Top 25 discussion

[Augie2020]

Well explained T.Y

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	606	Christopher Newport	21-0	def. (n) #29 UC Santa Cruz, 74-70; def. (n) Pratt, 90-30
#2	586	Trine	20-2	def. #31 Albion, 57-48; won at Kalamazoo, 80-35; def. Calvin, 65-47
#3	582	Hope	21-1	def. Alma, 89-41; won at Calvin, 81-52; won at Olivet, 94-44
#4	556	Transylvania	19-0	won at Mount St. Joseph, 92-50; def. Anderson, 78-48
#5	529	Simpson	21-1	won at Buena Vista, 89-55; def. Dubuque, 79-65
#6	500	Whitman	22-1	won at T#39 Puget Sound, 84-70; won at Pacific Lutheran, 73-70
#7	462	UW-Whitewater	22-2	def. UW-Platteville, 56-35; def. UW-Stout, 87-56
#8	426	John Carroll	18-3	LOST to Otterbein, 52-57; def. Ohio Northern, 68-43
#9	413	New York University	19-1	won at Case Western Reserve, 75-63; won at Carnegie Mellon, 70-56
#10	367	Baldwin Wallace	17-3	won at Ohio Northern, 64-58 OT; won at Muskingum, 63-50
#11	363	Amherst	18-2	def. Middlebury, 72-56; def. #36 Trinity (Conn.), 49-42; 02/12 vs. Connecticut College canceled
#12	344	Tufts	19-3	won at Middlebury, 77-71; won at Williams, 69-64
#13	320	DePauw	20-2	won at Oberlin, 51-41; won at Hiram, 71-41
#14	271	Mary Hardin-Baylor	20-2	won at LeTourneau, 57-39; won at Howard Payne, 80-62; won at Sul Ross State, 76-66
#15	268	Wisconsin Lutheran	20-0	def. Alverno, 79-16; won at Carthage, 55-47; won at Illinois Tech, 62-30
#16	249	Messiah	19-2	def. Stevenson, 74-46; won at Alvernia, 60-58
#17	159	Scranton	21-2	won at Drew, 71-63 OT; won at Elizabethtown, 64-55
#18	146	UW-Eau Claire	17-7	LOST at UW-Stout, 60-68; LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 55-69
#19	143	Wartburg	18-4	def. Central, 74-48; won at Buena Vista, 98-44
#20	121	Trinity (Texas)	21-2	def. Schreiner, 122-75; def. Texas Lutheran, 72-52; def. Southwestern, 93-63
#21	116	Springfield	19-3	LOST at #26 Smith, 55-66; won at Emerson, 76-45
#22	106	East Texas Baptist	17-4	won at Belhaven, 81-47; def. University of the Ozarks, 69-46
#23	103	St. John Fisher	22-2	won at Nazareth, 64-42; def. Keuka, 72-35; won at Utica, 69-39
#24	85	Catholic	19-2	def. Goucher, 75-29; def. Moravian, 82-65
#25	73	Gettysburg	20-3	def. Stevens, 72-60; LOST to Johns Hopkins, 61-64; def. Haverford, 51-44

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	55	Smith	19-2	def. #21 Springfield, 66-55; won at Babson, 72-63
#27	28	Hardin-Simmons	16-4	won at Texas-Dallas, 68-56; won at LeTourneau, 80-67
#28	27	Marietta	19-4	def. Mount Union, 58-33; won at Wilmington, 55-39
#29	20	UC Santa Cruz	14-3	LOST to (n) #1 Christopher Newport, 70-74; won at Mary Washington, 64-59
#30	17	DeSales	16-3	won at King's, 68-51
#31	12	Albion	17-6	LOST at #2 Trine, 48-57; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 88-56
T#32	11	Bowdoin	16-8	LOST at Husson, 69-76; LOST at Bates, 61-74; LOST to Wesleyan, 60-81
T#32	11	Ithaca	19-3	def. Clarkson, 65-32; def. St. Lawrence, 66-52
T#34	10	Roger Williams	20-2	won at Salve Regina, 73-33; LOST to University of New England, 57-61 OT
T#34	10	UW-Oshkosh	17-5	def. UW-Stevens Point, 65-55; won at UW-La Crosse, 59-57 2OT
#36	7	Trinity (Conn.)	16-5	def. Williams, 66-55; LOST at #11 Amherst, 42-49; won at Hamilton, 63-61
#37	5	Webster	20-0	won at Fontbonne, 85-66; def. Eureka, 82-67; won at Principia, 95-42
#38	4	Rhode Island College	18-5	LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 57-60 OT; won at Mass-Boston, 66-54
T#39	3	Gustavus Adolphus	17-4	def. #43 Augsburg, 67-50; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 65-51; def. St. Scholastica, 68-45
T#39	3	Puget Sound	18-4	LOST to #6 Whitman, 70-84; def. Whitworth, 76-63
T#39	3	Rhodes	19-2	def. Millsaps, 81-53; def. Birmingham-Southern, 112-92
T#39	3	WPI	18-3	def. MIT, 70-62; def. Coast Guard, 67-58
#43	2	Augsburg	17-5	LOST at T#39 Gustavus Adolphus, 50-67; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-56; def. St. Benedict, 76-67

[gordonmann]

Mr. Maus:

Welcome to the boards. That's a good summary of how the season has gone in the NESCAC. The top teams are not at the level that the NESCAC usually produces, but that's a standard that no other conference reaches consistently. The NESCAC had three sectional final hosts in the last NCAA Tournament with a decent chance to produce three Final Four teams. That would be hard to fathom if it didn't happen so recently.

I'd give it a year or two and then, provided Pace and Gromacki are still at Tufts and Amherst, and those two teams will work through these recruiting cycles and return to the Top 5 again. Amherst's young guards Vera and Patel are really good. I still think Tufts is the best team if they have Maggie Russell, which the Jumbos did not for the games against the Bantams or Amherst.

Maybe I'm just showing my personal bias, but I think Emily Garner is also building a really good program at Trinity and that the Bantams can be the next team with a national profile from this conference. Their defense is Amherst-like and they have size at almost every position. A lot of this team is sophomores and juniors and a couple key players are in their first year. Their offense is still really inconsistent. Nothing they do in the NESCAC tournament would totally shock me. Everything from losing in the first round to winning the whole thing is in play. But I'm as excited for their games now as I've been in a long time.

[saratoga]

Gordon:
Absolutely agree...these schools will certainly remain in the thick of things even though it may seem like a down year with 2 or 3 losses. 
As for the Bantams, I have been on board with them all year & with the addition of R. Campbell to now play along side of S. Gallo, I think they are poised to really establish themselves as yet another power from the NESCAC.

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

Banana Slugs gave a Terwiliger-less CNU all they could handle on a neutral court. CNU looks very different when they're not getting TOs from their press and getting easy layups.

Game plan is simple, CNU wants TO ratio of -10 or more.  If you can keep your TO ratio within -5 then you will be able to run with CNU.  Both @Mary Wash and UCSC games were such contests (although missing key starters in those games did CNU no favors).
I think UCSC deserves pool C bid.

[scottiedawg]

yep, and the elite teams at creating turnovers are the ones that actually give me pause. They can make 95% of teams look very very bad, but suddenly don't seem like world beaters when they face a team that can take care of the ball. (this is perhaps my main worry with Hope).

[scottiedawg]

The best weeks:
Smith with perhaps the best week of any team, winning vs. Springfield and @Babson.

Good week for Trine, beating Calvin.

2-win week for UW-Oshkosh, taking down UWSP at Home and LaCrosse on the road.

Similar for UW-Whitewater, beating Platteville at Home and Stout on the road.

Sneaky good week for Millikin, winning at North Central and at Home vs. North park.

Bates wins vs. Bowdoin and @ Middlebury. (Good catch @nescac nostradamus!)

Whitmans wins 2 road games, over Puget Sound and Pacific Lutheran

BW continues rolling, taking down Ohio Northern and Muskingum, both road games.

Hope thrashed a sneaky good Calvin team.

Scranton with a great week too, road wins over Drew and Elizabethtown, (though narrow over Drew!)



The worst weeks:
Bowdoin, losing 2 road games to Husson (!!) and Bates. Three game losing streak for Bowdoin.

Roger Williams, Home loss to University of New England is a baaaad loss.

UW-LaCrosse two Home losses to River Falls and Oshkosh

UW-Eau Claire two road losses to Stout and UWSP

UT Dallas loses at Home to Hardin-Simmons

Mary Washington loses at Home to UC Santa Cruz (I'm a firm Banana Slugs believer)

St. Lawrence loses to Ithaca on the road, ending a nice streak for them. I rescind my clamor for them to get a vote or two.

Babson Home loss to Smith.

Springfield road loss to Smith.

Ohio Northern 2 losses, Home to BW and Road to John Carroll.


And using my highly imperfect but always entertaining point valuation of a win/loss, here are the three best and three worst losses of the week (this ignores point differential and missing players, hence the "always imperfect" caveat):
#1 - UW-Oshkosh over UW-LaCrosse on the road
#2 - Hope over Calvin on the road
#3 - Whitman over Puget Sound on the road

Three Worst:
#1 - Roger Williams loses to University of New England at Home
#2 - Bowdoin loses to Husson on the road
#3 - UW-LaCrosse loses to UW-River Falls at Home

The Roger Williams loss is the worst valued loss this year by any of the 61 teams I track. Here are the worst losses of the year:
#1 - Roger Williams loses to University of New England at Home
#2 - UW-Stout to Finlandia at Home
#3 - Whitworth to Linfield on the road
#4 - Bates to Connecticut College on the road
#5 - Bates to Susquehanna at Home

[nescac nostradamus]

@Dawg - Bates lost to Middlebury and now has them in the first round of the NESCAC at their place.

[ronk]

Gordon:
Absolutely agree...these schools will certainly remain in the thick of things even though it may seem like a down year with 2 or 3 losses. 
As for the Bantams, I have been on board with them all year & with the addition of R. Campbell to now play along side of S. Gallo, I think they are poised to really establish themselves as yet another power from the NESCAC.

Haven't seen them play yet but familiar with Liz Althoff, Bria Fuller(former starter, now assumed injured), and Lucy Adams; Liz was 1 of my former prospects so if she's been supplanted as a starter by someone else, implies to me a considerable upgrade in ability

[nescac nostradamus]

NESCAC a three team race between Trinity, Amherst, & Tufts.  @Ronk @Saratoga - agree on Trinity, they have made a huge jump this year.  Gallo & Campbell both talented bigs who can score and Althoff coming off bench is strong.  Guard play a little inconsistent, but when they play well, they are tough to beat.  If you like defense, Amherst is your team.  They get in your face and open shots are tough to come by with them and they lead the league in blocked shots.  @Gordon - agree that Tufts has the best team when everyone is available.  Rosa is rounding into form and leads the league in FG% (57%), Poindexter McHan leads the league in 3PT% (42%), Russell leads the league in rebounding at 12.1 (best avg in 20+ years in NESCAC).  Not to mention Ryan, their best all around player.  Should be an interesting tournament this year.  Darkhorse - Middlebury - they play hard and Mustafaj is the real deal!

[scottiedawg]

Someone is named Poindexter McHan??? A+++ name.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

After several weeks of midday shows, we are back to our regularly scheduled time of 7:00 PM ET - and we are super-sizing the show tonight to make up for not being able to be on air Thursday AND the craziness that has happened in the last week!



Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.

On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.

Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.

Guests included:

• Jenna Cosgrove, Rhode Island women's coach
• Jon VanderWal, No. 2 Marietta men's coach
• Lance Thornhill, Fontbonne men's coach
• James Wallace, LeTourneau men's coach
• Keri Carollo, No. 7 UW Whitewater women's coach
• Anthony Mason, Vassar women's coach
• Top 25 Double-Take Super Sized: Akiva Poppers, Bob Quillman, Mike Rejniak, Ryan Whitnable

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14

[scottiedawg]

Biggest Point Risers:
Smith: +73
Scranton: +55
Trinity TX: +53
NYU: +33
Amherst: +24
Tufts: +21
DePauw: +20
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +20
Ithaca: +20
Baldwin-Wallace: +19
Hardin-Simmons: +15
Wartburg: +12
Marietta: +12

Biggest Point Decliners:
UW-Eau Claire: -139
John Carroll: -120
Springfield: -72
Gettysburg: -51
Catholic: -13
Bowdoin: -11
Wisconsin Lutheran: -9

[thebear]

Just curious why SUNY Cortland women's team, is getting zero votes in the polls?

18-3 .628 RPI Ranked Second in Region 3 & 25th nationally to #21 St. John Fisher .632 RPI [101 votes].

Only loss since early November was at Region 3 #4 New Paltz, to split the season series.

Has a win over Ithaca, who is 2nd in ORV with 31, and ranked below them in Region III RPI @.617

Scheduled home game vs. St. Lawrence lost to COVID cancellation.

Other losses are by 6 at Region 3 #4 Hartwick, and by 4 vs. Region 4 #9 Misericordia in the first game of the season at Drew.

Very good, solid, deep team. Play in a great facility.

Not sure why they are overlooked.

[scottiedawg]

Agreed. Not sure I think Cortland should get votes, but I definitely think St. John Fisher shouldn't be. I agree they're very similar.