Pool C

buf · February 13, 2008, 06:32:48 PM

One thing that I don't really understand with these regional rankings is that they only rank 6 teams in each region (with the exception of 1). That makes a total of 50 ranked teams. There are 63 bids to be handed out.

Mr. Ypsi · February 13, 2008, 07:08:51 PM

Quote from: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:32:48 PM
One thing that I don't really understand with these regional rankings is that they only rank 6 teams in each region (with the exception of 1). That makes a total of 50 ranked teams. There are 63 bids to be handed out.

Good point! The men's list only includes 52 teams, with a field of 59.

While most of the discrepancy comes from pool A teams in conferences too weak to get a ranking, it would be nice if they would go at least two teams deeper in each region to have a better chance of following the fortunes of all B and C teams (the men's list only includes 2 B-eligible teams, one 8th of 8, while there are 4 pool B slots - how do the others rate?).

buf · February 13, 2008, 10:24:30 PM

Personally, I would like them to go 10 deep in each region. That way teams on the bubble know more about where they stand.

LogShow · February 13, 2008, 10:51:47 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:32:48 PM
One thing that I don't really understand with these regional rankings is that they only rank 6 teams in each region (with the exception of 1). That makes a total of 50 ranked teams. There are 63 bids to be handed out.

Good point! The men's list only includes 52 teams, with a field of 59.

While most of the discrepancy comes from pool A teams in conferences too weak to get a ranking, it would be nice if they would go at least two teams deeper in each region to have a better chance of following the fortunes of all B and C teams (the men's list only includes 2 B-eligible teams, one 8th of 8, while there are 4 pool B slots - how do the others rate?).

Good point...it would just give a better perspective

Pat Coleman · February 14, 2008, 09:28:30 PM

Yep, but then it would commit the committee to a particular ranking, and the NCAA doesn't seem to like to commit to a ranking.

buf · February 17, 2008, 10:56:29 PM

Here's an updated list of Pool C contenders (by conference, regional record listed):

2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 17)
West
MIAC- St. Bens (18-4)
IIAC- Simpson (17-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (13-3)
NWC- George Fox (13-2), Puget Sound (14-2)

Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (19-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (18-2), Carroll (16-4), Lake Forest (18-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (15-3)
UAA- Rochester (16-4), Wash U (13-4), Brandeis (17-4), Chicago (15-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-4), UWW (19-2), Stevens Point (18-4)

Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (21-0), Albion (14-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (16-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (21-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (14-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2)

South
GSAC- Piedmont (16-3)
SCAC- DePauw (20-1), Oglethorpe (18-3), Trinity (16-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (16-3)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (17-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (21-0), McMurry (20-2)

Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (18-2), Albright (17-3), Lebanon Valley (19-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (16-4)
MACF- DeSales (21-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (17-4)

Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (21-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (20-1), Marymount (19-3)
NJAC- Kean (20-2), New Jersey (17-5), William Patterson (18-5), Rutgers-Newark (18-5)

East
E8- Stevens (19-4)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (19-3), Cortland State (14-4)
LL- William Smith (17-2), St. Lawrence (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2), Lake Erie (14-4)

Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-5), Amherst (21-2), Tufts (21-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (15-4)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (21-2), Western Conn (16-4), Eastern Conn (19-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (17-2), Salem State (18-2)

Ralph Turner · February 17, 2008, 11:12:00 PM

The North Atlantic Conference is a Pool A conference.
The AMCC (Medaille/Lake Erie) is a multi-region conference, Great Lakes and East Regions.

LogShow · February 18, 2008, 04:05:54 PM

Does Puget Sound make a pretty good case for a Pool C team?

pabegg · February 18, 2008, 06:30:01 PM

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall

NE 16 01 01 0.6933 0.6456 0.5691 Tufts 002 A w C 21-2 21-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6450 0.5556 0.5558 Southern Maine 008 A w C 21-2 21-2
NE 16 03 03 0.6332 0.5310 0.5576 Amherst 013 C 1 21-2 22-2
NE 14 04 04 0.6345 0.5494 0.5393 Salem State 015 A w C 18-2 18-4
NE 90 05 06 0.6526 0.6086 0.5836 Brandeis 021 C 4 17-4 17-5
NE 13 06 08 0.6256 0.5636 0.5490 Eastern Connecticut 029 C 9 19-4 19-4
NE 14 07 07 0.5892 0.4677 0.5269 Bridgewater State 037 C 13 17-2 17-4
NE 16 08 05 0.6422 0.6270 0.5650 Bowdoin 046 C 19 15-5 17-7
NE 13 09 09 0.5958 0.5138 0.5462 Western Connecticut 047 C 20 17-4 18-4
NE 17 10 10 0.5798 0.4961 0.5269 Coast Guard 060 A second 16-4 18-4
NE 16 11 12 0.6203 0.6124 0.5608 Wesleyan 063 C second 16-7 16-8

EA 24 01 01 0.6346 0.5480 0.5478 William Smith 017 A w C 17-2 19-2
EA 90 02 02 0.6707 0.6574 0.5681 Rochester 020 A w C 16-4 18-4
EA 61 03 03 0.6020 0.5048 0.4938 Medaille 026 A w C 19-2 21-2
EA 23 04 04 0.5946 0.5048 0.5188 Brockport State 038 A w C 17-3 20-4
EA 24 05 07 0.5914 0.5191 0.5379 St. Lawrence 055 C second 15-4 19-4
EA 21 06 05 0.5754 0.4876 0.5001 Stevens 056 A second 19-4 20-4
EA 23 07 06 0.5882 0.5232 0.5286 Cortland State 062 C second 14-4 18-4
EA 23 08 09 0.5722 0.5230 0.5288 New Paltz State 083 15-6 18-6
EA 23 09 08 0.5634 0.5154 0.5229 Oneonta State 092 14-6 16-7

AT 32 01 01 0.6540 0.5812 0.5447 Kean 007 A w C 20-2 21-2
AT 41 02 02 0.6369 0.5338 0.5299 Mary Washington 011 A w C 19-1 21-2
AT 41 03 03 0.6457 0.5974 0.5244 Marymount 014 C 2 19-3 20-3
AT 33 04 04 0.6226 0.5371 0.5032 Mount St. Mary 018 A w C 21-2 21-2
AT 32 05 05 0.6537 0.6441 0.5539 New Jersey 033 C 11 17-5 18-5
AT 32 06 06 0.6287 0.5950 0.5423 William Paterson 041 C 15 18-5 18-5
AT 31 07 07 0.5888 0.5227 0.4918 Baruch 052 A second 18-4 20-6
AT 32 08 09 0.5746 0.4989 0.5182 Rutgers-Newark 066 C third 18-5 19-5
AT 33 09 08 0.5820 0.5398 0.4867 Farmingdale State 069 C third 16-5 16-5

MA 42 01 01 0.6904 0.6571 0.5527 Messiah 009 A w C 17-2 21-2
MA 43 02 03 0.6431 0.5866 0.5241 DeSales 016 A w C 21-3 21-3
MA 42 03 02 0.6423 0.5905 0.5381 Albright 019 C 3 17-3 19-4
MA 46 04 04 0.6317 0.5934 0.5306 Scranton 030 B 1 17-4 18-5
MA 42 05 05 0.5896 0.4869 0.5209 Lebanon Valley 042 C 16 19-3 20-3
MA 44 06 06 0.5940 0.5445 0.5042 Gwynedd-Mercy 054 A second 18-5 19-5
MA 45 07 07 0.5789 0.5131 0.5069 Muhlenberg 065 A third 18-5 18-5
MA 45 08 08 0.5660 0.4914 0.5191 Dickinson 078 16-5 16-6
MA 44 09 10 0.5456 0.4501 0.4823 Misericordia 079 16-4 18-6

SO 51 01 01 0.6673 0.5811 0.5071 Howard Payne 001 A w C 21-0 23-0
SO 51 02 02 0.6107 0.5097 0.5144 McMurry 022 C 5 20-2 20-3
SO 54 03 03 0.6313 0.5646 0.5389 Oglethorpe 023 C 6 18-3 20-3
SO 52 04 05 0.6038 0.5420 0.4893 Piedmont 034 A w C 16-3 20-3
SO 53 05 04 0.5980 0.5083 0.5255 Randolph-Macon 036 A w C 17-3 19-3
SO 54 06 06 0.6182 0.5763 0.5201 Trinity (Texas) 039 C 14 16-4 17-5
SO 55 07 07 0.5825 0.5008 0.4783 Christopher Newport 049 A second 17-3 18-4
SO 53 08 10 0.5908 0.5305 0.5195 Virginia Wesleyan 058 C second 18-5 19-5
SO 51 09 08 0.5843 0.5188 0.5167 Hardin-Simmons 061 C second 185 18-5

GL 54 01 01 0.6589 0.5754 0.5405 DePauw 003 A w C 17-1 20-3
GL 65 02 04 0.6491 0.5440 0.5084 Thomas More 004 A w C 19-0 23-0
GL 64 03 03 0.6449 0.5641 0.5383 Baldwin-Wallace 010 A w C 21-2 21-2
GL 62 04 02 0.6342 0.5065 0.5236 Hope 012 A w C 20-0 22-0
GL 62 05 05 0.5889 0.5062 0.5198 Albion 050 C second 14-3 19-4
GL 64 06 07 0.6248 0.5991 0.5390 Wilmington 051 C second 16-5 18-5
GL 64 07 06 0.6172 0.6074 0.5265 Ohio Northern 059 C second 16-6 17-6
GL 65 08 08 0.5764 0.5224 0.4960 Washington and Jefferson 072 C third 13-4 17-6
GL 63 09 09 0.5428 0.4276 0.4736 Kenyon 074 A third 16-3 18-6

MW 86 01 01 0.6821 0.6303 0.5632 UW-Whitewater 005 A w C 19-2 21-2
MW 74 02 05 0.6144 0.5186 0.5203 St. Norbert 024 A w C 18-2 18-5
MW 86 03 02 0.6432 0.6045 0.5637 UW-Eau Claire 027 C 7 16-4 18-5
MW 86 04 08 0.6251 0.5688 0.5445 UW-Stevens Point 031 C 10 18-4 19-4
MW 71 05 06 0.5924 0.4659 0.5331 Illinois Wesleyan 032 A w C 19-2 21-2
MW 90 06 03 0.6477 0.6259 0.5742 Washington U. 035 C 12 13-4 16-6
MW 74 07 07 0.6028 0.5455 0.5201 Carroll 043 C 17 16-4 17-4
MW 76 08 11 0.5942 0.5391 0.4749 Maryville (Mo.) 044 A w C 14-3 19-3
MW 71 09 04 0.6168 0.5734 0.5308 Carthage 045 C 18 15-4 17-6

WE 81 01 01 0.6464 0.5502 0.5405 Simpson 006 A w C 17-1 21-2
WE 83 02 02 0.6159 0.5361 0.5249 George Fox 025 A w C 13-2 20-3
WE 83 03 03 0.6111 0.5230 0.5237 Puget Sound 028 C 8 14-2 19-4
WE 89 04 04 0.6026 0.5521 0.4826 Chapman 040 B 2 14-3 21-3
WE 82 05 05 0.5788 0.4932 0.5107 St. Benedict 057 A second 18-4 20-4
WE 81 06 06 0.5734 0.5094 0.5357 Coe 077 C third 17-6 18-6
WE 84 07 10 0.5423 0.4406 0.4878 Occidental 081 A other 12-3 18-5
WE 82 08 09 0.5678 0.5314 0.5127 Gustavus Adolphus 090 16-7 16-7
WE 83 09 11 0.5611 0.5072 0.5243 Lewis and Clark 091 12-5 14-10

Reg Region
Conf Conference number
Rank Regional ranking
Prior Prior regional ranking
School
Natl National ranking based on regional results
Status
B + number: Pool B ranking (top 3 in tournament)
C + number: Pool C ranking of 21 teams in tournament
C second: second tier Pool C (spots 22-31)
C third: third tier Pool C (spots 32-41)
A w C: Pool A, in likely Pool C range
A second: Pool A, in second tier Pool C
A third: Pool A, in third tier Pool C
blank: lower level Pool C

Here's my first run on the women's side for the rating system that I'm using to model the NCAA regional rankings.

As with the men, I'm publishing three teams beyond the number that the NCAA shows in its rankings.

For those of you who haven't seen this before, I'm packing quite a bit in here and it does get a little complicated.

BJ - DSU SID · February 18, 2008, 06:35:01 PM

PABegg,

If I had 200+ posts, I'd award you as many Karma points as possible. This chart is very nice. I am a chart man myself and I can't get enough of this one.

Ralph Turner · February 18, 2008, 06:40:33 PM

pabegg,
Whom do you have a Pool B #3?

Concordia WI? Juniata? Wisconsin Lutheran?

How far down into the Central Region do we need to go to get to Concordia WI?

pabegg · February 18, 2008, 06:55:17 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 06:40:33 PM
pabegg,
Whom do you have a Pool B #3?

Concordia WI? Juniata? Wisconsin Lutheran?

How far down into the Central Region do we need to go to get to Concordia WI?

I've got Concordia WI and Moravian essentially tied for the last spot.

Concordia is #14 (Chicago, Lake Forest, Stout, and Millikin at 10-13). Moravian is #10 in the Mid-Atlantic.

Juniata and Wisconsin Lutheran would be the next 2 B candidates, probably about a game back.

sac · February 18, 2008, 07:48:44 PM

How many total bids on the women's side?

Hoosier Titan · February 18, 2008, 07:50:20 PM

pabegg,

Well done--thank you!

pabegg · February 18, 2008, 07:52:02 PM

Quote from: sac on February 18, 2008, 07:48:44 PM
How many total bids on the women's side?

63 total
39 A (same as men plus GSAC has an autobid)
3 B
21 C