 25), then Transylvania is a borderline top 5 team! It's definitely true you can slice and dice stats to fit any narrative:

UW-Eau Claire  -  3
Hope  -  3
Trine  -  3
Simpson IA  -  2
Marietta  -  2
Transylvania  -  2
UW-Whitewater  -  1
John Carroll  -  1
DePauw  -  1
Baldwin-Wallace  -  1
UW-Oshkosh  -  1
Tufts  -  0
Whitman  -  0
Wartburg  -  0
Amherst  -  0
Bowdoin  -  0
Chris Newport  -  0
NYU  -  0
E Tx Baptist  -  0

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BTW, the teams listed are the only ones I've crunched data for.