Pool C

[Riley Zayas]

So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?

My thoughts exactly. That was the biggest surprise in my opinion. Don't know what Gettysburg or Marymount did to jump a team like ETown...numbers seem to favor ETown all the way.

[scottiedawg]

So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?

My thoughts exactly. That was the biggest surprise in my opinion. Don't know what Gettysburg or Marymount did to jump a team like ETown...numbers seem to favor ETown all the way.

Elizabethtown wins:
Common
WP
vRRO count

Marymount wins:
SOS

Neutral:
H2H

Marymount wins best vRRO win. This HAS to be doing some heavy lifting.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Regionally Ranked teams and their "progress":

--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs #7 Middlebury
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/25 vs #4 Williams
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- SF 2/23 vs Westfield St - postponed
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/23 vs Worcester St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- SF 2/25 @ #1 Tufts

--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Springfield
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs MIT
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/23 vs #7 Mass-Dartmouth
4 --- Eastern Connecticut  --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs Castleton
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/23 vs Western New England
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- SF 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College

--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs RPI
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Geneseo
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Oneota
4 --- Rochester  --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- 2/25 vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Elmira
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 Vassar
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore

--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- 2/24 vs Brandeis
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Stevens
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- F 2/25 A #5 New Jersey City
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan

--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Elizabethtown
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Alvernia
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Washington College
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs Cabrini
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Haverford
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown

--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- SF 2/24 vs TBD
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- QF 2/23 vs Mount Mary
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- QF 2/23 vs Ferrum
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- QF 2/23 vs Randolph
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- QF 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- QF 2/23 vs Roanoke

--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs Otterbein
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Albion
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/23 @ #2 Baldwin Wallace
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Calvin
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham

--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- SF 2/24 vs Bluffton
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs IWU
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs Carroll
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- SF 2/24 vs Mt St Joseph
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/23 vs Fontbonne

--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #3 UW Oshkosh
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs Simpson
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 UW Stout
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/23 vs Luther
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs St Benedict
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire

--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Mary Hardin-Baylor
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- SF 2/24 vs TBD

[Augie2020]

So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?

My thoughts exactly. That was the biggest surprise in my opinion. Don't know what Gettysburg or Marymount did to jump a team like ETown...numbers seem to favor ETown all the way.

I will never understand the way they pick is it by the whole criteria W/L ,S.O.S ,VRRO or is it throw darts and pick a team because they have a better S.O.S then team A or a Better W/L %.I have question on a couple more regions then because region 1,7,8,9 can all be in question then if we pick just on criteria like W/L%.Like For Instance Team A has a W/L of 25-0,S.O.S of .524 Vrro 2-0,Team B has 17-7 .628 S.O.S  vrro 8-2,Team C is 20-4 .590 S.O.S,vrro 5-4 In my eyes team b should be #1 in that region.Would that be right or wrong?Just like the Regiion 7 with ONU ,BW,Hope..Thanks for any info

[Augie2020]

Just trying to understand the committees way of putting g it together!!TY

[saratoga]

Augie:
I'm not sure the committee even fully understands what they should put more emphasis on for any degrees of separation.
They have Steps 1,2, & 3 to follow but it can get fuzzy pretty fast.
For the final & toughest picks by the committee, I suggest beer pong with tequila chasers followed by dart throwing.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Augie:
I'm not sure the committee even fully understands what they should put more emphasis on for any degrees of separation.
They have Steps 1,2, & 3 to follow but it can get fuzzy pretty fast.
For the final & toughest picks by the committee, I suggest beer pong with tequila chasers followed by dart throwing.

Been a few regions and/or years where I'd like them to end with dart catching

I know they have a tough job to do and I'm not claiming I would be any better at it than they are - it's just sometimes so @!#%)#&)#^&#%&* frustrating

[Augie2020]

Agree 100%.

[Augie2020]

Augie:
I'm not sure the committee even fully understands what they should put more emphasis on for any degrees of separation.
They have Steps 1,2, & 3 to follow but it can get fuzzy pretty fast.
For the final & toughest picks by the committee, I suggest beer pong with tequila chasers followed by dart throwing.

Thanks Saratoga lol

[Augie2020]

Just like Region 1 Tufts is ranked 1,Trinity(ct) 2.Tufts is 19-6,S.O.S .653 wp% .760,vrro 7-5,Trinity 21-4,S.O.S.618,wp.840%,vrro 8-3.I know exactly what they will say they have a better S.O.S ok I can take that but then go to a couple more Regions.So Region 8 Transylvania #1,WashU #2,Chicago#3.So break down these numbers Transylvania 25-0,S.O.S .524,wp% 1000,vrro 2-0,WashU 17-7,S.O.S.628,Wp%.708,vrro8-2,Chicago 20-4,S.O.S.590,wp% .833,vrro 5-4.So if we are going by S.O.S in Region 1 what are we going by in Region 8 W/L because Transylvania is down alot in S.O.S and vrro?

[saratoga]

I think...and don't hold me to this, that I heard the Women's Committee Chair state that not all regions can be held to the same or identical standards for varying reasons.
At that point, subjective viewpoints enter the conversation.

[Augie2020]

So just looked up some more information-This is right from the NCAA official web.Primary Criteria they use WP%(versus D3 team) Saratoga that has to hurt Desales then play 2 non d3 teams.SOS,VRRO,H2H and Results versus common opponents.This is from one body so im sure they all use the same.Scottiedawg so on that versus d3 teams does it hurt a team that plays 23 games rather then 25 like a Desales in the rankings or no?

[Augie2020]

Well Baldwin Wallace is taking a pool C away from someone by losing to Marietta 71-65

[scottiedawg]

Well Baldwin Wallace is taking a pool C away from someone by losing to Marietta 71-65

No bid thief IMO. I think BW, ONU, and Marietta were all in anyway. Same number of bids taken up.

[scottiedawg]

So just looked up some more information-This is right from the NCAA official web.Primary Criteria they use WP%(versus D3 team) Saratoga that has to hurt Desales then play 2 non d3 teams.SOS,VRRO,H2H and Results versus common opponents.This is from one body so im sure they all use the same.Scottiedawg so on that versus d3 teams does it hurt a team that plays 23 games rather then 25 like a Desales in the rankings or no?

It just means your math is made up of fewer games. Doesn't change much.

(unless you're UC Santa Cruz playing < 20 D3 games last year)