Pool C

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2008, 11:18:41 PM

Quote from: buf on February 28, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
Whitewater lost tonight. One pool C bid gone!

I actually looked at the Central Region Rankings and saw three bids (2 "C's" and 1 "A") from the WIAC.

We just determined the first "C".

pabegg · February 28, 2008, 11:20:27 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
Whitewater lost tonight. One pool C bid gone!
I actually looked at the Central Region Rankings and saw three bids (2 "C's" and 1 "A") from the WIAC.

We just determined the first "C".

Yeah, no matter who lost tonight in this game, we had the first C. Still hasn't happened on the men's side.

iwumichigander · February 29, 2008, 05:47:39 PM

Quote from: bbald eagle on February 27, 2008, 03:30:18 PM
You are right. It has been corrected. Perhaps the NCAA checks this board? 8)

More like this board checks the NCAA

jagluski · March 01, 2008, 03:33:53 PM

Chicago beats Wash U 76-53 to win the Pool A bid from the UAA. Wash U will need a Pool C berth to get into the tournament.

Mr. Ypsi · March 01, 2008, 04:41:33 PM

I'd have to check the manual to be sure, but I'm not sure it is legal to have an NCAA tourney without the Wash U women!

thebear · March 01, 2008, 05:15:16 PM

Brockport leading Cortland by 14 in the second half, Brockport will likely control the Pool A & SUNYAC will be a one-bid conference.

Just Bill · March 01, 2008, 05:43:10 PM

FINAL!

Stevens Point 62, Eau Claire 50

EC outshoots SP, but Point turns the ball over just 10 times (EC had 18), and holds a huge advantage at the foul line 20-23 compared to EC's 4-10. EC doesn't score a point over the final 3:52.

Point is in, Whitewater would seem to be a Pool C lock. Eau Claire should be in, but they will have the most nervous Sunday.

Ralph Turner · March 01, 2008, 08:56:06 PM

HPU versus McMurry on Sunday for the title.

DePauw versus Oglethorpe (if OU holds their 17 point lead over Trinity TX with 5 minutes left in the first half). Final OU 73, Trinity 70. (TU misses a 3FG at the buzzer.)

Greensboro won the USA South and Piedmont won the GSAC, so this part of the South is stable.

There are 2 Pool C bids from the South.

Three Pool C bids from the South...McMurry, Oglethorpe and Trinity TX!

jagluski · March 02, 2008, 10:09:23 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2008, 04:41:33 PM
I'd have to check the manual to be sure, but I'm not sure it is legal to have an NCAA tourney without the Wash U women!

Don't worry...it didn't happen!

Rick Akins · March 03, 2008, 12:00:14 AM

I admit I do not follow closely or understand the intricacies of all the primary and secondary selection criteria especially the OWP and OOWP, BUT HOW IS A TEAM IN THE TOURNAMENT WITH A 18-9 OVERALL AND 16-6 Conference RECORD? In the d3 hoops.com projections they were not even in the last 7 or so left out. I am sure there are many others all over the country with better resumes. For example in the conference with which I am most familiar (the ASC) Hardin-Simmons has 6 total losses (3 to #2 HPU, 2 to #8 McMurry and the other to Trinity(Tx), another team in the field.

Someone please enlighten me. I am confused but I can be convinced. GA was not even in the last regional rankings if I am not mistaken.

gacbacker · March 03, 2008, 12:06:28 AM

Rick- I'm not going to try to convince you, because I am fairly shocked myself. All I can say is that GAC had wins over UW-Eau Claire, Carleton and St. Thomas who are all in the tournament. They had another quality win over St. Ben's, and a close loss to Maryville.

Ralph Turner · March 03, 2008, 12:29:19 AM

Quote from: Rick Akins on March 03, 2008, 12:00:14 AM
I admit I do not follow closely or understand the intricacies of all the primary and secondary selection criteria especially the OWP and OOWP, BUT HOW IS A TEAM IN THE TOURNAMENT WITH A 18-9 OVERALL AND 16-6 Conference RECORD? In the d3 hoops.com projections they were not even in the last 7 or so left out. I am sure there are many others all over the country with better resumes. For example in the conference with which I am most familiar (the ASC) Hardin-Simmons has 6 total losses (3 to #2 HPU, 2 to #8 McMurry and the other to Trinity(Tx), another team in the field.

Someone please enlighten me. I am confused but I can be convinced. GA was not even in the last regional rankings if I am not mistaken.

Rick, I think that HSU was at the table from the South Region when the last Pool C bid was given out.

HSU's record against in-region ranked teams was 0-6. We have very low OWP and OOWP's in this conference, and I think that it may take 2-3 years for the NCAA to figure out how to handle this.

As I look at these numbers, I think that a team should not lose a game that it should not lose. If there was one in the HPU/McM/Trinity stack then that may be the game that kept you out. I think that that game was either McMurry, the second time, or Trinity the first time.

The South Region record for HSU was 21-6 and the Cowgirls and an in-region record against ranked teams of 0-6.

Trinity's was 1-4 (HSU win and losses to George Fox, Oglethorpe twice and DePauw once).

Trinity edges HSU on the criterion of in-region head-to-head. Trinity was ranked ahead of HSU in the last published regional rankings re-produced in the Daily Dose last Wednesday.

If Gustavus Adolphus is the last women's team off the board, they had an in-region record of 18-9. Their record versus in-region ranked teams was 3-3 (UWEC, St Benedict and St Thomas), and they also had a loss against Pool A Maryville MO and split with MIAC Pool A, Carleton. I can see how the committee thought that GAC has a stronger credential. We didn't see the final Regional Rankings, and we know that they have deeper regional rankings than the 6-8 teams per region that we see. That is a 4-5 record against teams in the tourney.

Rick Akins · March 03, 2008, 12:08:31 PM

Thanks for the GAC explanation. I wasn't really advocating for HSU, and I see if you beat several teams in the field or regionally ranked teams it gets you noticed and helps under the criteria. It still seems a little unusual that Pat Coleman and his team of D3 gurus hit 62 of 63, but the last was not even on their board at the end. LET THE GAMES BEGIN.

I know it is really a geographic thing, but as an HPU fan it still makes me feel good to see we got a bye, and see Meia Daniels on the front page of D3hoops.com today.

Pat Coleman · March 04, 2008, 01:23:29 AM

The only reason GAC wasn't on the board at the end was because the very last team we selected was from the West. So technically there wasn't any West Region team on the board at the end because we put that West team in the field.

Rick Akins · March 04, 2008, 04:06:41 PM

I see now Pat . Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the "move up and compare" process for completing the field by looking at the next team in each region. I wasn't thinking that each of the remaining teams on your board you mentioned were the next team from each region. My mistake--I feel better now.