Top 25 discussion

[feces monkey]

What's there to refute? You "GUARANTEED" me ( ) that the D3H.com pollsters have more knowledge than the coaches. Can't argue with that kind of unsubstantiated drivel. And to go along with a "guarantee," I know have "well documented" information about coaches polls.

I suppose these are the perils of venturing outside the NESCAC board...

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25.  I think you will see it this weekend.  I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote.  I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points.  Come on.  I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.

[sunny]

I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25.  I think you will see it this weekend.  I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote.  I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points.  Come on.  I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.

So if one person out of 25 thought that Greensboro was the 25th-best team in the country and the other 24 didn't even consider them (which could lead them to having ONE vote), that would satisfy you more than if all 25 voters thought they were the 30th-best team in the country (which probably didn't happen, but could be the case)?

People need to stop paying so much attention to who gets one, two, three, four, five, etc. vote-points and who doesn't.

[Pat Coleman]

I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25.  I think you will see it this weekend.  I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote.  I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points.  Come on.  I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.

This is no snub. This is reality. Who is the Top 25, or even Top 50 team that Greensboro has played and beaten, exactly?

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25.  I think you will see it this weekend.  I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote.  I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points.  Come on.  I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.

This is no snub. This is reality. Who is the Top 25, or even Top 50 team that Greensboro has played and beaten, exactly?

First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play.  Second of all most of the top 25 teams via those from ASW and SCAC conference are just to far away for the schools budget.  Now when it comes to non-conference play we play guilford every year that takes up one game.  Then I bet you out of all the top 25 teams greensboro is not ranked has played the most non-division III teams. I believe oglethorpe was once ranked in the polls and we both played davidson.  It was definetily a better game then what oglethorpe played. With the nations leading scorer as of last week that should count for something.  don't blame that on who they played because she did it against higher divsion teams too.

[Fawkes316]

First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play.  Second of all most of the top 25 teams via those from ASW and SCAC conference are just to far away for the schools budget.  Now when it comes to non-conference play we play guilford every year that takes up one game.  Then I bet you out of all the top 25 teams greensboro is not ranked has played the most non-division III teams. I believe oglethorpe was once ranked in the polls and we both played davidson.  It was definetily a better game then what oglethorpe played. With the nations leading scorer as of last week that should count for something.  don't blame that on who they played because she did it against higher divsion teams too.

Oh...my head hurts! Did you just say that you should be in the top 25, because Oglethorpe didn't play as well against Davidson as you did? I can't believe I actually looked this up, but you lost by 41 points to Davidson, I don't think you get to claim Top 25 credentials from that, even if Oglethorpe did lose by 56. (Ugh! There's five minutes of my life I can't get back!)

Not to mention the fact that you lost by 5 at home to 11-15 Averett.

[Fawkes316]

First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play. 

Listen Pat, this is right, I think that you should stop being prejudiced against teams who have to play a conference schedule. I am sure that all of the top 25 teams don't have to play anybody in their conference so they can play whoever they want... Oh wait a minute, no every team has a conference schedule!

Go ahead and support your team, but find some reasonable arguments. And by the way having the nation's leading scorer is usually a sign that you aren't a very good team. Good teams don't usually allow one player to dominate, because they have too much talent and the ball gets spread around.

[jagluski]

I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25.  I think you will see it this weekend.  I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote.  I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points.  Come on.  I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.

This is no snub. This is reality. Who is the Top 25, or even Top 50 team that Greensboro has played and beaten, exactly?

First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play.  Second of all most of the top 25 teams via those from ASW and SCAC conference are just to far away for the schools budget.  Now when it comes to non-conference play we play guilford every year that takes up one game.  Then I bet you out of all the top 25 teams greensboro is not ranked has played the most non-division III teams. I believe oglethorpe was once ranked in the polls and we both played davidson.  It was definetily a better game then what oglethorpe played. With the nations leading scorer as of last week that should count for something.  don't blame that on who they played because she did it against higher divsion teams too.

Non D-3 games are meaningless to the NCAA selection committee and should be(correct me if I'm wrong, Pat) to the pollsters.

[Pat Coleman]

No, they are not necessarily meaningless to the posters, but our voters usually don't punish teams for losing to scholarship schools.

Bad teams are bad teams, though, whether they are D-II, D-III, NAIA, NCCAA, USCAA, etc. We do the legwork on non-Division III schools if they are key to a school's ranking.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

What I am saying is and let you know this that USAS conference has not been a strong conference in the past.  Which I feel most of these pollsters have based thier opinions on teams based on strong conferences not strong teams.  Its like saying Gonzaga men's are strong because they play in a weak conference.  Which is not the case right.  I believe JJ Redick is a leading scorer for DI..so what your saying safkas is Duke isn't a good tream.  I believe Megan Silva of Randolph-Macon is one of the top scorers in the nation.  So you are saying they aren't a strong team. What i meant by conference play is the fact that the USAS doesn't have any strong teams besides greensboro to be considered for the polls.  Conference play conference play.  They were regionally ranked last year, but not this year.  Even though they have a better team this year. 

[jagluski]

What I am saying is and let you know this that USAS conference has not been a strong conference in the past.  Which I feel most of these pollsters have based thier opinions on teams based on strong conferences not strong teams.  Its like saying Gonzaga men's are strong because they play in a weak conference.  Which is not the case right.  I believe JJ Redick is a leading scorer for DI..so what your saying safkas is Duke isn't a good tream.  I believe Megan Silva of Randolph-Macon is one of the top scorers in the nation.  So you are saying they aren't a strong team. What i meant by conference play is the fact that the USAS doesn't have any strong teams besides greensboro to be considered for the polls.  Conference play conference play.  They were regionally ranked last year, but not this year.  Even though they have a better team this year. 

1) Now we're manipulating words.  He said usually, not always.  Go back and look at the NCAA Division I All-Time Scoring Leaders for seasons.  J.J. Redick is the exception, not the rule(and he's actually second right now to Adam Morrison).

2) Your point about Gonzaga supports the opposing argument.  Gonzaga is ranked because they are a good team, not because they play in a good conference.  The WCC doesn't have any teams that would be considered to be ranked besides Gonzaga either.  Greensboro is not ranked because they are not one of the top 25 teams, not because they're in a lousy conference.  Here's a better example.  You can only control your non-conference schedule...Gonzaga has a great non-conference schedule.  Southern Maine, the #1 team in the country, isn't in a great conference.  So what do they do?  Play Williams, Bates, and Bowdoin out of conference.  What does Greensboro do?  Nothing.  And don't tell me they lost to a D1 school by 41.

3) Your argument about not being regionally ranked is also garbage.  All you've proven is that other teams have improved more than Greensboro.

But, now I'll make the point I've made consistently.  If Greensboro is really this good(which I highly, highly doubt), they'll win the tournament.  They have the same chance as every other team in the dance does now.

[jagluski]

And here are the notable NCAA men's scoring leaders the past few years.

2004-2005: Keydren Clark (St. Peter's)
2003-2004: Keydren Clark (St. Peter's)
2002-2003: Ruben Douglas (New Mexico), followed by Henry Domercant(Eastern Illinois), M. Helms(Oakland), and M. Watson (UMKC)
2001-2002: Jason Conley(Missouri), Henry Domercant(Eastern Illinois), M. Chatman(Texas-Pan American), J. Bremer(St. Bonaventure)

I think J.J. Redick, Megan Silva, Leigh Sulkowski are the exception.  Of the Top 32(due to ties) scorers in D3 women's basketball, care to guess how many are even going to the tourney?  8.  Just 25%.  And this is just getting into the tournament, not even winning games and advancing.

Now let's look at a team stat(and I'll be nice and not even pick scoring margin, which by the way is 34 of the Top 38) which should be a true measure of how good a team is.  We'll go with Opponents Field-Goal Percentage.  18 of the Top 30 are in the tournament.  That's 60%.

[nyballer14]

I have been ammused with the back and forth argument for Greensboro. Ok here is a great scenario...Forget win the whole tournament, how about just beat Moravian, who is pretty weak themselves. If they lose to Moravian just go back into hibernation with the bears

[feces monkey]

Didn't Moravian beat Messiah?

PrideGuy, keep the faith. There are a lot of cyber-bullies, from the top down, looking to beat up on the up-and-comers. Brighter days are ahead. We in the NESCAC are friends of all the downtrodden and will be rooting hard for the student-athletes and fans of Greensboro.

Go Pride!

[PrideFan1986]

Ok guys i suggest that you get off of PridesportBBallguy. I think he is right I do think that we have gotten sunffed off of some votes. We play tough teams that are NOT DIII and we hang with them. I think it there is no way that you can expect us to hang with a DI team as well as we did. We might of got the crap beat out of us but hey atleast we go out of DIII to try to get better. So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.