Top 25 discussion

[RogK]

I still agree with me. Praise a player who does something excellent rather than dismissing it as an aberration.

[scottiedawg]

Top 3 teams in the poll gained 6, 7, 6, votes this week, mainly at the expense of teams 4,5,6 who lost -11, -2, -2 (though now upon reevaluation that's a false assumption on my part). Maybe just some sand settling? None of those 6 teams had any particularly standout wins, losses, or even a close loss against a bad team.

In fact, most impressive win out of those 6 teams is probably Whitman at Pacific, and they lost 2 votes.

Perhaps the main driver of those top 3 teams gaining a handful of votes was actually previous #7 Tufts tumbling.

[scottiedawg]

I haven't watched much of ETBU or Trinity Texas so watched both of their games tonight. Trinity looked much better than ETBU. Schreiner looked much better than Belhaven.

And comparing to the Smith/Tufts game I watched recently, I feel like Smith beats ETBU 19 games out of 20.  And beats Trinity 7 games out of 10.

I also watched parts of the Amherst/Middlebury and Wisconsin Lutheran/Alverno games, but didn't come away with any conclusions.

[scottiedawg]

Notable teams that did not make the initial Regional Rankings:
UC Santa Cruz
Albion
Webster
Gustavus Adolphus
UW-LaCrosse
UW-Stout
Pacific
Bethel MN


* I am not saying I disagree with any of the Regional Rankings, per se

[ronk]

Gordon Mann,
  1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?

[Pat Coleman]

That's interesting -- if the women's committee did not choose to put all of the C2C in the same region, this is the first we are realizing it.

[scottiedawg]

Springfield impressed me in their loss @ Smith. Both look like top 25 teams, but Smith is clearly the stronger team.

Hope destroyed a decent Calvin team at Calvin.

Wisconsin Lutheran did not look like a top 50 team @ Carthage.

[Baldini]

Couple of very good games in the OAC tonight. Otterbein gets the upset win at John Carroll and Baldwin Wallace wins in OT at Ohio Northern.

UW-Stout gets their second win of the year against UW-EC and take over 2nd place in the WIAC.   

[gordonmann]

Gordon Mann,
  1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?

Yeah, I took a guess when we set these pages up that the entire Coast-to-Coast would be in Region 6.

Shows what I know!

I think I have all the teams moved to their correct region, but let me know if I missed anyone.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	606	Christopher Newport	19-0	02/12 vs. #29 UC Santa Cruz; 02/13 vs. Pratt
#2	586	Trine	19-2	def. #31 Albion, 57-48; won at Kalamazoo, 80-35; 02/12 vs. Calvin
#3	582	Hope	20-1	def. Alma, 89-41; won at Calvin, 81-52; 02/12 at Olivet
#4	556	Transylvania	18-0	won at Mount St. Joseph, 92-50; 02/12 vs. Anderson
#5	529	Simpson	20-1	won at Buena Vista, 89-55; 02/12 vs. Dubuque
#6	500	Whitman	20-1	02/11 at T#39 Puget Sound; 02/12 at Pacific Lutheran
#7	462	UW-Whitewater	21-2	def. UW-Platteville, 56-35; 02/12 vs. UW-Stout
#8	426	John Carroll	17-3	LOST to Otterbein, 52-57; 02/12 vs. Ohio Northern
#9	413	New York University	17-1	02/11 at Case Western Reserve; 02/13 at Carnegie Mellon
#10	367	Baldwin Wallace	16-3	won at Ohio Northern, 64-58 OT; 02/12 at Muskingum
#11	363	Amherst	17-2	def. Middlebury, 72-56; 02/11 vs. #36 Trinity (Conn.); 02/12 vs. Connecticut College
#12	344	Tufts	17-3	02/11 at Middlebury; 02/12 at Williams
#13	320	DePauw	18-2	02/12 at Oberlin; 02/13 at Hiram
#14	271	Mary Hardin-Baylor	18-2	won at LeTourneau, 57-39; 02/10 at Howard Payne; 02/12 at Sul Ross State
#15	268	Wisconsin Lutheran	19-0	def. Alverno, 79-16; won at Carthage, 55-47; 02/12 at Illinois Tech
#16	249	Messiah	18-2	def. Stevenson, 74-46; 02/12 at Alvernia
#17	159	Scranton	20-2	won at Drew, 71-63 OT; 02/12 at Elizabethtown
#18	146	UW-Eau Claire	17-6	LOST at UW-Stout, 60-68; 02/12 at UW-Stevens Point
#19	143	Wartburg	17-4	def. Central, 74-48; 02/12 at Buena Vista
#20	121	Trinity (Texas)	20-2	def. Schreiner, 122-75; def. Texas Lutheran, 72-52; 02/12 vs. Southwestern
#21	116	Springfield	18-3	LOST at #26 Smith, 55-66; 02/12 at Emerson
#22	106	East Texas Baptist	16-4	won at Belhaven, 81-47; 02/10 vs. University of the Ozarks
#23	103	St. John Fisher	20-2	won at Nazareth, 64-42; 02/11 vs. Keuka; 02/12 at Utica
#24	85	Catholic	18-2	def. Goucher, 75-29; 02/12 vs. Moravian
#25	73	Gettysburg	19-2	def. Stevens, 72-60; 02/10 vs. Johns Hopkins; 02/12 vs. Haverford

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	55	Smith	18-2	def. #21 Springfield, 66-55; 02/12 at Babson
#27	28	Hardin-Simmons	14-4	02/10 at Texas-Dallas; 02/12 at LeTourneau
#28	27	Marietta	18-4	def. Mount Union, 58-33; 02/12 at Wilmington
#29	20	UC Santa Cruz	13-2	02/12 vs. #1 Christopher Newport; 02/13 at Mary Washington
#30	17	DeSales	16-3	won at King's, 68-51
#31	12	Albion	16-6	LOST at #2 Trine, 48-57; 02/12 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.)
T#32	11	Bowdoin	16-7	LOST at Husson, 69-76; LOST at Bates, 61-74; 02/13 vs. Wesleyan
T#32	11	Ithaca	17-3	02/11 vs. Clarkson; 02/12 vs. St. Lawrence
T#34	10	Roger Williams	20-1	won at Salve Regina, 73-33; 02/12 vs. University of New England
T#34	10	UW-Oshkosh	16-5	def. UW-Stevens Point, 65-55; 02/12 at UW-La Crosse
#36	7	Trinity (Conn.)	15-4	def. Williams, 66-55; 02/11 at #11 Amherst; 02/12 at Hamilton
#37	5	Webster	19-0	won at Fontbonne, 85-66; def. Eureka, 82-67; 02/12 at Principia
#38	4	Rhode Island College	17-5	LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 57-60 OT; 02/12 at Mass-Boston
T#39	3	Gustavus Adolphus	16-4	def. #43 Augsburg, 67-50; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 65-51; 02/12 vs. St. Scholastica
T#39	3	Puget Sound	17-3	02/11 vs. #6 Whitman; 02/12 vs. Whitworth
T#39	3	Rhodes	17-2	02/11 vs. Millsaps; 02/13 vs. Birmingham-Southern
T#39	3	WPI	17-3	def. MIT, 70-62; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard
#43	2	Augsburg	16-5	LOST at T#39 Gustavus Adolphus, 50-67; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-56; 02/12 vs. St. Benedict

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

I like the change in assigning C2C teams to "correct" regions instead of just one region as they are VERY spread out.  Maybe next year another change would be to assign ALL teams regardless of conference to "location-based" region.  How would this affect 64 selection?  It would help in getting schools closest to each other for travel.

[ronk]

Gordon Mann,
  1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?

Yeah, I took a guess when we set these pages up that the entire Coast-to-Coast would be in Region 6.

Shows what I know!

I think I have all the teams moved to their correct region, but let me know if I missed anyone.

Yes, I should have checked the handbook myself; Salisbury is in region 5.

[scottiedawg]

Worst stretches recently?
Augsburg, losing to Carleton and Gustavus Adolphus (and no good wins)

Texas-Dallas, lost their last two (against good teams, but not top top teams) (and no good wins)

Bowdoin, lost their last 3, 1 very bad loss. The win over Hamilton was decent.

Hardin-Simmons, lost 2 of their last 4, and their 2 most recent wins aren't strong.

Bates, lost 2 of their last 4 (pretty bad losses too, especially the Connecticut College one) Did bounce back with wins over Colby and Bowdoin

Carroll, Augustana losses don't look great. I think Millikin is better than a lot of people think but another loss there. and Home wins against Elmhurst and North Central aren't big feathers in their cap.


Best Stretches recently?
Baldwin Wallace is on a very nice run right now, beating Ohio Northern, Mt. Union, and Marietta on the Road, and Otterbein at Home, in their last 4 games.

After stumbling against River Falls, Stout has beaten UWSP on the Road and Oshkosh and Eau Claire at Home--a very nice 3 game stretch. They're an interesting case. 8 losses. But they have a bunch of really really good wins. The Finlandia loss looks so bad.

Millikin has won 6 in a row, all against solid teams (N Central IL probably the weakest?)--4 road games in there too. (let's see them get some votes!!)

Hope taking down Calvin and Albion on the road are nice wins recently.

St. Lawrence is on a 9-game win streak, but a home win over Vassar is easily the best win of that bunch. 2 road wins over Rochester Tech are a bit nice. I could see St. Lawrence grab some votes.

Ohio Northern is similar to Calvin/Albion. All lose to the better teams in their conference (strong conferences), and beat pretty much everyone else. I don't think they have resumes to get votes, but they all seem like top 35 teams. I'd pick any of those 3 to beat WLU for example.

[scottiedawg]

Forgot to mention Trinity Conn. The Connecticut College loss was baaaad, but this is an impressive last 7 wins:
Tufts
Bowdoin
Bates
Middlebury
Wesleyan CT
Colby
Mitchell

[gordonmann]

Big weekend for the Bantams.

I'd have to check but it's probably been a very long time since someone beat Tufts, Bowdoin and Amherst in the same season. Bates had a chance earlier and lost to Tufts.