Top 25 discussion

[Pat Coleman]

Was the committee a little behind because they had Scranton at 19-2 and they are 22-2.So was this done tonight or a couple days ago?

It's using the regional rankings, so through Sunday's games.

[Augie2020]

Thanks Pat

[ronk]

Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?

[Augie2020]

Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .

[Augie2020]

I personally like when they rank teams in tournament 1 thru 16 in each bracket.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I personally like when they rank teams in tournament 1 thru 16 in each bracket.

They'd do that in d3 if they could, but geography prevents anything nice and organized like that. You're just going to end up with two 4 seeds playing in the first round somewhere.

[Pat Coleman]

Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .

The problem here is that playing Thursday means more missed class time, which Division III schools want to avoid, and playing Sunday means you have to adjust for schools such as Messiah, Hope, Wheaton and others who will not play on Sunday by institutional rule.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .

Actually wouldn't solve this at all ... because there are locker room and practice times to consider as well ... and at least on Friday you would have four teams trying to practice for Saturday while you have two teams trying to get their walkthroughs/practice for their game that night ... plus locker room use/needs.

While it seems a simple fix, it isn't.

Furthermore, Thursday/Friday games would require teams to arrive as soon as Tuesday and with brackets even announced on Sunday (a shift in this scenario), that isn't enough time to make travel arrangements. Plus, that is a LOT of missed class time, so Presidents are not going to endorse that kind of change.

One more wrinkle for the future: DIII is going to try and find a way to get a day between rounds if they can (it is a financial problem). Should that happen, and I expect it to happen in some capacity but it has to be universal in all sports, then hosting will have a bigger hurdle.

Hosting at one location for both men's and women's basketball just isn't going to happen. And the biggest reason isn't if a school like Chris. Newport, Stevenson, UW-Stevens Point, and some others can handle it ... it's because (a) a lot of other schools cannot handle it, so it is an unfair advantage to a small number of schools and (b) it is a matter of one gender getting better times or attention than the other, intended or unintended. It is one of the reasons that any dual-championship site for basketball hasn't gotten very far (though, I think there is more warmth to the idea than others).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The countdown is on! Ten more days until the regular season comes to a close and we find out who will be playing for the Walnut and Bronze!



Thursday on Hoopsville, there is plenty to keep track of throughout Division III.

Hoopsville starts immediately following the NCAA Division III National Committee's announcement of the Top 16 "seeds" in both men's and women's rankings aired. We chatted with both national committee chairs, Michael Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther, about the release, how they came to the decisions, and what they hope to inspire with the announcements. Plus more.

Then we talk to coaches around the country about their programs and how they are positioning themselves for conference tournaments.

Guests include:

• National Committee Chairs


• Michael Schauer, No. 11 Wheaton (Ill.) coach
• Megan Wilson, Luther Associate Athletics Director
• Brendan Twomey, Farmingdale State men's coach
• Greg Mitchell, Hope men's coach
• Nick DiPillo, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
• Michelle Ferenz, No. 6 Whitman women's coach

We had scheduled to talk to Christine VanHook from PSU-Behrend women's basketball, but there was a last minute scheduling conflict. We hope to catch up with Coach VanHook in the next week.

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb17

Podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1922-10-more-days?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

[Baldini]

Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?

These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.

[gordonmann]

That appears to be what they did in the past. Amherst had this happen to them, at least once and maybe more than that.

[deiscanton]

That appears to be what they did in the past. Amherst had this happen to them, at least once and maybe more than that.

I believe that they also did that with the Tufts women in the March 2020 NCAA DIII Women's Basketball tournament, since the Tufts men were hosting first and second rounds that weekend.   Western New England, which was the closest team to Tufts that was also in the pod, ended up hosting.  Tufts won the pod, of course, (Cortland def. Western New England in the first round) and that was the end of the season since the pandemic cancelled the rest of the 2020 DIII Women's Basketball Tournament.

[ronk]

Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?

These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.

2nd seed host would penalize CNU, playing the regional final @ the probable opponent's home court; I'd prefer the 3rd seed who would ostensibly lose the semi to the 2nd seed and there would not be "home" crowd for the final. 

[Baldini]

Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?

These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.

2nd seed host would penalize CNU, playing the regional final @ the probable opponent's home court; I'd prefer the 3rd seed who would ostensibly lose the semi to the 2nd seed and there would not be "home" crowd for the final.

I get that point of view but would be surprised if CNU would have any concern about it. They would probably just want the nearest and easiest place for them and their fans to get to, they are the #1 team in the country and doubt they fear anyone that would be in their first bracket of 4.

[MrMaus]

Well. Sort of puts the CNU schedule discussion in a different light.

So however Massey is calculating SOS, winning percentage doesn't appear to be a particularly strong input.

At the end of the day you gotta settle on a model.

Massey uses an Elo model to rank teams, so winning percentage in not an input per se. The Massey SoS is just the average ranking of the teams played at that point in time and since Massey re-runs the entire season every day the rankings, and therefore SoS, change frequently. I would state that the SoS only has meaning on the morning of Feb 27th when the brackets are finalized.