Top 25 discussion

[GAVA]

Pat and you also said that you would put Mount Saint Mary WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy. They played one common opponent and that would be Kings College who beat Mount Saint Mary by 10 on a netural court while GMC beat Kings by 15 on their home court. So I don't see how you can put them WAY ahead. And I KNOW you are FAR from " Clueless"

Perhaps I can put them far ahead because they not only played Scranton, they beat them.

The question you should really be asking is how many teams would have a 23-2 record against the schedule that GMC has played. Many, many, many teams would.

Pat,

What do you think of RMC's chances of getting to the NCAA tourney without an ODAC tourney championship?

[Ralph Turner]

He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville.   

[TC HOOPS]

PAT I take it back you are CLUELESS!!!!! Time will tell and you will eat your words.

[GAVA]

He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville.   

Missed it live.

[Pat Coleman]

PAT I take it back you are CLUELESS!!!!! Time will tell and you will eat your words.

I don't think it can be disputed that many schools would be 23-2 or better on Gwynedd-Mercy's schedule. Did you miss the breakdown of the strength of schedule earlier?

Maybe they will beat a ranked team in the playoffs. But that's what it would take, because they haven't beaten any so far. If you need to point to a loss that happened a year ago as your argument for being in the Top 25, that's a sign you need a better schedule.

[David Collinge]

ichouse, ok thanks that would make a big diffrence. Meant no disrespect to Mount Saint Mary. I would just like to know how many teams in D-3 have a record of 23-2 and can't get into the Top 25.

Northeast region:  Maine Maritime 23-2, Norwich 22-2, Maine-Farmington 22-3; also Fitchburg St. 23-2 probably will drop out this week
East region: St. Lawrence 23-2; Cortland St. 22-2 probably will drop out this week
Atlantic region: Kean 22-3
Mid-Atlantic region: Gwynedd-Mercy 23-2
South region: Maryville (TN) 21-3
Great Lakes region: none
Central region: Concordia (WI) 21-3, Carroll 20-3
West region: none

What do these teams have in common besides a) similar records and b) unranked?  How about c) weak schedules?

Somehow, I suspect you'll take this as further evidence that Pat is "clueless." 

[GAVA]

He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville.   

So what was Pat's opinion?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The third hour of Hoopsville will be up in the archives in about 15 or so minutes.

Go to www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives.htm and go to the Part 3 link. Pat starts about 20 minutes it.

[Pat Coleman]

He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville.   

So what was Pat's opinion?

Gava -- really, you should listen to Hoopsville. It's worth your time.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

All three hours/parts of the show are "up" on Hoopsville's Archive page. Enjoy!

[mytwocents]

TC Hoops,

Seems the other poll has the same senitiment as the D3 Hoops poll regarding Gwynedd Mercy. I guess they are clueless also.  You may be correct that G-M will make some noise in the NCAA's. We'll just have to wait and see.  Best of Luck to the Griffins.

http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

[TC HOOPS]

Mytwocents,

                    At least http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp has Gwynedd ranked 33rd, its better then 41st in D-3 hoops. They are not as CLUELESS.

[TC HOOPS]

David Collinge thanks for that info. Pat put out a Pool C Top 200 list last week and here is where the teams you sent me placed on that and where they place in the D-3 hoops TOP 25.

Maine Maritime ranked 18th and recieved 24 votes on the teams to watch.
Norwich ranked 36th and recieved 29 votes on the teams to watch.
Maine-Farmington ranked 38th and recieved 31 votes on teams to watch.
Fitchburg ranked 3rd and was ranked 25th in the Nation.
St. Lawrence ranked 19th and recieved 6 votes on teams to watch.
Cortland St. ranked 8th and was ranked 24th in the Nation.
Maryville ranked 44th and recieved no votes.
Concordia ranked 33rd and recieved no votes.
Carroll ranked 25th and recieved no votes.
Kean ranked 26th and recieved no votes.
Then comes Gwynedd. They ranked 16th and recieved a WHOLE 1 vote. So out of the 10 teams you gave me 2 were ranked higher on the C pool list but 6 are ranked higher on the D-3 hoops TOP 25. Lets see when the TOP 25 comes out tomorrow. Pat is not CLUELESS I just like busting on him.

[Pat Coleman]

I only have one of the 25 ballots. I think you've mathematically proven only one person voted for GMC.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Pat is not CLUELESS I just like busting on him.

Careful... that is a tricky slope to slide on!

And I find it amazing you take on Pat with this issue... yet, not ONE person has agreed with your rose-colored perception of GMC. I don't think anyone would say they haven't had a successful season, but a Top-25 team? Probably not!

If they get to the Elite 8... maybe even the Sweet 16... I am sure some people will take a second look... but until GMC figures out how to put together a challenging schedule worthy of a Top 25 nod... and doesn't lose to its only Top 25 opponent by 30 (!)... I wouldn't bother trying to make your arguement, right now.