Bumblin' B's

[Just Bill]

Edgewood--in turn--lost to WLC-- in the NAthCon final.

Yes, but neither Edgewood or WLC is in the Pool B discussion anyway.

[Ralph Turner]

It's official!

In alphabetical order, Chapman, Juniata and Scranton.

[Ralph Turner]

Pool B outcomes in 2008:

Chapman -- LOST at Puget Sound: To (Pool C) George Fox 55-71.

Juniata -- LOST at Baldwin Wallace: To Hope 47-76

Scranton-- Hosted and LOST: To Medaille 54-56.

Record vs Pool A -- 0-2.
Record vs Pool C -- 0-1.

[ronk]

Ralph,
   Would you do a Pool B report for the women like you recently did on the men's side? I was surprised to see Elms as a new pool B candidate for the men and as a victor over Scranton in the NCAA last year, they would be a strong candidate this year, effectively reducing the available spots to 2. Wondering if there are any similar possibilities on the women's side.

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,
   Would you do a Pool B report for the women like you recently did on the men's side? I was surprised to see Elms as a new pool B candidate for the men and as a victor over Scranton in the NCAA last year, they would be a strong candidate this year, effectively reducing the available spots to 2. Wondering if there are any similar possibilities on the women's side.

Certainly!

Later tonight.   

Of course the Handbook has not been released, but I will give my best effort.

[Ralph Turner]

My lunch meeting canceled. 

My first look thru D3hoops.com's regional listing shows these Pool B candidates.  I count 34 teams.  The access ratio in 2007-08 was 9.615 and I don't think that will change too much in 2008-09.  That gives 3 bids.  The real question is whether we get another bid budgeted for the women, because we added 9 new programs in basketball this year.  (The NCAA funds one bid for every 6.5 participants up to 64.)  If so, we will have a full 64-team bracket.

Northeast (10) -- NECC has 9 teams.  (The NECC should be Pool A in 2010-11.)  UM-Presque Isle.
East (1) -- New Rochelle.
Atlantic (10) -- LAND-8, St Elizabeth, Trinity DC.   (Landmark Conference gets it Pool A in 2009-10. St Elizabeth joins the NEAC in 2009-10.)
Mid-Atlantic -- (0)
South (2) -- Rust and Salem.
Great Lakes -- (0)
Central (1) -- Finlandia
West (10) -- UMAC-7 Chapman, Neb Wesleyan, UC Santa Cruz.  (UMAC should get its Pool A bid in 2010-11.)

[ronk]

Ralph,
  Thanks for the timely effort, and if the NCAA funds the extra bid(because of the nine new programs), I assume it'll belong to pool C?

[Ralph Turner]

I think that the new bid will go to Pool A NATHC.

They take a bid from Pool B and the new schools add a bid to the Pool.  The allocation just works out for Pool B to keep 3 bids.


I think that the Landmark's bid in 2009-10 comes from Pool B.

In 2010-11, I think that one bid from Pool B and the other comes from Pool C to the UMAC and NECC.

[Ralph Turner]

Women's Handbook is out.  Three Pool B bids this season.

34 Pool B teams and 419 teams qualified for the championship.

40 Pool A bids
20 Pool C bids

I will do some double-checking.   

[ronk]

(The NCAA funds one bid for every 6.5 participants up to 64.)  If so, we will have a full 64-team bracket.

Looks like they don't do it for the women, since 416 or more participants would equate to a full 64 team field.

[Ralph Turner]

(The NCAA funds one bid for every 6.5 participants up to 64.)  If so, we will have a full 64-team bracket.

Looks like they don't do it for the women, since 416 or more participants would equate to a full 64 team field.

It does, doesn't it! 

I have "personal messaged" Pat Coleman about this.   

[Ralph Turner]

The women will get their 64th bid in 2009-10.

[ronk]

   And the reason that it doesn't happen this season is....?

[Ralph Turner]

   And the reason that it doesn't happen this season is....?

I don't know, and I did not think to inquire at the time I asked the question. 

[ronk]

Ralph,
   Thanks for the info that you did find; just looking for the NCAA to follow thru on their professed guidelines; unhappy when the rules change after the game starts somewhat like Bud Selig changing the rules of baseball for the World Series.