Pool C

[scottiedawg]

Agreed. Webster is not currently regionally ranked and hasn't done anything to change that.

Webster might've had a shot to get into the bottom of weaker regions like 1, 4, 3, 3, but unfortunately for them, not in Region 8. And even if they did sneak into region 8, it would be near the bottom, and they likely would never make it to the selection table.

[scottiedawg]

Bates takes down Trinity!!  Bates needs the Pool A. I think this moves Trinity down onto the Bubble.

[Riley Zayas]

No conference games in the first round is set in stone, as far as I know. They'll do extra flights to prevent it. Second round conference games are what they sacrifice to geography.

Oh ok, that makes sense. I had been thinking about the second round games, which makes sense on that front as well.

[Riley Zayas]

Bates takes down Trinity!!  Bates needs the Pool A. I think this moves Trinity down onto the Bubble.

When looking at the NESCAC games last night that were scheduled for today, I liked Bates' chances. The Bobcats have looked good from what I've seen of them for the majority of this season, aside from a few rough NESCAC losses. Held Trinity to 18 percent from 3.

[scottiedawg]

Southern Virginia will absolutely move into the final regional rankings in Region 06. That's good for: CNU and maybe Berea.

[scottiedawg]

A bubble has burst with SUNY New Paltz beating Cortland St.   I think Cortland is in good shape for a Pool C bid, while Paltz needed the Pool A.

[scottiedawg]

Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.

For sure...UTD is playing for its season and it showed today. Both UMHB and ETBU seem to deserve at-large bids, but now either HSU or UTD will also get in. Does ASC warrant 3 tournament teams? And if not, who gets the at-large bid? UMHB and ETBU split the season series, both have a loss to UTD, and ETBU lost on its home floor in conference tournament. A lot of similarities. Massey had ETBU at 33 and UMHB at 57 entering tonight.

Agreed. I think MHB, ETBU, and HSU are all firmly above the Pool C cut line.

If Texas-Dallas wins the Pool A, I absolutely expect 4 from the conference.

If UTD wins the AQ there will be serious discussion for 4 teams from the ARC.

[scottiedawg]

Wittenberg takes the NCAC Pool A bid.

I think Ohio Wesleyan is on the bubble, and unlikely to get a Pool C.

[scottiedawg]

Pomona Pitzer grabbing the SCIAC Pool A Redlands NOT grabbing the SCIAC Pool A hurts UCSC. If Santa Cruz can move ahead of Redlands in the final regional rankings, I think they'll have a shot at one of the last few Pool C spots. Otherwise I don't think they ever see the table.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I'm doing it on the mens side so I'll do it here for the women too. This is just how things stack up for the most recent regional rankings. Rankings can change obviously but this gets everything into one place.

Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C


Region 1           
1   Amherst   20-2   20-2
2   Tufts   20-3   20-3
3   Emmanuel    22-1   22-1
4   Trinity (Conn.)   16-5   17-5
5   Bates   15-7   15-7
6   St. Joseph's (Maine)   20-4   20-4
7   Husson   17-5   18-5
8   Maine Maritime   18-4   20-4
9   Framingham State   20-3   20-3
NR   SUNYIT

5 Bates vs 1 Amherst in NESCAC final tomorrow
6 St Joseph's (ME) vs 3 Emmanuel in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 2           
1   Smith   21-2   21-2
2   Springfield   21-3   21-3
3   Roger Williams   22-2   22-2
4   Babson   17-6   17-6
5   WPI   18-4   18-4
6   Rhode Island College   20-5   20-5
7   U. of New England   17-8   17-8
NR   Mitchell

4 Babson vs 1 Smith in NEWMAC final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 3           
1   Ithaca   22-3   22-3
2   St. John Fisher   23-2   23-2
3   Cortland   20-4   20-4
4   SUNY New Paltz   18-6   18-6
5   Hartwick   18-6   18-6
6   Rochester    15-9   15-9
7   Mt. St. Mary   21-3   21-3
8   Vassar   17-7   17-7

St Lawrence vs 1 Ithaca in LL final tomorrow

           
Region 4           
1   NYU   21-1   21-1
2   DeSales   18-3   18-3
3   Stevens   17-6   17-6
4   Kean   17-6   17-6
5   Rowan   16-8   16-8
6   King's    16-7   16-8
7   Brooklyn   19-3   19-3
NR   Morrisville St
NR   NJAC Champ

TCNJ vs New Jersey City in NJAC final 7pm
3 Stevens vs 2 DeSales in MACF final tomorrow 1pm

           
Region 5           
1   Scranton   23-2   23-2
2   Gettysburg   22-3   22-3
3   Messiah   20-3   20-3
4   Johns Hopkins   21-3   21-3
5   Elizabethtown   20-4   20-4
6   Catholic   19-4   19-4
7   Salisbury   17-5   19-5
8   York (Pa.)   19-5   19-5
9   Marymount    16-7   16-7
NR   Immaculata
NR   Clarks Summit

Widener vs 3 Messiah in MACC final tomorrow

           
Region 6           
1   Christopher Newport   22-0   22-0
2   Rhodes   19-2   21-2
3   Washington and Lee   19-5   19-5
4   Mary Washington   16-8   17-8
5   Roanoke   20-5   20-5
6   Emory   15-8   15-8
7   Berea   18-4   20-5
8   Piedmont   20-5   20-5
NR   Southern Virginia
NR   ODAC Champ

Shenandoah vs TBD in ODAC final tomorrow
2 Rhodes vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow

           
Region 7           
1   DePauw   22-2   22-2
2   Trine   22-2   22-2
3   Hope   21-1   23-1
4   John Carroll   20-3   20-3
5   Baldwin Wallace   18-4   18-4
6   Marietta   21-4   21-4
7   Otterbein   18-6   18-6
8   Calvin   18-7   18-7
9   Oberlin   20-3   20-3
10   Ohio Northern   16-7   16-7
NR   La Roche
NR   Wittenberg
NR   Washington & Jefferson

3 Hope vs 2 Trine in MIAA final 7pm

           
Region 8           
1   Transylvania   22-0   22-0
2   Wisconsin Lutheran   20-1   20-1
3   Millikin   20-5   20-5
4   Illinois Wesleyan   17-8   17-8
5   Carroll    18-6   18-6
6   Chicago   14-9   14-9
7   North Park   15-9   15-9
8   Wheaton (Ill.)   15-10   15-10
9   St. Norbert   17-7   17-7
NR   SLIAC Champ

Westminster vs Webster in SLIAC final 8pm
9 St Norbert vs 2 Wisconsin Lutheran in NACC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 9           
1   Simpson   23-1   23-1
2   UW-Whitewater   22-3   22-3
3   UW-Eau Claire   18-7   18-7
4   UW-Oshkosh   18-5   18-5
5   Wartburg   19-4   20-4
6   Loras   18-7   18-7
7   Bethany Lutheran   18-7   18-7
8   Northwestern (Minn.)   18-4   18-5
9   Augsburg   19-5   19-5
NR   MWC Champ
NR   UMAC Champ

Monmouth vs Ripon in MWC final 6pm
Gustavus Adolphus vs 9 Augsburg in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Minnesota-Morris vs North Central (MN) in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 10           
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   21-3   21-3
2   Whitman   20-1   24-1
3   East Texas Baptist   19-4   19-4
4   Trinity (Texas)   23-2   23-2
5   Hardin-Simmons   18-4   18-4
6   Redlands   18-3   18-4
7   UC Santa Cruz   8-3   15-3
8   Puget Sound   17-4   20-4
NR   SCIAC Champ

UT-Dallas vs 5 Hardin Simmons in ASC final 7pm
Whittier vs Pomona Pitzer in SCIAC final 8pm
Pacific vs 2 Whitman in NWC final 10pm
TBD vs 4 Trinity in SCAC final tomorrow

[scottiedawg]

Sounds insane, but if Shenandoah closes out Washington & Lee, I think they could move from unranked in Region 6, to #3. It won't matter THAT much for them, since they will have secured a Pool A. But the resumes #2-#8 in Region 6 are so so close.

Southern Virginia could also move to #3.

[scottiedawg]

Millikin going down in the CCIW semis looks like a Bid Thief situation to me.

I think Carroll is on the bubble, and IWU may be close to the bubble now, but I think both are still on the outside looking in for a Pool C bid.

Wheaton definitely needs the Pool A.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Millikin going down in the CCIW semis looks like a Bid Thief situation to me.

I think Carroll is on the bubble, and IWU may be close to the bubble now, but I think both are still on the outside looking in for a Pool C bid.

Wheaton definitely needs the Pool A.

Have no idea what you are talking about.  IWU beat Carroll in the semis; Millikin beat Wheaton in the semis.  Tonite, IWU beat Millikin in the final.  The Titans get Pool A; Millikin deserves Pool C.  Carroll is Kaput.

[scottiedawg]

Millikin going down in the CCIW semis looks like a Bid Thief situation to me.

I think Carroll is on the bubble, and IWU may be close to the bubble now, but I think both are still on the outside looking in for a Pool C bid.

Wheaton definitely needs the Pool A.

Have no idea what you are talking about.  IWU beat Carroll in the semis; Millikin beat Wheaton in the semis.  Tonite, IWU beat Millikin in the final.  The Titans get Pool A; Millikin deserves Pool C.  Carroll is Kaput.

Hah I'm a full game behind.

What Mr. Ypsi said.

So this was indeed a Bid Thief result.

[scottiedawg]

The committee breathes a sigh of relief with Hardin-Simmons locking down a Pool A.