Top 25 discussion

[Ralph Turner]

RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending. 

They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome.  A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.

Good morning, hoopstermom.

Good point about Richard Stockton, but remember, that is a non-region game.  That outcome will minimally impact R-MC's chances at hosting first round games on the post-season tourney.

My first thought as to what impact it might have is if the Selection Committee decided to award seeding based on direct outcomes among commom opponents against Richard Stockton.

[bbald eagle]

RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending. 

They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome.  A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.

"Good morning, hoopstermom."

"commom opponents"

Typo or great subtle pun? LOL

[Dark Knight]

Dark Knight, Randolph Macon has relatively easy route to the Final Four.  If they can run the South, then they face the West (which is a whole lot easier that the Central Region or the Great Lakes or a Mid-Atlantic or the UAA rep).

Is ease of path to the final four really a legitimate consideration for pollsters? I though the intent was to rank according to strength.

Is there a statement anywhere of what the pollsters are supposed to mean with their votes (best results so far, best team, best representative of a geographic region, most likely to make it to the final four, etc.)?

[Ralph Turner]

RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending. 

They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome.  A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.

"Good morning, hoopstermom."

"commom opponents"

Typo or great subtle pun? LOL

bbald eagle,     ?Fat Fingers?   


Dark Knight. sorry I didn't amplify the frame of reference.

I am keeping track of the "Best in the South".  Right now, it looks like that McMurry and R-MC are front runners at hosting the Sectionals.  The non-region games do not impact that decision.

We will have the in-region rankings coming out about Feb 8th.

[Pat Coleman]

Is ease of path to the final four really a legitimate consideration for pollsters? I though the intent was to rank according to strength.

It is to rank according to strength.

[Snowman]

Just returned and I can honestly say I am glad I spent the extra day in "the Big Apple", my interview went well, did some site seeing and went to the NYU Cole Sports Center to take in the NYU/Brandeis game. Let me start by saying that the facility is pretty cool, 2 story's under ground with people hanging over the railings 1 and 2 floors UP to ground level watching the game. Weather was a nightmare getting home this morning but other then that, wow. Suprised there is nothing to read about the game. Hey I saw Allen, not hard to miss, he wore a shirt that said on the back "I'm Allen", I should have went over and introduced myself but I really didn't think about it at the time.

As for the game, here are my thoughts, remember this is the only game I have seen of either team so its based on one game:

Brandeis has much more talent then NYU.
There was some serious, HOME COOKING for NYU.
NYU was much more emotional then Brandeis on the court, they are crazy physical and the home cooking really helped with that aspect of the game.
Brandeis opened a 10-1 lead, the center picked up her 2 foul and sat the whole rest of the 1st half, about 18 minutes, could have just ended it there but .....
I think the NYU out coached Brandeis, they frequently subed to get fresh bodies on the floor, stayed agressive and that helped take advantage of the officiating.
Most of the Brandeis subs looked lost and fumbled the ball more often then they caught it cleanly.
Brandeis is obviously hurting physically, the starter had the point guard with a slight limp and some funky bandage up her whole leg, and there were braces on two other players knees and at least 3 of the subs wore braces as well.
Cosidering the turn overs, that NYU to 20 more shots and the officiating I would think Brandeis wins in a rout next time they play.
NYU gave Coach Quinn a game ball for 400 wins.
NYU crowd and band really make that gym a home court advantage and did I mention the HOME COOKING.
You can tell how difficult it must be to win there, unless Wash U or the other UAA teams are really on their game, I don't think NYU will lose another home game.
Technical Foul on Brandeis (I still don't know what it was for) with about 1:30 left led to 4 point play, Brandeis then took the lead and I still can't believe that the "little" point from NYUdashed down court and made that lay up  to make it a 2 point win with 2 seconds left.

All in all, NYU won and that will boost them and Brandeis will drop but, Brandeis is much more talented (but not as deep) and I think that Brandeis will fare better this season and if they get healthy will make a big run. Anyone who thinks either of these teams can't play with USM, Bate, Bowdoin are in for a rude awakening come NCAA tournament time.

[jagluski]

Brandeis's technical was for something Jamie Capra said to the ref...

[jagluski]

As for the game, here are my thoughts, remember this is the only game I have seen of either team so its based on one game:

Brandeis has much more talent then NYU.
NYU was much more emotional then Brandeis on the court, they are crazy physical and the home cooking really helped with that aspect of the game.
I think the NYU out coached Brandeis, they frequently subed to get fresh bodies on the floor, stayed agressive and that helped take advantage of the officiating.
Cosidering the turn overs, that NYU to 20 more shots and the officiating I would think Brandeis wins in a rout next time they play.
You can tell how difficult it must be to win there, unless Wash U or the other UAA teams are really on their game, I don't think NYU will lose another home game.
Technical Foul on Brandeis (I still don't know what it was for) with about 1:30 left led to 4 point play, Brandeis then took the lead and I still can't believe that the "little" point from NYU dashed down court and made that lay up  to make it a 2 point win with 2 seconds left.

All in all, NYU won and that will boost them and Brandeis will drop but, Brandeis is much more talented (but not as deep) and I think that Brandeis will fare better this season and if they get healthy will make a big run. Anyone who thinks either of these teams can't play with USM, Bate, Bowdoin are in for a rude awakening come NCAA tournament time.

All definitely true.  Rochetti may be small, but this is now her third year in the UAA and she has continually killed teams that underestimate her.  NYU is also a very physical team, which is one of their strengths.  Janice Quinn is also a great coach, especially at adapting to opponents strengths'.  I remember playing NYU when I was at Wash U, when we were the highest scoring offense in D3 and NYU was a little down.  NYU held the ball in their own half of the court for 15-20 seconds every possession to slow the game down, keep it close, and prevent Wash U from scoring/running.

[deiscanton]

Like Snowman, I just returned from my trip today-- I spent last night at a youth hostel across the street from CBGB's in the Bowery, and with the way that NYU played on Saturday, I'm glad that I stayed 2 nights in New York City this time.  A shoutout to the ESPNZone in Times Square for entertaining me on Friday night while I watched games from the Screening Room-- I only wished that the UAA was on some of these feeds.

I concur with some of the previous written comments of the game for the most part, and I believe that Brandeis will be favored at Auerbach Arena in the rematch against NYU on Feb. 25.

When Rochetti ran down the court and made the layup yesterday, my first reaction was not "that was similar to the Marsha Harris move from 1997"-- that reaction came today when I finally got to read the accounts of the game.  My initial reaction was "That was the Tyus Edney/UCLA move that won a game in the NCAA DI Men's Tournament".

My other reaction when I read the box score was:  Brandeis needed to shoot 80% from the free throw line for the entire game to win this one.

There will be some adjustment in the polls to reflect Saturday's Brandeis/NYU game, but there is a lot of season left to go....

[bearsonocow]

Top 25 - wow - where's Bates.  Not even receiving a vote?  Guess only time will tell how much they're being underated.  I saw the Baldwin Wallace game and then saw they beat Bowdoin over the weekend.  With Williams and Middlebury this next weekend, we'll see if this peaks anybody's interest.

[Ralph Turner]

For comparison, Massey has McMurry #1 and Mississippi College #2.  HSU is #14 and HPU is #29.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6

[Pat Coleman]

Top 25 - wow - where's Bates.  Not even receiving a vote?  Guess only time will tell how much they're being underated.  I saw the Baldwin Wallace game and then saw they beat Bowdoin over the weekend.  With Williams and Middlebury this next weekend, we'll see if this peaks anybody's interest.

Bates will get votes this week. That's still last week's poll. Three of our voters did not file ballots today, so we were not able to release the poll.

You can tell it's not this week's poll because it still says Week 6 instead of Week 7.

[eaglemaniac]

Top 25 - wow - where's Bates.  Not even receiving a vote?  Guess only time will tell how much they're being underated.  I saw the Baldwin Wallace game and then saw they beat Bowdoin over the weekend.  With Williams and Middlebury this next weekend, we'll see if this peaks anybody's interest.

Bates will get votes this week. That's still last week's poll. Three of our voters did not file ballots today, so we were not able to release the poll.

You can tell it's not this week's poll because it still says Week 6 instead of Week 7.

Maybe you should get 3 new voters

[Pat Coleman]

You'd be surprised how hard it is to find good voters who never play road games on Mondays.

I'm willing to cut people some slack.

[eaglemaniac]

I hear ya....... Tough to find good people these days  .  Any idea as to when the Poll will be out?