Bumblin' B's

[Ralph Turner]

Ronk, there may be a guideline that delays the change in the number of bids by a year or two.  I know that we have seen the slow expansion of the brackets over the years.

[Ralph Turner]

Independent College of St Elizabeth, Morristown NJ is joining the NEAC in 2009-10.

One less Pool B team next year.

EDIT:  I clarified the post.  One less Pool B team.  I don't think that single change will change the number of bids.

[Ralph Turner]

My lunch meeting canceled. 

My first look thru D3hoops.com's regional listing shows these Pool B candidates.  I count 34 teams.  The access ratio in 2007-08 was 9.615 and I don't think that will change too much in 2008-09.  That gives 3 bids.  The real question is whether we get another bid budgeted for the women, because we added 9 new programs in basketball this year.  (The NCAA funds one bid for every 6.5 participants up to 64.)  If so, we will have a full 64-team bracket.

Northeast (10) -- NECC has 9 teams.  (The NECC should be Pool A in 2010-11.)  UM-Presque Isle.
East (1) -- New Rochelle.
Atlantic (10) -- LAND-8, St Elizabeth, Trinity DC.   (Landmark Conference gets it Pool A in 2009-10. St Elizabeth joins the NEAC in 2009-10.)
Mid-Atlantic -- (0)
South (2) -- Rust and Salem.
Great Lakes -- (0)
Central (1) -- Finlandia
West (10) -- UMAC-7 Chapman, Neb Wesleyan, UC Santa Cruz.  (UMAC should get its Pool A bid in 2010-11.)

Pool B in 2010-11 --   12 Teams -- Probably one Pool B bid.

Northeast (1) -- NECC has 9 teams. (The NECC should be Pool A in 2010-11.)  UM-Presque Isle.
East (1) -- New Rochelle.
Atlantic (1) -- LAND-8, St Elizabeth, Trinity DC.   (Landmark Conference gets it Pool A in 2009-10. St Elizabeth joins the NEAC in 2009-10.)
Mid-Atlantic -- (1)  Lancaster Bible  (unless they join the CSAC or NEAC).
South (2) -- Rust and Salem.
Great Lakes -- (0)
Central (1) -- Finlandia
West (5) -- UMAC-7 Chapman, Neb Wesleyan, UC Santa Cruz plus LaSierra and North Central MN  (UMAC should get its Pool A bid in 2010-11.)

[Ralph Turner]

Three Pool B bids in 2009.

Northeast (10) -- NECC-9.  UM-Presque Isle.  The NECC is very weak.  Daniel Webster is 4-3/3-3 in-region. (UMPI appears to be declaring for the NAIA Sunrise Conference.)
East (1) -- New Rochelle. 
Atlantic (10) -- LAND-8, St Elizabeth, Trinity DC.   (Moravian is 9-1/8-1; Susquehanna is 9-3/9-3; Catholic is 8-4/6-4.)
Mid-Atlantic -- (0)
South (2) -- Rust and Salem. (Neither are competitive.)
Great Lakes -- (0)
Central (1) -- Finlandia
West (10) -- UMAC-7 Chapman, Neb Wesleyan, UC Santa Cruz. Chapman is 10-6/8-5 with a good OWP/OOWP.  Northland from the UMAC is 6-5/6-5 with a loss to Chapman.

My first look at the women has:

1) Moravian
2) Susquehanna (9-3/9-3)
3) Scranton (7-3/7-3 with a loss to Moravian and in-region win over Kean)  (EDIT:  See Ronk's comments.  )
3) Catholic

Catholic and Chapman are on the radar.

Corrections and comments are appreciated.

[ronk]

Ralph,
   Thanks for the update; Scranton is 7-3 and I would rank them behind Moravian and ahead of Susquehanna because of SOS.

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,
   Thanks for the update; Scranton is 7-3 and I would rank them behind Moravian and ahead of Susquehanna because of SOS.

Ronk, thanks for the comment.  I did not check them out, down at 0-1 in conference.  Scranton is 7-3/7-3 in region, so I would put them ahead of Catholic.

That is a tough women's conference, so someone will be knocked out.  However, there might be 2 or three Pool B bids coming from the Landmark.

(Everyone in Pool B will be glad when the Landmark Conference moves to Pool A!)

[Ralph Turner]

Pool B update thru Jan 16th...

(I am getting this draft started this morning while I have time...)


As mentioned above, we have three Pool B bids in 2009.

Northeast (10) -- NECC-9.  UM-Presque Isle.  The NECC is very weak.  Fourth year "Provisional" Mitchell is leading the conference. (UMPI appears to be declaring for the NAIA Sunrise Conference.)
East (1) -- New Rochelle. 
Atlantic (10) -- LAND-8, St Elizabeth, Trinity DC.   (See below for the LAND breakout.)
Mid-Atlantic -- (0)
South (2) -- Rust and Salem. (Neither are competitive for the bid.)
Great Lakes -- (0)
Central (1) -- Finlandia
West (10) -- UMAC-7 Chapman, Neb Wesleyan, UC Santa Cruz. Chapman is 12-6/9-5 with a good OWP/OOWP.  MN-Morris is leading the UMAC.

Team........................	Conf...	In-reg...	Overall
1) Moravian	3-1	12-2	13-2
2) Scranton	3-1	10-4	10-4
3) Catholic	3-1	9-5	10-5
3*) Susquehanna	2-2	10-5	10-5

Chapman is on the radar, but there are four strong teams in the Landmark Conference.  We don't know if Chapman will be regionally ranked.

Corrections and comments are appreciated.

[Pat Coleman]

For those wondering about the Pool B precedent for so many bids coming from one conference, the Northwest Conference got four Pool B bids in 2000.

As you might expect, the NCAA put them all in one four-team "pod."

I wasn't as broken up by that as I might've been, though. See, the NWC didn't have a conference tournament at that time, so the NCAA funded one for them. And played it in the first two rounds of the NCAA playoffs.

[OxyBob]

Chapman is 12-6/9-5 with a good OWP/OOWP.
...

Chapman is on the radar, but there are four strong teams in the Landmark Conference.  We don't know if Chapman will be regionally ranked.

Chapman is 13-2 overall, 11-2 in-region.

OxyBob

[Pat Coleman]

Chapman is 12-6/9-5 with a good OWP/OOWP.
...

Chapman is on the radar, but there are four strong teams in the Landmark Conference.  We don't know if Chapman will be regionally ranked.

Chapman is 13-2 overall, 11-2 in-region.

OxyBob

Not in women's basketball.

[OxyBob]

Chapman is 12-6/9-5 with a good OWP/OOWP.
...

Chapman is on the radar, but there are four strong teams in the Landmark Conference.  We don't know if Chapman will be regionally ranked.

Chapman is 13-2 overall, 11-2 in-region.

Ack!

OxyBob

[sac]

Chapman is 12-6/9-5 with a good OWP/OOWP.
...

Chapman is on the radar, but there are four strong teams in the Landmark Conference.  We don't know if Chapman will be regionally ranked.

Chapman is 13-2 overall, 11-2 in-region.

Ack!

OxyBob

[RustCollege]

So what do rust college women team look like for makin playoffs they beat lagrange today

[Ralph Turner]

So what do rust college women team look like for makin playoffs they beat lagrange today

I calculate the in-region W/L record for Rust women at 3-8.
Nope!

[Ralph Turner]

Team..........	Conference	Region...	In-reg...	Overall
Scranton	LAND	Atl	15-4	15-4
Moravian	LAND	Atl	16-3	17- 3
Chapman	Indep	West	11-6	13-7
Susquehanna	LAND	Mid-Atl	12-8	12-8
Catholic	LAND	Atl	10-8	12-8

This may be a sweep for the Landmark Conference schools.  (Three bids are awarded.) Chapman does have 4 in-region games plus a 2-game tourney.