Bumblin' B's

Ralph Turner · February 22, 2006, 03:13:17 AM

Let's see how Thomas More does in the Pres AC tourney and Piedmont in the GSAC!

I think that they, Rockford, blew it!

Thanks for the request to clarify, d3d3.

d3d3 · February 22, 2006, 12:18:57 PM

You think who blew it??

keith45 · February 23, 2006, 12:23:49 PM

So no NIIC teams are getting in this year, huh?? Rockford dropped one big game..which hurt. And next year, with the super-confrence and no AQ, its possible that one team MAYBE gets in!! I think Lakeland gets both squads in this year, from the LMC....due to the amount of conferece games next year, what do you think (Ralph) that a team in the new conference has to do non-conference to get in? I don't even think anyone has a really tough non-conference slate next year (or nothing as tough as AU women had this year; Milikin (there) Wheaton (there) Chicago (there), Elmhurst (there), Carthage, North Central, Webster (home) and North Park(there)....

Ralph Turner · February 23, 2006, 05:23:30 PM

Keith, I will defer to more knowledgeable voices, but if the new group were to keep the "LMC charter", basically have the LMC absorb the NIIC, then I believe that they would retain Pool A eligibility next year.

This is what happens with respect to Pools

341=# schools in Pool A conferences in 2005-06

37= # Pool A conferences in 2005-06.

341 dividied by 37 = 9.22 for an access ratio of 1:9.22

41 = Pool B schools in 2005-06

41 divided by 9.22 = 4 Pool B schools.

In 2006-07, if the LMC and the NIIC decide to form a new conference, subtract 7 (2005-06 LMC schools) from 341 but add 8 NEAC schools who become Pool A = 342. Divide 342 by 37 Pool A conferences to get an access ratio of 1:9.30.

Take the 41 Pool B schools + 7 LMC minus 1 (Eureka who joins the SLIAC) minus 8 members of the NEAC = 39 by 9.22 = 4 Pool B bids for 2006-07.

For the sake of the student-athletes, is there that unfavorable an image of the Lake Michigan Conference, or too much ego, lack of visibility, unfavorable marketing profile or whatever, that the NIIC schools want to spend 2 more years in "Bumbledom" in all sports?

Or does the MSOE's dropping the LMC to 6 men's programs make all of this a moot point for the men?

Comments please.

Keith, I realize that I went off on a tangent. More later tonight.

Ralph Turner · February 23, 2006, 06:32:14 PM

Keith, I am still at work, but Alverno in the women makes 8 members. Perhaps the LMC could keep the Women's Pool A bid after the departure of MSOE.

And, Dominican makes 8 after in the men this year.

Is that long enough for the men to have 7 teams?

I am in favor of the NIIC merging into the LMC!

IMHO, most programs actually do better in a Pool A status.

Pat Coleman · February 24, 2006, 12:20:10 PM

QOWI through games of Thursday, Feb. 24. I believe these to be complete although there is a chance we are missing some conference tournament games. Please let me know if you have noticed such:

1-10
DePauw    12.444    18-0
Bowdoin    12.143    19-2
Scranton    11.900    20-0
Southern Maine    11.750    23-1
Washington U.    11.722    16-2
Mary Washington    11.435    23-0
Messiah    11.381    20-1
Brandeis    11.273    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    11.261    22-1
Randolph-Macon    11.143    20-1

11-20
Williams    11.136    18-4
Hope    11.087    22-1
Rochester    11.087    17-6
St. John Fisher    11.043    21-2
Pacific Lutheran    11.000    16-2
Bates    10.955    17-5
Richard Stockton    10.833    21-3
Oglethorpe    10.727    18-4
Muhlenberg    10.720    23-2
Carroll    10.700    16-4

21-30
Capital    10.696    20-3
Medaille    10.636    21-1
Wesleyan    10.565    18-5
Cortland State    10.542    21-3
Puget Sound    10.500    19-3
New York University    10.417    18-6
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.400    22-3
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.368    16-3
Mount St. Mary    10.320    22-3
Colby-Sawyer    10.308    22-4

31-40
William Smith    10.286    17-4
Bridgewater (Va.)    10.269    21-5
McMurry    10.217    21-2
Springfield    10.167    18-6
Salem State    10.091    18-4
Maine-Farmington    10.080    21-4
St. Norbert    10.048    15-6
St. Benedict    10.043    19-4
Lawrence    10.000    15-4
Concordia-Moorhead    10.000    19-5

41-50
Greensboro    10.000    16-3
Emmanuel    10.000    18-4
Illinois Wesleyan    10.000    15-6
Maine Maritime    9.960    21-4
Moravian    9.958    19-5
Maryville (Mo.)    9.933    15-0
Wittenberg    9.913    17-6
St. Lawrence    9.909    18-4
Howard Payne    9.870    20-3
Baruch    9.864    18-4

51-60
Norwich    9.857    18-3
Johns Hopkins    9.857    17-4
Ripon    9.810    14-7
Emory    9.800    11-9
Union    9.792    17-7
Franklin    9.783    20-3
UW-Stout    9.762    16-5
New Jersey    9.750    17-7
UW-Oshkosh    9.750    17-7
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.739    19-4

61-70
Mount Holyoke    9.727    17-5
Chicago    9.714    14-7
Chapman    9.714    11-3
Western New England    9.696    18-5
Eastern Connecticut    9.680    19-6
UW-Stevens Point    9.667    17-7
Simpson    9.667    17-1
Trinity (Texas)    9.647    13-4
Calvin    9.647    15-2
Cal Lutheran    9.632    15-4

71-80
Oswego State    9.609    18-5
McDaniel    9.560    19-6
Luther    9.550    17-3
Dickinson    9.542    18-6
Hardin-Simmons    9.522    19-4
Wilmington    9.481    19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.474    15-4
Otterbein    9.440    17-8
Mississippi College    9.417    19-5
Montclair State    9.417    16-8

81-90
Gustavus Adolphus    9.385    19-7
Catholic    9.320    17-8
Piedmont    9.318    17-5
UW-La Crosse    9.318    14-8
Washington and Jefferson    9.300    16-4
Pitt-Greensburg    9.273    17-5
DeSales    9.269    16-10
Endicott    9.240    16-9
Texas-Tyler    9.227    17-5 INELIGIBLE
Clark    9.208    16-8

91-100
Carleton    9.208    17-7
Oneonta State    9.208    17-7
Virginia Wesleyan    9.182    15-7
Wesley    9.182    17-5
Christopher Newport    9.182    14-8
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.174    15-8
Worcester State    9.174    15-8
Rhodes    9.150    14-6
Marymount    9.136    15-7
Salve Regina    9.111    19-8

Pat Coleman · February 25, 2006, 10:46:18 AM

QOWI through Friday, Feb. 25:

1-10
DePauw    12.158    19-0
Bowdoin    12.143    19-2
Scranton    11.900    20-0
Southern Maine    11.760    24-1
Washington U.    11.722    16-2
Mary Washington    11.435    23-0
Messiah    11.381    20-1
Brandeis    11.273    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    11.261    22-1
Williams    11.136    18-4

11-20
Randolph-Macon    11.136    21-1
Hope    11.087    22-1
Pacific Lutheran    11.000    16-2
Rochester    11.000    17-6
Bates    10.955    17-5
St. John Fisher    10.833    22-2
Wesleyan    10.727    18-4
Muhlenberg    10.720    23-2
Capital    10.696    20-3
Richard Stockton    10.640    21-4

21-30
Carroll    10.571    17-4
Puget Sound    10.500    19-3
Cortland State    10.480    22-3
Oglethorpe    10.478    19-4
New York University    10.417    18-6
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.400    22-3
Bridgewater (Va.)    10.370    22-5
William Smith    10.364    18-4
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.350    17-3
Medaille    10.348    22-1

31-40
Mount St. Mary    10.320    22-3
Colby-Sawyer    10.308    22-4
Greensboro    10.250    17-3
McMurry    10.250    22-2
Maine-Farmington    10.192    22-4
Springfield    10.167    18-6
St. Lawrence    10.130    19-4
Norwich    10.091    19-3
St. Norbert    10.091    16-6
Baruch    10.087    19-4

41-50
Salem State    10.087    19-4
Emmanuel    10.087    19-4
Illinois Wesleyan    10.045    16-6
St. Benedict    10.043    19-4
Maine Maritime    10.038    22-4
Concordia-Moorhead    10.000    19-5
New Jersey    9.960    18-7
Moravian    9.958    19-5
Howard Payne    9.833    21-3
Maryville (Mo.)    9.813    16-0

51-60
Eastern Connecticut    9.808    20-6
Nebraska Wesleyan    9.800    3-2
Johns Hopkins    9.762    17-4
UW-Stout    9.762    16-5
Wittenberg    9.750    17-7
Mount Holyoke    9.727    17-5
Chicago    9.714    14-7
Franklin    9.708    21-3
Emory    9.700    11-9
Ripon    9.682    14-8

61-70
Simpson    9.667    17-1
UW-Oshkosh    9.667    17-7
UW-Stevens Point    9.667    17-7
Lawrence    9.650    15-5
Calvin    9.647    15-2
Cal Lutheran    9.632    15-4
Trinity (Texas)    9.611    14-4
Union    9.600    17-8
Western New England    9.583    18-6
Oswego State    9.583    19-5

71-80
McDaniel    9.560    19-6
Luther    9.550    17-3
Dickinson    9.542    18-6
Wilmington    9.481    19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.474    15-4
Otterbein    9.440    17-8
Montclair State    9.417    16-8
Chapman    9.400    11-4
Gustavus Adolphus    9.385    19-7
Catholic    9.320    17-8

81-90
Kenyon    9.318    17-5
UW-La Crosse    9.318    14-8
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.292    20-4
Christopher Newport    9.273    14-8
DeSales    9.269    16-10
Hardin-Simmons    9.250    19-5
Endicott    9.240    16-9
Washington and Jefferson    9.238    17-4
Texas-Tyler    9.227    17-5 INELIGIBLE
Clark    9.208    16-8

91-100
Carleton    9.208    17-7
Wesley    9.182    17-5
Virginia Wesleyan    9.182    15-7
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.174    15-8
Hood    9.158    13-6
Rhodes    9.143    15-6
Marymount    9.136    15-7
Mississippi College    9.120    19-6
Salve Regina    9.111    19-8
Pitt-Greensburg    9.087    18-5

101-110
Worcester State    9.083    15-9
William Paterson    9.080    15-10
Denison    9.045    17-5
Piedmont    9.043    17-6
Millikin    9.000    14-8
Bridgewater State    9.000    16-6
George Fox    9.000    11-6
Oneonta State    8.958    17-7
Nichols    8.875    18-6
Worcester Polytech    8.870    15-8

111-120
Keene State    8.833    15-9
Rockford    8.833    18-6
Lakeland    8.818    16-6
RPI    8.818    13-9
Geneseo State    8.818    14-8
Middlebury    8.818    13-9
Concordia (Wis.)    8.792    18-6
Thomas More    8.773    17-5
Fredonia State    8.720    16-9
Elmira    8.700    13-7

Ralph Turner · February 25, 2006, 11:28:25 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2006, 10:46:18 AM
QOWI through Friday, Feb. 25:

1-10
DePauw    12.158    19-0
Bowdoin    12.143    19-2
Scranton    11.900    20-0
Southern Maine    11.760    24-1
Washington U.    11.722    16-2
Mary Washington    11.435    23-0
Messiah    11.381    20-1
Brandeis    11.273    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    11.261    22-1
Williams    11.136    18-4

11-20
Randolph-Macon    11.136    21-1
Hope    11.087    22-1
Pacific Lutheran    11.000    16-2
Rochester    11.000    17-6
Bates    10.955    17-5
St. John Fisher    10.833    22-2
Wesleyan    10.727    18-4
Muhlenberg    10.720    23-2
Capital    10.696    20-3
Richard Stockton    10.640    21-4

21-30
Carroll    10.571    17-4
Puget Sound    10.500    19-3
Cortland State    10.480    22-3
Oglethorpe    10.478    19-4
New York University    10.417    18-6
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.400    22-3
Bridgewater (Va.)    10.370    22-5
William Smith    10.364    18-4
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.350    17-3
Medaille    10.348    22-1

31-40
Mount St. Mary    10.320    22-3
Colby-Sawyer    10.308    22-4
Greensboro    10.250    17-3
McMurry    10.250    22-2
Maine-Farmington    10.192    22-4
Springfield    10.167    18-6
St. Lawrence    10.130    19-4
Norwich    10.091    19-3
St. Norbert    10.091    16-6
Baruch    10.087    19-4

41-50
Salem State    10.087    19-4
Emmanuel    10.087    19-4
Illinois Wesleyan    10.045    16-6
St. Benedict    10.043    19-4
Maine Maritime    10.038    22-4
Concordia-Moorhead    10.000    19-5
New Jersey    9.960    18-7
Moravian    9.958    19-5
Howard Payne    9.833    21-3
Maryville (Mo.)    9.813    16-0

51-60
Eastern Connecticut    9.808    20-6
Nebraska Wesleyan    9.800    3-2 Pool B candidate
Johns Hopkins    9.762    17-4
UW-Stout    9.762    16-5
Wittenberg    9.750    17-7
Mount Holyoke    9.727    17-5
Chicago    9.714    14-7
Franklin    9.708    21-3
Emory    9.700    11-9
Ripon    9.682    14-8

61-70
Simpson    9.667    17-1
UW-Oshkosh    9.667    17-7
UW-Stevens Point    9.667    17-7
Lawrence    9.650    15-5
Calvin    9.647    15-2
Cal Lutheran    9.632    15-4
Trinity (Texas)    9.611    14-4
Union    9.600    17-8
Western New England    9.583    18-6
Oswego State    9.583    19-5

71-80
McDaniel    9.560    19-6
Luther    9.550    17-3
Dickinson    9.542    18-6
Wilmington    9.481    19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.474    15-4
Otterbein    9.440    17-8
Montclair State    9.417    16-8
Chapman    9.400    11-4 Pool B Candidate
Gustavus Adolphus    9.385    19-7
Catholic    9.320    17-8

81-90
Kenyon    9.318    17-5
UW-La Crosse    9.318    14-8
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.292    20-4 Pool B Candidate
Christopher Newport    9.273    14-8
DeSales    9.269    16-10
Hardin-Simmons    9.250    19-5
Endicott    9.240    16-9
Washington and Jefferson    9.238    17-4 Pool B Candidate
Texas-Tyler    9.227    17-5 INELIGIBLE
Clark    9.208    16-8

91-100
Carleton    9.208    17-7
Wesley    9.182    17-5
Virginia Wesleyan    9.182    15-7
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.174    15-8
Hood    9.158    13-6
Rhodes    9.143    15-6
Marymount    9.136    15-7
Mississippi College    9.120    19-6
Salve Regina    9.111    19-8
Pitt-Greensburg    9.087    18-5

101-110
Worcester State    9.083    15-9
William Paterson    9.080    15-10
Denison    9.045    17-5
Piedmont    9.043    17-6 Pool B Candidate
Millikin    9.000    14-8
Bridgewater State    9.000    16-6
George Fox    9.000    11-6
Oneonta State    8.958    17-7
Nichols    8.875    18-6
Worcester Polytech    8.870    15-8

111-120
Keene State    8.833    15-9
Rockford    8.833    18-6 Pool B Candidate
Lakeland    8.818    16-6
RPI    8.818    13-9
Geneseo State    8.818    14-8
Middlebury    8.818    13-9
Concordia (Wis.)    8.792    18-6
Thomas More    8.773    17-5 Pool B Candidate
Fredonia State    8.720    16-9
Elmira    8.700    13-7

scottiedoug · February 25, 2006, 03:43:53 PM

Maryville (TN) beat Agnes Scott in the GSAC finals 66-29. It probably hurts the QOWI but ought to get them a Pool B.

d3d3 · February 25, 2006, 06:04:35 PM

Anyone have any insight or predictions on the 4 Pool B spots (especially Pat or Ralph)

?

Ralph Turner · February 25, 2006, 08:00:26 PM

Latest Results: Association of Division III Independents
West Coast Championship
Feb. 24
Nebraska Wesleyan University 91, Chapman University 67
Colorado College 68, University of Dallas 58
Feb. 25
Chapman University 65, University of Dallas 61 (Third-Place Game)
Colorado College 73, Nebraska Wesleyan University 68 (OT) (Championship Game)

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/wbasketball/

I think that knocks down Neb Wes.

I don't think that the Chapman (West Region) over UDallas (South Region counts as an in-region game for the NCAA.

The Neb Wes loss is worth 5 points for Chapman.

d3d3 · February 25, 2006, 08:07:28 PM

Looks as if it will be:

Wash and Jeff
Maryville (Tenn)
Chapman

and either:
Piedmont
Nebraska Wesleyan
Thomas More
Rockford

Pat Coleman · February 25, 2006, 08:10:17 PM

Not yet, D3d3, but maybe by the end of the night. Gotta get caught up on stuff.

chapdog · February 25, 2006, 09:04:33 PM

1. Wash & Jeff 18-4, 22-4
2. Maryville 21-4, 22-6
3. Rockford 19-6, 21-6
4. Chapman 11-4, 18-8

Sorry -
5. Piedmont 17-6, 22-7
6. Thomas More 17-6, 20-8

d3d3 · February 26, 2006, 01:13:49 AM

Anybody else have predictions?? Ralph and Pat, I am still waiting!!!