Bumblin' B's

BlueZoneBruin · February 28, 2010, 12:55:22 AM

As a west coaster...it would be quite sad if Chapman got in the tourney this year. They have only two victories over teams with winning records! Sure the win over UT-Dallas was impressive. But, the only other team they've beat with a winning record is Dallas (15-12).

BlueZoneBruin

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2010, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on February 28, 2010, 12:55:22 AM
As a west coaster...it would be quite sad if Chapman got in the tourney this year. They have only two victories over teams with winning records! Sure the win over UT-Dallas was impressive. But, the only other team they've beat with a winning record is Dallas (15-12).

BlueZoneBruin

That is the nature of Pool B. Pool B has been where new conferences can get access to the tourney on their way to the Pool A. Last year, the talented Landmark Conference teams got Pool B bids.

There may be only one Pool B bid next season.

Just Bill · March 01, 2010, 02:26:37 PM

Northland and Minnesota-Morris both of the UMAC get Pool B's. Stragnely enough neither of them even reached the championship game of their conference tournament. Sad year for Pool B.

Ralph Turner · March 01, 2010, 10:12:59 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 02:26:37 PM
Northland and Minnesota-Morris both of the UMAC get Pool B's. Stragnely enough neither of them even reached the championship game of their conference tournament. Sad year for Pool B.

Massey Ratings ...

Chapman 905
MN Morris 911
Northland 1019

Just Bill · March 05, 2010, 08:30:03 PM

Both Pool B's are out by 7:15 central time on opening night.

Ralph Turner · March 06, 2010, 11:48:11 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 08:30:03 PM
Both Pool B's are out by 7:15 central time on opening night.

Summary of the 2010 Pool B's:

UW-Stevens Point 86, MN Morris 64 (at St Norbert)
Carthage 73, Northland 60 (at UW-Whitewater)

Ralph Turner · January 03, 2011, 10:53:02 PM

One Pool B Bid in 2010-11

Handbook says that there are 12 Pool B schools, but it does not list the Pool B's in any format.

Here are the Pool 12 B teams that I find.

U Maine - Presque Isle (Are they declaring for the NAIA this season?) (Northeast Region)

New Rochelle (East Region)

Trinity DC (Atlantic)

~~GSAC-4 (Huntingdon, LaGrange, Maryville, Piedmont)~~ GSAC Women have the Pool A bid.

Rust (South Region)
UDallas (going to the SCAC in 2011-12) South Region

Lancaster Bible (Mid-Atlantic Region)

None from the Great Lakes Region

Finlandia Central Region
Mount Mary Central Region

West Region teams (4)
Nebraska Wesleyan
Chapman, and Chapman is running away with Pool B.
UC Santa Cruz
North Central University (MN)

dahlby · January 23, 2011, 09:50:02 PM

I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me why Neb Wes is listed as an Independent on their D3 home page, but show a conference record. Still also NAIA?

Additionally, Covenant is listed under the D3 Independents , with their home page on D3 showing them a member of the NESCAC.

I am trying to figure out who falls into the Pool B pool this year. Any help is appreciated, Ralph emailed me earlier the teams he thought were Pool B. And I did appreciate that, but it did not include Covenant, but did include Neb Wes, who earlier handed Chapman a defeat in Colorado Springs during a Colorado College Tourney.

Also, I am trying to figure out why the SCIAC Women's board includes Chapman, but the Men's SCIAC board does not. I emailed Pat, but apparently he is busy.

Ralph Turner · January 23, 2011, 10:04:34 PM

The message boards seemed to lump Chapman with the SCIAC for the women, even tho' they are not members. They and UC Santa Cruz are the only West Region independents now.

Neb Wes is in the Great Plains AC. The Conference record is what the PrestoSports.com software program is seeing. Prestosports.com may not have written the code for the program that designates whether NebWes is a dual member of NAIA and NCAA.

As for Women's Pool B bids, Covenant is provisional year #2 of the four-year provisional status. They are participating in the Great South AC.

I think that Chapman is a lock for the Pool B bid, both men and women.

dahlby · January 23, 2011, 10:35:46 PM

Ralph, thanks and plus K for your response.

I still don't understand why the Chapman women's team is listed with SCIAC teams, but not the men's.

When Chapman posters participate on the Men's SCIAC board, they are usually "gang tackled", but it seems to be ok for SOME of the SCIAC posters to take "pot shots" at the Chapman men's teams.

There are natural rivalies between several SCIAC teams and Chapman, do to the interest in travel costs and geography. I have never seen a UCSC posting, so that leaves Chapman supporters basically talking to themselves, which usually happens via PM or outside email.

I don't call the shots for these boards, but it seems only natural that a change be made.

Personally, I usually don't post anyting on these boards unless a SCIAC team is involed.

I have emailed Pat directly regarding this, but have received no answer, maybe someone else can clue me in.

I hope CU makes the playoffs and can host....which would be doubful if Cal LU wins the auto bid for men's, and Oxy wins the women's bid, as they both handed Chapman one of their few defeats for both programs. With a remaining schedule, for both teams, that leaves much to be desired, it will be hard to keep both programs geared up. But, that is just a situation that both Chapman coaches must deal with. It is always a pleasure to host, with a packed gym.The excitement is unbelievable!

Ralph Turner · January 23, 2011, 11:09:07 PM

Of course, if you had a special message board for the West Region Independents to accommodate the Chapman Women, it would be a single school board, which is "against" one of the Terms of Use. $:-\$

dahlby · January 24, 2011, 01:27:22 AM

Ralph, would it not actually include UCSC then?

BlueZoneBruin · January 24, 2011, 01:32:40 AM

dahlby...

I don't see the Chapman women getting to host considering their performance in the tournament the past few years, at least not beyond the first round against the SCIAC champ (who also have not performed well in recent tournaments). The Panthers have done rather well in those games the past few years, and then usually end up in the NWC getting trounced by 20+. The 28-point loss to a down George Fox team doesn't help build the case. The Lewis & Clark win is helpful, but I don't see tremendous strength of schedule (said without actually looking at the numbers).

BlueZoneBruin

dahlby · January 24, 2011, 01:40:35 AM

BlueZoneBruin,

Until last year the trend had been for Chapman to play the SCIAC Champ, with the winner going on to defeat. Only once (as best I can remember), several years ago, did the CU women advance past the second round. Yes, there is a SOS problem being an Indy, although CU should receive
the lone Pool B bid this year and either play the SCIAC Champ or go up north to play a NWC opponent as last year.

If Chapman plays a SCIAC team in the first round, they would probably host, except against OXY, who beat CU in the regular season.

Note to Ralph....Also, I believe Neb Wes is a west region school.

Ralph Turner · January 24, 2011, 10:07:52 AM

Quote from: dahlby on January 24, 2011, 01:40:35 AM
BlueZoneBruin,

Until last year the trend had been for Chapman to play the SCIAC Champ, with the winner going on to defeat. Only once (as best I can remember), several years ago, did the CU women advance past the second round. Yes, there is a SOS problem being an Indy, although CU should receive
the lone Pool B bid this year and either play the SCIAC Champ or go up north to play a NWC opponent as last year.

If Chapman plays a SCIAC team in the first round, they would probably host, except against OXY, who beat CU in the regular season.

Note to Ralph....Also, I believe Neb Wes is a west region school.

Yes to both points, but I have never seen a UC Banana Sluggette post, and cannot remember the last time a NebWes Women's poster commented.