Pool C

[Ralph Turner]

By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.

I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region

Sorry if I lost you.

Oglethorpe's victory over Southwestern only calculates at 11 points on the QOWI scale.  There may be other teams that lost points as they swtiched "strata" on the QWOI scale as well.

The whole Men's Pool C thread over the last 1-2 days and one of the Daily Dose threads talks about the administrative errors in the Handbook and the diferences in theory behindthe QOWI.

I personally need OU to lose so we can get a 4th ASC team into the tourney.  Nothing greedy about me...

[GAVA]

By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.

I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region

Sorry if I lost you.

Oglethorpe's victory over Southwestern only calculates at 11 points on the QOWI scale.  There may be other teams that lost points as they swtiched "strata" on the QWOI scale as well.

Whether a victory is worth 11 or 13 points, I don't understand how the more games you win they more points you lose...........

[Mr. Ypsi]

GAVA,

They didn't lose points for winning.  However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.

[David Collinge]

By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.

I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region

Sorry if I lost you.

Oglethorpe's victory over Southwestern only calculates at 11 points on the QOWI scale.  There may be other teams that lost points as they swtiched "strata" on the QWOI scale as well.

Whether a victory is worth 11 or 13 points, I don't understand how the more games you win they more points you lose...........

QoWI is an average.  You have to gain more points than your current average in order for your score to not decline.  If your QoWI stands at 10, you must get at least 10 points out of your game to maintain your average.  And as Ypsi points out, you could also lose (or gain) points from the results of other games.

[GAVA]

GAVA,

They didn't lose points for winning.  However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.

So upsets in the first round of the conference tournament actually lowers the scores of the winning teams......

[Ralph Turner]

GAVA,

They didn't lose points for winning.  However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.

So upsets in the first round of the conference tournament actually lowers the scores of the winning teams......

GAVA, let's say that your team has played 20 South Region games and has a QOWI of 10.000.  The index is obtained by dividing your 200 QOWI points (15 points for a great win over a 15-7 team on the road, 2 points for a loss at home to an 8-9 team, etc.).  You lose to a 10-12 team at the neutral site to earn 3 points.

200 QOWI points + 3 points in this tourney loss at a neutral site = 203.  Divide that by 21 and your new QOWI = 9.666.

Do you see how that can change the index?

[GAVA]

GAVA,

They didn't lose points for winning.  However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.

So upsets in the first round of the conference tournament actually lowers the scores of the winning teams......

GAVA, let's say that your team has played 20 South Region games and has a QOWI of 10.000.  The index is obtained by dividing your 200 QOWI points (15 points for a great win over a 15-7 team on the road, 2 points for a loss at home to an 8-9 team, etc.).  You lose to a 10-12 team at the neutral site to earn 3 points.

200 QOWI points + 3 points in this tourney loss at a neutral site = 203.  Divide that by 21 and your new QOWI = 9.666.

Do you see how that can change the index?

Yes, but the first two seeds won their games but lost points.....I guess because seeds 3 and 4 were upset?

[Ralph Turner]

GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?

Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. 

[GAVA]

GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?

Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. 

ODAC tourney...RMC and VWC

[GAVA]

GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?

Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. 

ODAC tourney...RMC and VWC

RMC wins again tonight and advances to finals.....hope that didn't cost them more points !!

[Ralph Turner]

GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?

Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. 

ODAC tourney...RMC and VWC

RMC wins again tonight and advances to finals.....hope that didn't cost them more points !!

Your victory over Lynchburg was worth only 9 points towards the QOWI.  That is lower than your average so it pulled the average down.  Duke's women could beat Randy-Mac's women and their RPI would fall on that victory.

That is part of what happened here.  The other parts of the drops were because of a software bug (Post #118 on this board) and because of the interpretation that the NCAA apparently has for QOWI values in the Handbook, and discussed on the Men's QOWI board, beginning on page 19 of the QOWI message board, dated February 23rd.

Does that help you?

[GAVA]

I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
    Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ??

[Ralph Turner]

I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
    Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ??

It should make sense because #7 and #8 are not very good at all.

I think that the Presidents and the AD's should look at the evdience and the impact of what playing #7 and #8 does to the chances of a really worthy #1 getting to host a playoff game or a #2 or #3 has of getting a Pool C at large bid.  The Conference might want to consider a 6-team tourney with a #3-#6/#4-#5 play-in as a home game at #3 and #4.  Almost always your #6 team should have an in-region record of .333.  In fact, W&L is 13-9, a 12 point victory for the #3 team over W&L at home.

Did #1 and #2 really benefit from trouncing #7 and #8?

[GAVA]

I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
    Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ??

It should make sense because #7 and #8 are not very good at all.

I think that the Presidents and the AD's should look at the evdience and the impact of what playing #7 and #8 does to the chances of a really worthy #1 getting to host a playoff game or a #2 or #3 has of getting a Pool C at large bid.  The Conference might want to consider a 6-team tourney with a #3-#6/#4-#5 play-in as a home game at #3 and #4.  Almost always your #6 team should have an in-region record of .333.  In fact, W&L is 13-9, a 12 point victory for the #3 team over W&L at home.

Did #1 and #2 really benefit from trouncing #7 and #8?

Could be worse I guess if they let all 11 teams in the tourney !!!! Don't think you could only have 6 teams play in an 11 team league.

[Ralph Turner]

The Top 4 from each division of the 15-team ASC go to the conference tourney.