Pool C

[scottiedawg]

I count 5 potential bid thieves.

Potential Bid Thieves:
St. Lawrence
Widener
St. Norbert
Bates
Pacific

Which would mean whatever you think are the top 15 Pool C teams at the moment, they are safe.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

This is how things stack up for the most recent regional rankings. Rankings can change obviously but this gets everything into one place.

Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C


Region 1           
1   Amherst   20-2   20-2
2   Tufts   20-3   20-3
3   Emmanuel    22-1   22-1
4   Trinity (Conn.)   16-5   17-5
5   Bates   15-7   15-7
6   St. Joseph's (Maine)   20-4   20-4
7   Husson   17-5   18-5
8   Maine Maritime   18-4   20-4
9   Framingham State   20-3   20-3
NR   SUNYIT

5 Bates vs 1 Amherst in NESCAC final tomorrow
6 St Joseph's (ME) vs 3 Emmanuel in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 2           
1   Smith   21-2   21-2
2   Springfield   21-3   21-3
3   Roger Williams   22-2   22-2
4   Babson   17-6   17-6
5   WPI   18-4   18-4
6   Rhode Island College   20-5   20-5
7   U. of New England   17-8   17-8
NR   Mitchell

4 Babson vs 1 Smith in NEWMAC final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 3           
1   Ithaca   22-3   22-3
2   St. John Fisher   23-2   23-2
3   Cortland   20-4   20-4
4   SUNY New Paltz   18-6   18-6
5   Hartwick   18-6   18-6
6   Rochester    15-9   15-9
7   Mt. St. Mary   21-3   21-3
8   Vassar   17-7   17-7

St Lawrence vs 1 Ithaca in LL final tomorrow

           
Region 4           
1   NYU   21-1   21-1
2   DeSales   18-3   18-3
3   Stevens   17-6   17-6
4   Kean   17-6   17-6
5   Rowan   16-8   16-8
6   King's    16-7   16-8
7   Brooklyn   19-3   19-3
NR   Morrisville St
NR   New Jersey City

3 Stevens vs 2 DeSales in MACF final tomorrow 1pm

           
Region 5           
1   Scranton   23-2   23-2
2   Gettysburg   22-3   22-3
3   Messiah   20-3   20-3
4   Johns Hopkins   21-3   21-3
5   Elizabethtown   20-4   20-4
6   Catholic   19-4   19-4
7   Salisbury   17-5   19-5
8   York (Pa.)   19-5   19-5
9   Marymount    16-7   16-7
NR   Immaculata
NR   Clarks Summit

Widener vs 3 Messiah in MACC final tomorrow

           
Region 6           
1   Christopher Newport   22-0   22-0
2   Rhodes   19-2   21-2
3   Washington and Lee   19-5   19-5
4   Mary Washington   16-8   17-8
5   Roanoke   20-5   20-5
6   Emory   15-8   15-8
7   Berea   18-4   20-5
8   Piedmont   20-5   20-5
NR   Southern Virginia
NR   ODAC Champ

Shenandoah vs Randolph-Macon in ODAC final tomorrow
2 Rhodes vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow

           
Region 7           
1   DePauw   22-2   22-2
2   Trine   22-2   22-2
3   Hope   21-1   23-1
4   John Carroll   20-3   20-3
5   Baldwin Wallace   18-4   18-4
6   Marietta   21-4   21-4
7   Otterbein   18-6   18-6
8   Calvin   18-7   18-7
9   Oberlin   20-3   20-3
10   Ohio Northern   16-7   16-7
NR   La Roche
NR   Wittenberg
NR   Washington & Jefferson

           
Region 8           
1   Transylvania   22-0   22-0
2   Wisconsin Lutheran   20-1   20-1
3   Millikin   20-5   20-5
4   Illinois Wesleyan   17-8   17-8
5   Carroll    18-6   18-6
6   Chicago   14-9   14-9
7   North Park   15-9   15-9
8   Wheaton (Ill.)   15-10   15-10
9   St. Norbert   17-7   17-7
NR   SLIAC Champ

Westminster vs Webster in SLIAC final 8pm
9 St Norbert vs 2 Wisconsin Lutheran in NACC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 9           
1   Simpson   23-1   23-1
2   UW-Whitewater   22-3   22-3
3   UW-Eau Claire   18-7   18-7
4   UW-Oshkosh   18-5   18-5
5   Wartburg   19-4   20-4
6   Loras   18-7   18-7
7   Bethany Lutheran   18-7   18-7
8   Northwestern (Minn.)   18-4   18-5
9   Augsburg   19-5   19-5
NR   Ripon
NR   UMAC Champ

Gustavus Adolphus vs 9 Augsburg in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Minnesota-Morris vs North Central (MN) in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 10           
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   21-3   21-3
2   Whitman   20-1   24-1
3   East Texas Baptist   19-4   19-4
4   Trinity (Texas)   23-2   23-2
5   Hardin-Simmons   18-4   18-4
6   Redlands   18-3   18-4
7   UC Santa Cruz   8-3   15-3
8   Puget Sound   17-4   20-4
NR   Whittier

Pacific vs 2 Whitman in NWC final 10pm
Colorado College vs 4 Trinity in SCAC final tomorrow 3pm

[Baldini]

AMCC - La Roche
ARC - Simpson
ASC - Hardin-Simmons
AEC - Immaculata
CC - Gettysburg
CUNYAC - Brooklyn
C2C - Christopher Newport
CCIW - IWU
CSAC - Clarks Summit
CCC - Roger Williams
E8 - St. John Fisher
GNAC - Emmanuel 
HCAC - Transylvania
LAND - Scranton
Liberty - Ithaca
LEC - Rhode Island College
MACC - Messiah
MACF - DeSales
MIAA - Hope
MASCAC - Framingham St.
MIAC - Gustavus Adolphus
MWC - Ripon
NECC - Mitchell
NESCAC - Bates
NEWMAC - Smith
NJAC - New Jersey City
NAC - SUNYIT
NCAC - Wittenburg
NACC - Wisconsin Lutheran
NWC - Whitman
OAC - Baldwin Wallace
ODAC - Shenandoah
PAC - Washington & Jefferson
SKY - Mount St. Mary
SAA - Rhodes
SCIAC - Whittier
SCAC - Trinity or Colorado College
SLIAC - Webster
SUNYAC - SUNY New Paltz
UEC - Morrisville St.
UAA - NYU
UMAC - North Central (Minn)
USAC - Southern Virginia
WIAC - UW-EC

[scottiedawg]

The final regional rankings in Region 05 will be so critical for which teams garner Pool C bids.

I think the order #4-#7 should be:
Johns Hopkins
Catholic
Salisbury
Elizabethtown

and I have all 4 currently within my Pool C teams.

But the teams that end up 6th and 7th could have a hard getting to the table, especially if there's a bid thief or two tomorrow (or 1 tonight).

The resumes are all "Pool C worthy" resumes. But the strength of the region may prevent 1-2 from getting to the table.

That said, these teams that will probably be ranked 5th or higher in their regions--not sure any of them get picked over a Region 05 team:
Stevens
Cortland St.
UW-Oshkosh
Carroll
Washington & Lee
Bates
Trinity CT


I think regions 5 and 7 could dominate Pool C bids, leaving the other 8 regions pretty static in the table.

Regardless of what happens tomorrow in the ODAC and SAA,  I think Region 6 (a) never gets a 2nd team to the table, (b) doesn't have a single Pool C selection.   

[scottiedawg]

Pacific replacing Puget Sound in the Region 10 rankings would be amazing for Whitman, adding 3 wins vRRO for them.

Not sure if that changes much. So much of Hosting and "Seeding" when it comes to Whitman is dictated by geography.

[scottiedawg]

I count 5 potential bid thieves.

Potential Bid Thieves:
St. Lawrence
Widener
St. Norbert
Bates
Pacific

Which would mean whatever you think are the top 15 Pool C teams at the moment, they are safe.

The win over Vassar helped St. Lawrence in the three big ways: WP, SOS, and vRRO. With their SOS now above the "optically bad" threshold of 0.500, and now with 2 wins v RRO, I think St. Lawrence has played themselves into Pool C territory, even if they lose tomorrow.

Pacific getting smoked early by Whitman.

We may be down to only three potential bid thieves.

[Baldini]

* At first, I put Cortland ahead of Salisbury but going to switch those two. The last few are still very much in danger of Sunday upsets.

The last spot in this trial run came with St. Joseph's (Maine), WPI, Cortland, Stevens, Salisbury, Washington & Lee, Otterbein, Carroll, Loras and Redlands on the table for the last pick and I went with Salisbury.

Region 1 - Amherst, Tufts, Trinity (Conn.) (3)

Region 2 - Springfield, Babson (2)

Region 3 - (0)

Region 4 - (0)

Region 5 - Johns Hopkins, Catholic, Elizabethtown, Salisbury (4)

Region 6 - (0)

Region 7 - Trine, DePauw, John Carroll, Marietta (4)

Region 8 - Millikin (1)

Region 9 - UW-WW, Wartburg, UW-Oshkosh (3)

Region 10 - MHBU, East Texas Baptist, UC-Santa Cruz (3)

[Augie2020]

Man my head would be spinning after region 3!Keep up the great work.Who needs the NCAA(Lol).

[ronk]

 Hoping the bracket/pods selection doesn't go wild with the increase in max distance before flights to 600 miles. Just because one can be under 600 miles, doesn't mean it should. Probably half the field(Mideast to Northeast) could be a 5-hour bus ride max and still provide inter-regional competition within a pod. No reason to endure 11-hour bus trips in the winter for some "national" aspect to the bracket. I'm remembering Ron Rohn's Muhlenberg team being sent to Bowdoin(442 miles) about 10 years ago. No fun for anyone.

[Augie2020]

Remember Scranton played up at Bowdoin (The Polar Bear was awesome)also a beautiful campus!I guess sometimes they can't get around it!I have been to alot of Colleges and University's following the Lady Royals and Royals! I really liked that campus and Amherst and many more

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Updated through Saturday's games

Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C


Region 1           
1   Amherst   20-2   20-2
2   Tufts   20-3   20-3
3   Emmanuel    22-1   22-1
4   Trinity (Conn.)   16-5   17-5
5   Bates   15-7   15-7
6   St. Joseph's (Maine)   20-4   20-4
7   Husson   17-5   18-5
8   Maine Maritime   18-4   20-4
9   Framingham State   20-3   20-3
NR   SUNYIT

5 Bates vs 1 Amherst in NESCAC final tomorrow 12pm
6 St Joseph's (ME) vs 3 Emmanuel in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 2           
1   Smith   21-2   21-2
2   Springfield   21-3   21-3
3   Roger Williams   22-2   22-2
4   Babson   17-6   17-6
5   WPI   18-4   18-4
6   Rhode Island College   20-5   20-5
7   U. of New England   17-8   17-8
NR   Mitchell

4 Babson vs 1 Smith in NEWMAC final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 3           
1   Ithaca   22-3   22-3
2   St. John Fisher   23-2   23-2
3   Cortland   20-4   20-4
4   SUNY New Paltz   18-6   18-6
5   Hartwick   18-6   18-6
6   Rochester    15-9   15-9
7   Mt. St. Mary   21-3   21-3
8   Vassar   17-7   17-7

St Lawrence vs 1 Ithaca in LL final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 4           
1   NYU   21-1   21-1
2   DeSales   18-3   18-3
3   Stevens   17-6   17-6
4   Kean   17-6   17-6
5   Rowan   16-8   16-8
6   King's    16-7   16-8
7   Brooklyn   19-3   19-3
NR   Morrisville St
NR   New Jersey City

3 Stevens vs 2 DeSales in MACF final tomorrow 1pm

           
Region 5           
1   Scranton   23-2   23-2
2   Gettysburg   22-3   22-3
3   Messiah   20-3   20-3
4   Johns Hopkins   21-3   21-3
5   Elizabethtown   20-4   20-4
6   Catholic   19-4   19-4
7   Salisbury   17-5   19-5
8   York (Pa.)   19-5   19-5
9   Marymount    16-7   16-7
NR   Immaculata
NR   Clarks Summit

Widener vs 3 Messiah in MACC final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 6           
1   Christopher Newport   22-0   22-0
2   Rhodes   19-2   21-2
3   Washington and Lee   19-5   19-5
4   Mary Washington   16-8   17-8
5   Roanoke   20-5   20-5
6   Emory   15-8   15-8
7   Berea   18-4   20-5
8   Piedmont   20-5   20-5
NR   Southern Virginia
NR   ODAC Champ

Shenandoah vs Randolph-Macon in ODAC final tomorrow 3:30pm
2 Rhodes vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 7           
1   DePauw   22-2   22-2
2   Trine   22-2   22-2
3   Hope   21-1   23-1
4   John Carroll   20-3   20-3
5   Baldwin Wallace   18-4   18-4
6   Marietta   21-4   21-4
7   Otterbein   18-6   18-6
8   Calvin   18-7   18-7
9   Oberlin   20-3   20-3
10   Ohio Northern   16-7   16-7
NR   La Roche
NR   Wittenberg
NR   Washington & Jefferson

           
Region 8           
1   Transylvania   22-0   22-0
2   Wisconsin Lutheran   20-1   20-1
3   Millikin   20-5   20-5
4   Illinois Wesleyan   17-8   17-8
5   Carroll    18-6   18-6
6   Chicago   14-9   14-9
7   North Park   15-9   15-9
8   Wheaton (Ill.)   15-10   15-10
9   St. Norbert   17-7   17-7
NR   Webster

9 St Norbert vs 2 Wisconsin Lutheran in NACC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 9           
1   Simpson   23-1   23-1
2   UW-Whitewater   22-3   22-3
3   UW-Eau Claire   18-7   18-7
4   UW-Oshkosh   18-5   18-5
5   Wartburg   19-4   20-4
6   Loras   18-7   18-7
7   Bethany Lutheran   18-7   18-7
8   Northwestern (Minn.)   18-4   18-5
9   Augsburg   19-5   19-5
NR   Ripon
NR   UMAC Champ

Gustavus Adolphus vs 9 Augsburg in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Minnesota-Morris vs North Central (MN) in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 10           
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   21-3   21-3
2   Whitman   20-1   24-1
3   East Texas Baptist   19-4   19-4
4   Trinity (Texas)   23-2   23-2
5   Hardin-Simmons   18-4   18-4
6   Redlands   18-3   18-4
7   UC Santa Cruz   8-3   15-3
8   Puget Sound   17-4   20-4
NR   Whittier

Colorado College vs 4 Trinity in SCAC final tomorrow 3pm

[Riley Zayas]

Man my head would be spinning after region 3!Keep up the great work.Who needs the NCAA(Lol).

Haha, conference tournaments present a whole different element because that is where a lot of bid thieves come in. Quite a few regular season champions that did not win their conference tournaments today.

[ronk]

Remember Scranton played up at Bowdoin (The Polar Bear was awesome)also a beautiful campus!I guess sometimes they can't get around it!I have been to alot of Colleges and University's following the Lady Royals and Royals! I really liked that campus and Amherst and many more

That was the 2nd weekend(sectional); you expect traveling for the 2nd weekend because of fewer options; I was referring to the 1st weekend(regional).

[Augie2020]

Gotcha

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

Remember Scranton played up at Bowdoin (The Polar Bear was awesome)also a beautiful campus!I guess sometimes they can't get around it!I have been to alot of Colleges and University's following the Lady Royals and Royals! I really liked that campus and Amherst and many more

That was the 2nd weekend(sectional); you expect traveling for the 2nd weekend because of fewer options; I was referring to the 1st weekend(regional).

If you want a LONG 1st weekend travel, George Fox to Arlington VA was definitely an outlier and intentional by NCAA.  and then fly back again to Amherst before they cancelled 2020